Concerning Doctrines

[Dryhn]

You have to perform trust in God. I don't like your definition of 'performance' but it is in quotes.

You have to perform trust in God.
Trust is a mind thing
Can you open a door with your mind ? No, you use "performance' to do that

1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 is how we are saved, justified & HS sealed

 

[dak]

In a short sentence, what is required of dak so that dak can enter Heaven ?

Which heaven?

Deuteronomy 11:18-21 KJV
18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
20 And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
21 That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.

And for those whose days have been multiplied, as the days of the heavens upon the earth: the days have been abbreviated, (or no flesh would be saved), for the sacred calendar day of the Torah consists of the seven yamim-hours in a twelve-hour full yom day. For example, in 180 yom-days there are 1260 yom-hours: a yom is a yom and the yom hour and the full yom day are both accounted as the same in the Testimony of the Meshiah, (see the parable of the workers in the vineyard: the full yom day is worth a denarius, and the final hour of the day is also worth a denarius). And this is the sacred calendar day from the very beginning, Gen 1:1 -> Gen 2:4, seven yamim in a yom, and the seventh yom-hour of the day is the Shabbat hour and oblation. And this is the base unit of time in the scripture, (the yom-hour), and there are therefore both seven-hour weeks, (one in each full yom-day), and seven-day weeks, (seven full twelve-hour days based on the foundational hour unit of time), for the opening creation account is Spoken Word creation: if you can read it in a half hour then it did not take seven full 24-hour days for Elohim to speak it.



So for the one whose days have been multiplied, as the days of the heavens upon the earth, the same shall be a child at full conversion, 98-100 years according to this accounting, and the 98 count is fourteen years of abridged/multiplied sacred calendar yamim-hours, (the 98 are two shmittah cycles, 2*49, and the one hundred is including the two yoblim, 2*50).

14 years *364 full yom-days *7 yamim hours in a day = 35,672.
35,672/98 = 364

2 Corinthians 12:1-4
1 I must needs glory, though it is not expedient: but I will come to visions and revelations of the Master.
2 I knew a man prior to fourteen years in Meshiah: (whether in the body, I know not, or whether out of the body, I know not, Elohim knows), such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
3 Also I know such a one, a man, (whether in the body, or apart from the body, I know not: Elohim knows),
4 that he was caught up into the Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Galatians 2:1-2
1 Then after the space of fourteen years I went up again to Yerushalem with Barnabas, taking Titus also with me.
2 But I went up by revelation, and I laid before them the gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately, before them who were of repute, lest by any means I should be running, or had run, in vain.

Isaiah 65:17-20 TS2009
17 “For look, I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, nor come to heart.
18 “But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; for look, I create Yerushalayim a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 “And I shall rejoice in Yerushalayim, and shall joy in My people, and let the voice of weeping no more be heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 “No more is an infant from there going to live but a few days, nor an old man who does not complete his days, for the youth dies one hundred years old, but the sinner being one hundred years old shall be lightly esteemed.

So when the youth or child in Meshiah dies at a hundred years it is fourteen years in earth time, and it is likened to a Bar Mitzvah: the youth or child is gone, for he became a matured man in Meshiah. But the sinner at a hundred years is lightly esteemed: least in the kingdom of the heavens, as likewise in Matt 5:19.

Sorry, I have a difficult time with short sentences.
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[MonoBiblical]

Which heaven?

Deuteronomy 11:18-21 KJV
18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
20 And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
21 That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.

And for those whose days have been multiplied, as the days of the heavens upon the earth: the days have been abbreviated, (or no flesh would be saved), for the sacred calendar day of the Torah consists of the seven yamim-hours in a twelve-hour full yom day. For example, in 180 yom-days there are 1260 yom-hours: a yom is a yom and the yom hour and the full yom day are both accounted as the same in the Testimony of the Meshiah, (see the parable of the workers in the vineyard: the full yom day is worth a denarius, and the final hour of the day is also worth a denarius). And this is the sacred calendar day from the very beginning, Gen 1:1 -> Gen 2:4, seven yamim in a yom, and the seventh yom-hour of the day is the Shabbat hour and oblation. And this is the base unit of time in the scripture, (the yom-hour), and there are therefore both seven-hour weeks, (one in each full yom-day), and seven-day weeks, (seven full twelve-hour days based on the foundational hour unit of time), for the opening creation account is Spoken Word creation: if you can read it in a half hour then it did not take seven full 24-hour days for Elohim to speak it.

View attachment 93111

So for the one whose days have been multiplied, as the days of the heavens upon the earth, the same shall be a child at full conversion, 98-100 years according to this accounting, and the 98 count is fourteen years of abridged/multiplied sacred calendar yamim-hours, (the 98 are two shmittah cycles, 2*49, and the one hundred is including the two yoblim, 2*50).

14 years *364 full yom-days *7 yamim hours in a day = 35,672.
35,672/98 = 364

2 Corinthians 12:1-4
1 I must needs glory, though it is not expedient: but I will come to visions and revelations of the Master.
2 I knew a man prior to fourteen years in Meshiah: (whether in the body, I know not, or whether out of the body, I know not, Elohim knows), such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
3 Also I know such a one, a man, (whether in the body, or apart from the body, I know not: Elohim knows),
4 that he was caught up into the Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Galatians 2:1-2
1 Then after the space of fourteen years I went up again to Yerushalem with Barnabas, taking Titus also with me.
2 But I went up by revelation, and I laid before them the gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately, before them who were of repute, lest by any means I should be running, or had run, in vain.

Isaiah 65:17-20 TS2009
17 “For look, I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, nor come to heart.
18 “But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; for look, I create Yerushalayim a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 “And I shall rejoice in Yerushalayim, and shall joy in My people, and let the voice of weeping no more be heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 “No more is an infant from there going to live but a few days, nor an old man who does not complete his days, for the youth dies one hundred years old, but the sinner being one hundred years old shall be lightly esteemed.

So when the youth or child in Meshiah dies at a hundred years it is fourteen years in earth time, and it is likened to a Bar Mitzvah: the youth or child is gone, for he became a matured man in Meshiah. But the sinner at a hundred years is lightly esteemed: least in the kingdom of the heavens, as likewise in Matt 5:19.

Sorry, I have a difficult time with short sentences.
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Ha Ha Ha, a sundial that works all year round. Pathetic, and undoable.

 

[Dryhn]

Which heaven?

Deuteronomy 11:18-21 KJV
18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
20 And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
21 That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.

And for those whose days have been multiplied, as the days of the heavens upon the earth: the days have been abbreviated, (or no flesh would be saved), for the sacred calendar day of the Torah consists of the seven yamim-hours in a twelve-hour full yom day. For example, in 180 yom-days there are 1260 yom-hours: a yom is a yom and the yom hour and the full yom day are both accounted as the same in the Testimony of the Meshiah, (see the parable of the workers in the vineyard: the full yom day is worth a denarius, and the final hour of the day is also worth a denarius). And this is the sacred calendar day from the very beginning, Gen 1:1 -> Gen 2:4, seven yamim in a yom, and the seventh yom-hour of the day is the Shabbat hour and oblation. And this is the base unit of time in the scripture, (the yom-hour), and there are therefore both seven-hour weeks, (one in each full yom-day), and seven-day weeks, (seven full twelve-hour days based on the foundational hour unit of time), for the opening creation account is Spoken Word creation: if you can read it in a half hour then it did not take seven full 24-hour days for Elohim to speak it.

View attachment 93111

So for the one whose days have been multiplied, as the days of the heavens upon the earth, the same shall be a child at full conversion, 98-100 years according to this accounting, and the 98 count is fourteen years of abridged/multiplied sacred calendar yamim-hours, (the 98 are two shmittah cycles, 2*49, and the one hundred is including the two yoblim, 2*50).

14 years *364 full yom-days *7 yamim hours in a day = 35,672.
35,672/98 = 364

2 Corinthians 12:1-4
1 I must needs glory, though it is not expedient: but I will come to visions and revelations of the Master.
2 I knew a man prior to fourteen years in Meshiah: (whether in the body, I know not, or whether out of the body, I know not, Elohim knows), such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
3 Also I know such a one, a man, (whether in the body, or apart from the body, I know not: Elohim knows),
4 that he was caught up into the Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Galatians 2:1-2
1 Then after the space of fourteen years I went up again to Yerushalem with Barnabas, taking Titus also with me.
2 But I went up by revelation, and I laid before them the gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately, before them who were of repute, lest by any means I should be running, or had run, in vain.

Isaiah 65:17-20 TS2009
17 “For look, I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, nor come to heart.
18 “But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; for look, I create Yerushalayim a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 “And I shall rejoice in Yerushalayim, and shall joy in My people, and let the voice of weeping no more be heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 “No more is an infant from there going to live but a few days, nor an old man who does not complete his days, for the youth dies one hundred years old, but the sinner being one hundred years old shall be lightly esteemed.

So when the youth or child in Meshiah dies at a hundred years it is fourteen years in earth time, and it is likened to a Bar Mitzvah: the youth or child is gone, for he became a matured man in Meshiah. But the sinner at a hundred years is lightly esteemed: least in the kingdom of the heavens, as likewise in Matt 5:19.

Sorry, I have a difficult time with short sentences.
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The Heaven that Paul talks about :)

According to the teachings of Jesus VIA Paul

What is required of dak so that dak can enter Heaven as spoken of by Christ via Paul

Take your time :)

 

[Dryhn]

Which heaven?

Deuteronomy 11:18-21 KJV
18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
19 And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
20 And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates:
21 That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.

And for those whose days have been multiplied, as the days of the heavens upon the earth: the days have been abbreviated, (or no flesh would be saved), for the sacred calendar day of the Torah consists of the seven yamim-hours in a twelve-hour full yom day. For example, in 180 yom-days there are 1260 yom-hours: a yom is a yom and the yom hour and the full yom day are both accounted as the same in the Testimony of the Meshiah, (see the parable of the workers in the vineyard: the full yom day is worth a denarius, and the final hour of the day is also worth a denarius). And this is the sacred calendar day from the very beginning, Gen 1:1 -> Gen 2:4, seven yamim in a yom, and the seventh yom-hour of the day is the Shabbat hour and oblation. And this is the base unit of time in the scripture, (the yom-hour), and there are therefore both seven-hour weeks, (one in each full yom-day), and seven-day weeks, (seven full twelve-hour days based on the foundational hour unit of time), for the opening creation account is Spoken Word creation: if you can read it in a half hour then it did not take seven full 24-hour days for Elohim to speak it.

View attachment 93111

So for the one whose days have been multiplied, as the days of the heavens upon the earth, the same shall be a child at full conversion, 98-100 years according to this accounting, and the 98 count is fourteen years of abridged/multiplied sacred calendar yamim-hours, (the 98 are two shmittah cycles, 2*49, and the one hundred is including the two yoblim, 2*50).

14 years *364 full yom-days *7 yamim hours in a day = 35,672.
35,672/98 = 364

2 Corinthians 12:1-4
1 I must needs glory, though it is not expedient: but I will come to visions and revelations of the Master.
2 I knew a man prior to fourteen years in Meshiah: (whether in the body, I know not, or whether out of the body, I know not, Elohim knows), such a one was caught up to the third heaven.
3 Also I know such a one, a man, (whether in the body, or apart from the body, I know not: Elohim knows),
4 that he was caught up into the Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Galatians 2:1-2
1 Then after the space of fourteen years I went up again to Yerushalem with Barnabas, taking Titus also with me.
2 But I went up by revelation, and I laid before them the gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately, before them who were of repute, lest by any means I should be running, or had run, in vain.

Isaiah 65:17-20 TS2009
17 “For look, I am creating new heavens and a new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, nor come to heart.
18 “But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; for look, I create Yerushalayim a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 “And I shall rejoice in Yerushalayim, and shall joy in My people, and let the voice of weeping no more be heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 “No more is an infant from there going to live but a few days, nor an old man who does not complete his days, for the youth dies one hundred years old, but the sinner being one hundred years old shall be lightly esteemed.

So when the youth or child in Meshiah dies at a hundred years it is fourteen years in earth time, and it is likened to a Bar Mitzvah: the youth or child is gone, for he became a matured man in Meshiah. But the sinner at a hundred years is lightly esteemed: least in the kingdom of the heavens, as likewise in Matt 5:19.

Sorry, I have a difficult time with short sentences.
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Easy questions don't require long responses unless there is an intention to deceive

 

[dak]

Ha Ha Ha, a sundial that works all year round. Pathetic, and undoable.

False. The dial only needs to be reversed at the proper time of year. The Kohanim carried small handheld versions which could be placed on window ledges, gate posts, etc., so that they might know the timing of the offerings at the temple and other important appointed times. One of these mini sundials was recovered from a rubbish pile at the temple site a few years back.





Qumran Horizontal Sundial


Moreover the only purpose for the sundial image I posted is to help one understand the PATTERN for both the civil and the sacred calendar days. It is the pattern that counts: for we are not to serve the sun or the moon according to the Torah, although observing a sundial is not doing so because one is not looking up observing the sun, but rather observing a shadow produced onto a dial, yet observing the moon to start your months on a lunisolar calendar is surely paganism brought back from Babylon.

The Master has shown me the pattern by the sundial: but only the pattern for the day is what counts, for there is no darkness or night in the new creation new heavens and new earth. Whenever I awaken, no matter what time I went to sleep or what time it is when I awaken: the top of the hour following that waking time is Yom haRishon, the first hour of the civil calendar day, and the pattern follows without any need for a sundial. Once I was shown the pattern, I have no need of a sundial, and I do offer my daily prayer oblations in their appointed times according to the pattern for the sacred calendar day.

 

[dak]

Easy questions don't require long responses unless there is an intention to deceive

Or, contrarily, difficult things that take years of prayer, faithful scripture study, patience, and learning, are most rejected by those who have no skin in the game and seek to deceive by asking easy-peasy gotcha questions. These same so-called Christian Zionists and hyperdispensationists utterly reject the teachings of Paul while they hijack his words, strip them from their contexts, removing the Logos of Elohim within his words, all so that they can then insert their own logos into his writings for their own purposes.

Do you agree? Yes or No?

 

[dak]

The Heaven that Paul talks about :)

According to the teachings of Jesus VIA Paul

What is required of dak so that dak can enter Heaven as spoken of by Christ via Paul

Take your time :)

I did actually give you a short sentence for an answer in the form of a question, saying, "Which heaven?", but you have still not answered my question, for now you say, "the Heaven that Paul talks about". I already posted the passage from Paul where he speaks of his own catching away into the third heaven and the Paradise: did you not read that portion of my post? Why can you not be more specific about your request? Paul mentions heaven in quite a few different contexts.

How about this: please quote the passage where Paul says what you claim, and explains what Dryhn must do to enter heaven.

I would end here according to your response to me above: "take your time", but it appears that you are already doing so of your own accord. :)

 

[Dryhn]

I did actually give you a short sentence for an answer in the form of a question, saying, "Which heaven?", but you have still not answered my question, for now you say, "the Heaven that Paul talks about". I already posted the passage from Paul where he speaks of his own catching away into the third heaven and the Paradise: did you not read that portion of my post? Why can you not be more specific about your request? Paul mentions heaven in quite a few different contexts.

How about this: please quote the passage where Paul says what you claim, and explains what Dryhn must do to enter heaven.

I would end here according to your response to me above: "take your time", but it appears that you are already doing so of your own accord. :)

Please answer the first request :)
In a short sentence, what is required of dak so that dak can enter Heaven ?

 

[dak]

Please answer the first request :)
In a short sentence, what is required of dak so that dak can enter Heaven ?

I did answer you in a short sentence already, as I just said again previously above: WHICH HEAVEN?

Why are you ignoring my responses? I also explained that Paul speaks of heaven in quite a few different contexts. I also stated again that I quoted the passage from Paul where he was caught up to the third heaven and to the Paradise: that therefore has now not only been quoted but your were reminded of that fact in a secondary post. Do you not know that we who are immersed into Meshiah are immersed into his death? (Rom 6:3)?

Do you not know that the Gospel now called Luke is for all intents and purposes the Gospel of Paul? In which Gospel account do we read of the sinner on the stake asking for the Meshiah to remember him in his kingdom? That is of course the Gospel of Luke which is the Gospel of Paul.

Luke 23:39-43 ASV
39 And one of the malefactors that were hanged railed on him, saying, Art not thou the Christ? save thyself and us.
40 But the other answered, and rebuking him said, Dost thou not even fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
42 And he said, Jesus, remember me when thou comest in thy kingdom.
43 And he said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To-day shalt thou be with me in Paradise.

Why is Paul's Gospel the only one to mention the Paradise in this portion of the passion narrative? I say to you that Shaul the old man is the curser and blasphemer on the left hand side, (third heaven), while Paul the new man is the one on the right hand side who enters into the Paradise with and in Meshiah.

You do not understand the vision-revelation given in 2Cor 12:1-4 even though it is given by Paul for the benefit of us all, for it applies to us all, you simply have not arrived there yet. And if you say it does not apply to you then you make Paul a liar because, if it does not apply to us, then Paul is just boasting: which is the complete opposite of what he states and warns.

We are commanded to take up our own stake and follow the Master, and our old man is to be crucified with the Master, and our immersion into the water of the Word, (his Testimony), is therefore an immersion into his death. If you do not believe and do these things then how can you ever expect to be caught up, (harpazo), or "raptured", as Paul was in this his vision-revelation of 2Cor 12:1-4 which he has shared with you and all who read and study his teachings and writings?

Be not deceived: Paul teaches the commandments of the Master just as he states, (1Cor 14:37). Either take up your stake and follow Meshiah or keep your old man nature with you and die with him, (he is as Judas the betrayer, completely carnal minded, and is called the son of perdition by the Master himself). Your soul is at stake and you refuse to even be grafted into the olive tree of Yisrael, thinking you get to remain a gentile for the rest of your life.
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[Dryhn]

I did answer you in a short sentence already, as I just said again previously above: WHICH HEAVEN?

Why are you ignoring my responses? I also explained that Paul speaks of heaven in quite a few different contexts. I also stated again that I quoted the passage from Paul where he was caught up to the third heaven and to the Paradise: that therefore has now not only been quoted but your were reminded of that fact in a secondary post. Do you not know that we who are immersed into Meshiah are immersed into his death? (Rom 6:3)?

Do you not know that the Gospel now called Luke is for all intents and purposes the Gospel of Paul? In which Gospel account do we read of the sinner on the stake asking for the Meshiah to remember him in his kingdom? That is of course the Gospel of Luke which is the Gospel of Paul.

Luke 23:39-43 ASV
39 And one of the malefactors that were hanged railed on him, saying, Art not thou the Christ? save thyself and us.
40 But the other answered, and rebuking him said, Dost thou not even fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
42 And he said, Jesus, remember me when thou comest in thy kingdom.
43 And he said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To-day shalt thou be with me in Paradise.

Why is Paul's Gospel the only one to mention the Paradise in this portion of the passion narrative? I say to you that Shaul the old man is the curser and blasphemer on the left hand side, (third heaven), while Paul the new man is the one on the right hand side who enters into the Paradise with and in Meshiah.

You do not understand the vision-revelation given in 2Cor 12:1-4 even though it is given by Paul for the benefit of us all, for it applies to us all, you simply have not arrived there yet. And if you say it does not apply to you then you make Paul a liar because, if it does not apply to us, then Paul is just boasting: which is the complete opposite of what he states and warns.

We are commanded to take up our own stake and follow the Master, and our old man is to be crucified with the Master, and our immersion into the water of the Word, (his Testimony), is therefore an immersion into his death. If you do not believe and do these things then how can you ever expect to be caught up, (harpazo), or "raptured", as Paul was in this his vision-revelation of 2Cor 12:1-4 which he has shared with you and all who read and study his teachings and writings?

Be not deceived: Paul teaches the commandments of the Master just as he states, (1Cor 14:37). Either take up your stake and follow Meshiah or keep your old man nature with you and die with him, (he is as Judas the betrayer, completely carnal minded, and is called the son of perdition by the Master himself). Your soul is at stake and you refuse to even be grafted into the olive tree of Yisrael, thinking you get to remain a gentile for the rest of your life. View attachment 93171
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1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 is what is expected of dak for dak to enter Heaven
Nothing else, nothing more

 

[Dryhn]

This response will unfortunately need to be offered in two parts.

Regarding 1Cor 15:1-4 — Addressed quite a while back now in the thread called "Paul's Gospel", from which the following below is the opening post at the very beginning of that thread.

Paul's Gospel

In 1Cor 11:23 Paul says, "For I received of the Master that which I also delivered unto you", meaning that he delivered to them what he himself had received, and then he quotes directly word for word verbatim from the Gospel account which we know as Luke. 1 Corinthians 11:23-25 ASV 23 For I...

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In 1Cor 11:23 Paul says, "For I received of the Master that which I also delivered unto you", meaning that he delivered to them what he himself had received, and then he quotes directly word for word verbatim from the Gospel account which we know as Luke.

1 Corinthians 11:23-25 ASV
23 For I received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was betrayed took bread; [Luke 22:19a]
24 and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, This is my body, which is for you: this do in remembrance of me. [Luke 22:19]
25 In like manner also the cup, after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood: [Luke 22:a-b] this do, as often as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Luke 22:19-20 ASV
19 And he took bread, [1Cor 11:23b] and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and gave to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [1Cor 11:24]
20 And the cup in like manner after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, [1Cor 11:25a-b] even that which is poured out for you.

This passage from Luke 22:19-20 was given to Paul, according to his own testimony, and he says he also delivered it to the Corinthians: that is surely speaking of a writing, and the writing is the Gospel account we now know as Luke, (or at least an extremely similar account from a little earlier time), and this is obvious from the quote of Luke 22:19-20 found in this epistle to the Corinthians. Paul then says the same again, later in the same epistle.

1 Corinthians 14:36 ASV
36 What? was it from you that the word of God went forth? or came it unto you alone?

The Word of Elohim had come to them: the Gospel account we now know as Luke.

1 Corinthians 14:37-38
37 If any man thinketh himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him take knowledge of the things which I write unto you, that they are the commandment(s) of the Lord.
38 But if any man is ignorant, let him be ignorant.

The things Paul writes to them concern the commandments of the Master, and he is reminding them that he speaks of that which he had received, which he had also delivered unto them: the Gospel account we know as Luke. And the next chapter is still the same passage, and thus the same context, and he reminds them again therein that he had delivered unto them what he himself had also received: the Gospel account now known as Luke.

1 Corinthians 15:1-8 ASV
1 Now I make known unto you brethren, the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye received, wherein also ye stand,
2 by which also ye are saved, if ye hold fast the word which I preached unto you, except ye believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which also I received: that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; [(writings) Gospel of Luke]
4 and that he was buried; and that he hath been raised on the third day according to the scriptures; [(writings) Gospel of Luke]
5 and that he appeared to Cephas; [Luke 24:34] then to the twelve; ["the Eleven", Luke 24:33, proven at this link]
6 then he appeared to above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain until now, but some are fallen asleep;
7 then he appeared to James; then to all the apostles;
8 and last of all, as to the child untimely born, he appeared to me also.

Therefore it is imperative that one understands where Paul, (Shaul at that point), did indeed receive what he had also later delivered to his congregations, obviously including also the Galatians according to what he writes to them in Gal 3:1, (as will be shown below). Where did Paul receive his Gospel? He received it immediately upon his initial conversion, right after the appearance of the Master to him near Damascus, and it was given to him by Hananyah, (Ananias), when Hananyah was commanded by the Master to seek out Shaul, and go lay the Power upon him so that he might receive sight.

All one needs to be able to understand this is to understand that the word hand in Hebrew-Biblical thought represents power. Hananyah did not necessarily lay his own physical hands on Paul, and the Greek text does not say that, it rather says he laid the hands, not his hands, upon Shaul, (Acts 9:12, Acts 9:17). So Hananyah laid the Power upon Shaul, and the Power is the Word, and therefore surely the Testimony of the Master in the Gospel accounts in this case: for Shaul already knew the rest of the scripture found in the Hebrew scriptures, but was blind to what they truly teach and preach, and it is the Testimony of the Master which expounds all things of the Torah, Prophets, and Writings in the Hebrew scriptures.

Hananyah gave Shaul a record of what has now come to be known as the Gospel of Luke. And when Hananyah did so, what then was it which he admonished Shaul to do? Hananyah admonished Shaul to arise and be immersed, (Acts 22:16). Immerse in what? Immersion is not literal water immersion: Biblical immersion is immersion into the Word of Elohim. Thus Shaul went into Arabia, (for six months, but that is another line of discussion), and he immersed in the Gospel which Hananyah had laid upon him: the Power of Elohim, the Word of Elohim, and in this case it was the Gospel we now know as Luke by way of the quote we have from that Gospel account in 1Cor 11:23-25.

Now therefore the Galatians, according to Gal 3:1, had indeed begun in the Spirit, which is the Testimony of the Master, which is Spirit, (John 6:63), for Paul had delivered unto the Galatians that which he himself had also received, just as he says he did with the Corinthians.

The passage actually tells us that the Galatians had a Gospel account in their possession, no doubt given to them by Paul, which is assuredly the Gospel we now know as Luke, being quoted from and expounded in 1Cor 11:23-26, 1Cor 14:37-38, and on through 1Cor 15:1-6. This is why Paul says to the Galatians:

Galatians 3:1
1 ω ανοητοι γαλαται τις υμας εβασκανεν οις κατ οφθαλμους ιησους χριστος προεγραφη εσταυρωμενος

προεγραφη = written before(hand)

Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries
G4270 προγράφω prographo (pro-gra'-fō) v.
1. to write previously.
2. (figuratively) to announce, prescribe.
[from G4253 and G1125]
KJV: before ordain, evidently set forth, write (afore, aforetime)
Root(s): G4253, G1125

Paul is reminding the Galatians of a literal Gospel account which they had received from him. The Galatians were not at Golgotha to have seen the crucifixion for themselves, with their own eyes: that rather came by the message and the Gospel account which Paul had delivered unto them.

Galatians 3:1 LSV (Literal Standard Version)
1 O thoughtless Galatians, who bewitched you, not to obey the truth—before whose eyes [it] was previously written [about] Jesus Christ having been crucified?

They had received and had read/studied the writing, a Gospel account full of the Testimony of the Master, ("Paul's Gospel", a.k.a. "Luke"), and thus he says in the above statement, "before whose eyes it was previously written". And if testimony is spirit, and it is, (whether for the good or whether for the evil), then this is where they had received the Spirit because the Testimony of the Meshiah in the Gospel accounts, (John 6:63), is the new Spirit of the new-renewed covenant, (Eze 11:19-20, Eze 36:26-27).
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Your waffling dak, take it to someone who can be easily fooled

 

[dak]

This response will unfortunately need to be offered in two parts.

Regarding 1Cor 15:1-4 — Addressed quite a while back now in the thread called "Paul's Gospel", from which the following below is the opening post at the very beginning of that thread.

Paul's Gospel

In 1Cor 11:23 Paul says, "For I received of the Master that which I also delivered unto you", meaning that he delivered to them what he himself had received, and then he quotes directly word for word verbatim from the Gospel account which we know as Luke. 1 Corinthians 11:23-25 ASV 23 For I...

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In 1Cor 11:23 Paul says, "For I received of the Master that which I also delivered unto you", meaning that he delivered to them what he himself had received, and then he quotes directly word for word verbatim from the Gospel account which we know as Luke.

1 Corinthians 11:23-25 ASV
23 For I received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was betrayed took bread; [Luke 22:19a]
24 and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, This is my body, which is for you: this do in remembrance of me. [Luke 22:19]
25 In like manner also the cup, after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood: [Luke 22:a-b] this do, as often as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Luke 22:19-20 ASV
19 And he took bread, [1Cor 11:23b] and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and gave to them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [1Cor 11:24]
20 And the cup in like manner after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, [1Cor 11:25a-b] even that which is poured out for you.

This passage from Luke 22:19-20 was given to Paul, according to his own testimony, and he says he also delivered it to the Corinthians: that is surely speaking of a writing, and the writing is the Gospel account we now know as Luke, (or at least an extremely similar account from a little earlier time), and this is obvious from the quote of Luke 22:19-20 found in this epistle to the Corinthians. Paul then says the same again, later in the same epistle.

1 Corinthians 14:36 ASV
36 What? was it from you that the word of God went forth? or came it unto you alone?

The Word of Elohim had come to them: the Gospel account we now know as Luke.

1 Corinthians 14:37-38
37 If any man thinketh himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him take knowledge of the things which I write unto you, that they are the commandment(s) of the Lord.
38 But if any man is ignorant, let him be ignorant.

The things Paul writes to them concern the commandments of the Master, and he is reminding them that he speaks of that which he had received, which he had also delivered unto them: the Gospel account we know as Luke. And the next chapter is still the same passage, and thus the same context, and he reminds them again therein that he had delivered unto them what he himself had also received: the Gospel account now known as Luke.

1 Corinthians 15:1-8 ASV
1 Now I make known unto you brethren, the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye received, wherein also ye stand,
2 by which also ye are saved, if ye hold fast the word which I preached unto you, except ye believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which also I received: that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; [(writings) Gospel of Luke]
4 and that he was buried; and that he hath been raised on the third day according to the scriptures; [(writings) Gospel of Luke]
5 and that he appeared to Cephas; [Luke 24:34] then to the twelve; ["the Eleven", Luke 24:33, proven at this link]
6 then he appeared to above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain until now, but some are fallen asleep;
7 then he appeared to James; then to all the apostles;
8 and last of all, as to the child untimely born, he appeared to me also.

Therefore it is imperative that one understands where Paul, (Shaul at that point), did indeed receive what he had also later delivered to his congregations, obviously including also the Galatians according to what he writes to them in Gal 3:1, (as will be shown below). Where did Paul receive his Gospel? He received it immediately upon his initial conversion, right after the appearance of the Master to him near Damascus, and it was given to him by Hananyah, (Ananias), when Hananyah was commanded by the Master to seek out Shaul, and go lay the Power upon him so that he might receive sight.

All one needs to be able to understand this is to understand that the word hand in Hebrew-Biblical thought represents power. Hananyah did not necessarily lay his own physical hands on Paul, and the Greek text does not say that, it rather says he laid the hands, not his hands, upon Shaul, (Acts 9:12, Acts 9:17). So Hananyah laid the Power upon Shaul, and the Power is the Word, and therefore surely the Testimony of the Master in the Gospel accounts in this case: for Shaul already knew the rest of the scripture found in the Hebrew scriptures, but was blind to what they truly teach and preach, and it is the Testimony of the Master which expounds all things of the Torah, Prophets, and Writings in the Hebrew scriptures.

Hananyah gave Shaul a record of what has now come to be known as the Gospel of Luke. And when Hananyah did so, what then was it which he admonished Shaul to do? Hananyah admonished Shaul to arise and be immersed, (Acts 22:16). Immerse in what? Immersion is not literal water immersion: Biblical immersion is immersion into the Word of Elohim. Thus Shaul went into Arabia, (for six months, but that is another line of discussion), and he immersed in the Gospel which Hananyah had laid upon him: the Power of Elohim, the Word of Elohim, and in this case it was the Gospel we now know as Luke by way of the quote we have from that Gospel account in 1Cor 11:23-25.

Now therefore the Galatians, according to Gal 3:1, had indeed begun in the Spirit, which is the Testimony of the Master, which is Spirit, (John 6:63), for Paul had delivered unto the Galatians that which he himself had also received, just as he says he did with the Corinthians.

The passage actually tells us that the Galatians had a Gospel account in their possession, no doubt given to them by Paul, which is assuredly the Gospel we now know as Luke, being quoted from and expounded in 1Cor 11:23-26, 1Cor 14:37-38, and on through 1Cor 15:1-6. This is why Paul says to the Galatians:

Galatians 3:1
1 ω ανοητοι γαλαται τις υμας εβασκανεν οις κατ οφθαλμους ιησους χριστος προεγραφη εσταυρωμενος

προεγραφη = written before(hand)

Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries
G4270 προγράφω prographo (pro-gra'-fō) v.
1. to write previously.
2. (figuratively) to announce, prescribe.
[from G4253 and G1125]
KJV: before ordain, evidently set forth, write (afore, aforetime)
Root(s): G4253, G1125

Paul is reminding the Galatians of a literal Gospel account which they had received from him. The Galatians were not at Golgotha to have seen the crucifixion for themselves, with their own eyes: that rather came by the message and the Gospel account which Paul had delivered unto them.

Galatians 3:1 LSV (Literal Standard Version)
1 O thoughtless Galatians, who bewitched you, not to obey the truth—before whose eyes [it] was previously written [about] Jesus Christ having been crucified?

They had received and had read/studied the writing, a Gospel account full of the Testimony of the Master, ("Paul's Gospel", a.k.a. "Luke"), and thus he says in the above statement, "before whose eyes it was previously written". And if testimony is spirit, and it is, (whether for the good or whether for the evil), then this is where they had received the Spirit because the Testimony of the Meshiah in the Gospel accounts, (John 6:63), is the new Spirit of the new-renewed covenant, (Eze 11:19-20, Eze 36:26-27).
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[dak]

Regarding Ephesians 1:13 — The following quote from "Paul's Gospel", (Reply #198) is just as relevant here in this thread with you as it was the day I posted it to another hyperdispensationalist.

Paul's Gospel

Read back and show me where I ever said any such thing. Your straw man is dead and now you are forced to lie. More false accusations. I apply every covenant to myself in the Master: each covenant has its purpose, and they overlap, and nothing is done away with, or sidelined, or superseded, or...

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Ephesians 1:12-14 KJV
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

What I have said is basically straight from this statement also: but I don't confine myself only to the writings of Paul, for Paul must also agree with every one else who penned holy writ by the holy Spirit of the Father upon them. If you read Paul in a vacuum you end up making up your own meanings for the things he writes about.

In the above there is the time when one first believes, and is sealed with the holy Spirit of the Promise, but that is not the end all because Paul states that it is the earnest of our inheritance, (which is not much different than earnest money on a house to show that the purchaser is serious about purchasing the house at a later date). In this case you are the house, (temple of the holy Spirit, temple of Elohim), and the day of the coming redemption of the purchased possession (you) is in the future from the time that you first believed and were sealed with the holy Spirit of the Promise.

The Testimony of the Master is Spirit and Life, (again, John 6:63, his words are his Testimony), and likewise also the Spirit of Grace, (see above), and therefore Paul was indeed very likely handing out his Gospel account, (which he calls "my Gospel", which we now know as "Luke", see the OP and what follows), and if so then surely he was handing it out together with the Acts 15 letter from the apostles and brethren at Yerushalem. Thus the earnest, which is in other places also called the earnest of the Spirit, (2Cor 1:22, 2Cor 5:5), is the all-important Testimony of the Meshiah.

Moreover the second reference above, 2Cor 5:5, leads into a discussion about the Bema:

2 Corinthians 5:5-11 KJV
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Understand that the final verse quoted, "Knowing therefore the terror of the Master, we persuade men", is Paul straightforwardly telling you that he had already been to the Bema, and thus it happens in this life, not after your carcass dies off, (physical death of the physical body). The only question at the moment is are you a mere dispensationist or a full blown hyper dispy? It's a terrible scourge foisted upon the modern mainstream church.
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[dak]

Your waffling dak, take it to someone who can be easily fooled

Just as I said previously above: hyper dispy's utterly deny the teachings and writings of Paul.

 

[Dryhn]

Just as I said previously above: hyper dispy's utterly deny the teachings and writings of Paul.

Your nonsense is of no interest to me

 

[dak]

Your nonsense is of no interest to me

Do you believe that all of the teachings of the Meshiah in the Gospel of Luke apply to you?

Yes or No?

 

[Dryhn]

Do you believe that all of the teachings of the Meshiah in the Gospel of Luke apply to you?

Yes or No?

The teachings of Jesus that apply to how we today will enter Heaven tomorrow are taught by the Apostle He selected
Acts 9:15
Rom 11:13
Rom 15:16
1 Tm 2:7
Gal 1:11-12
Gal 2:7-9

Scripture is the teacher

 

[dak]

The teachings of Jesus that apply to how we today will enter Heaven tomorrow are taught by the Apostle He selected
Acts 9:15
Rom 11:13
Rom 15:16
1 Tm 2:7
Gal 1:11-12
Gal 2:7-9

Scripture is the teacher

Huh? You don't like your own medicine? Just answer the question yes or no.

Do you believe that all of the teachings of the Meshiah in the Gospel of Luke apply to you?

Yes or No?

 

[Dryhn]

Huh? You don't like your own medicine? Just answer the question yes or no.

Do you believe that all of the teachings of the Meshiah in the Gospel of Luke apply to you?

Yes or No?

ALL ? No