Mrk 16:17-18 applies today, really ? Let's see :)

[Dryhn]

The main problem with your interpretation is that you are saying Paul is wrong.

List the Paul verses that teach :-
The sign of a believer (eg markalan) is :-
- The ability to cast out devils either in a group or individually
- Talk to others in a language that he does not know
- Lay hands & heal via a group or individually
- Drink a deadly thing
- Handle a lethal serpent

 

[markalan]

Let's make it simple :)

List ANY Church that you are aware of and can prove :-
-They speak to each other in a language UNKNOWN to the speaker yet understood by others
-They AS A GROUP have cast out devils
- Individual members have handled lethal serpents
- Individual members have drank a deadly thing
- As a group have gone to a childrens cancer ward & lay hands healed any child

I have never been to a church that does not pray for people for healing or deliverance - Evangelical, Pentecostal or even Catholic..
Does your church really believe that healing & deliverance do not happen today?

I have never been to any church that deliberately drinks deadly things or picks up snakes.
Scripture shows us that is a protection for those engaged in the Lord's work (Acts 28:3)

Speaking in an unknown language occurs when it comes from God for a specific purpose as in Acts 2:6.
I wouldn't know how to prove that to you if you believe the age of evangelism is finished: "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature."

 

[Dryhn]

I have never been to a church that does not pray for people for healing or deliverance - Evangelical, Pentecostal or even Catholic..
Does your church really believe that healing & deliverance do not happen today?

I have never been to any church that deliberately drinks deadly things or picks up snakes.
Scripture shows us that is a protection for those engaged in the Lord's work (Acts 28:3)

Speaking in an unknown language occurs when it comes from God for a specific purpose as in Acts 2:6.
I wouldn't know how to prove that to you if you believe the age of evangelism is finished: "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature."

The request was easy to understand :)-

List ANY Church that you are aware of and can prove :-
-They speak to each other in a language UNKNOWN to the speaker yet understood by others
-They AS A GROUP have cast out devils
- Individual members have handled lethal serpents
- Individual members have drank a deadly thing
- As a group have gone to a childrens cancer ward & lay hands healed any child

Please try to answer it :)

 

[markalan]

List the Paul verses that teach :-
The sign of a believer (eg markalan) is :-
- The ability to cast out devils either in a group or individually
- Talk to others in a language that he does not know
- Lay hands & heal via a group or individually
- Drink a deadly thing
- Handle a lethal serpent

Paul teaches that these things will occur in the Church - but not all individual believers do all those things

1 Corinthians 12:28-30
And God hath set some in the church,
first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers,
after that miracles, then gifts of healings,
helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers?
are all workers of miracles?
Have all the gifts of healing?
do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

 

[Dryhn]

Paul teaches that these things will occur in the Church - but not all individual believers do all those things

1 Corinthians 12:28-30
And God hath set some in the church,
first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers,
after that miracles, then gifts of healings,
helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers?
are all workers of miracles?
Have all the gifts of healing?
do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

Good, list ANY CHURCH today in your area where ALL the above are happening :)

 

[markalan]

Good, list ANY CHURCH today in your area where ALL the above are happening :)

The Church is the universal "body of Christ".

Do you think Jesus was telling believers to deliberately drink poison and pick up snakes?
If so, there is nothing more I can say.

If you go to any evangelical or pentecostal church near you, they will tell you about people who have been healed & delivered.

I'll just leave you with one testimony of a pastor I know about who prayed for a sick woman who could not speak English but she understood every word in her own language. Believe it or not.

 

[Dryhn]

The Church is the universal "body of Christ".

Do you think Jesus was telling believers to deliberately drink poison and pick up snakes?
If so, there is nothing more I can say.

If you go to any evangelical or pentecostal church near you, they will tell you about people who have been healed & delivered.

I'll just leave you with one testimony of a pastor I know about who prayed for a sick woman who could not speak English but she understood every word in her own language. Believe it or not.

And God hath set some in the church,
first apostles

Apostles Paul & Peter raised the dead

List ANY Church today that has an Apostle that can raise the dead :)

 

[markalan]

And God hath set some in the church,
first apostles

Apostles Paul & Peter raised the dead

List ANY Church today that has an Apostle that can raise the dead :)

Peter & Paul raised one person each from the dead.
Clearly this is not a frequent occurrence.

Even everyone Paul prayed for was not healed (2 Tim 4:20)

Miracles seem to occur more often in places where there is great need and the people are wholly dependent on God.
especially where there is persecution of Christian believers.
You can google accounts of healing, and even the dead being raised, and make your own judgment.

 

[Dryhn]

Peter & Paul raised one person each from the dead.
Clearly this is not a frequent occurrence.

Even everyone Paul prayed for was not healed (2 Tim 4:20)

Miracles seem to occur more often in places where there is great need and the people are wholly dependent on God.
especially where there is persecution of Christian believers.
You can google accounts of healing, and even the dead being raised, and make your own judgment.

List the verses that teach it only happened once and only by Peter & Paul.

Next list ANY church that can talk to REMOTE aboriginals in their native language without any training :)

 

[markalan]

List the verses that teach it only happened once and only by Peter & Paul.

You've got it back to front ... if you say it is more, then list the verses.

Next list ANY church that can talk to REMOTE aboriginals in their native language without any training :)

You still do not seem to understand what the Church is in 1 Cor 12:28.

I have not heard of anyone doing what you say ... but then I am more impressed by what God actually does than what people think He should do.

.

 

[Dryhn]

You've got it back to front ... if you say it is more, then list the verses.



You still do not seem to understand what the Church is in 1 Cor 12:28.

I have not heard of anyone doing what you say ... but then I am more impressed by what God actually does than what people think He should do.

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You still don't seem to understand that there are no more Apostles :)

Are There Still Apostles Today? — For the Gospel

There are many movements that exist that claim there are still apostles today. This all comes from 2004 when C. Peter Wagner said that “God told him in 2001 the apostolic era was going to begin again and that there would be apostles once more.” Costi Hinn shares why this is dangerous, and provides b

www.forthegospel.org

So are there apostles today? No, because they have been used by God as part of the body of Christ to lay the foundation of the church.

You still seem to think Acts 2:4-6 tongues are active today yet can not list ANY CHURCH today that can talk to remote natives in their native language without any training.

You can't list ANY CHURCH that lays hands on terminally ill babies & heals them

Keep up the good work mark :)

 

[markalan]

You still don't seem to understand that there are no more Apostles :)

Are There Still Apostles Today? — For the Gospel

There are many movements that exist that claim there are still apostles today. This all comes from 2004 when C. Peter Wagner said that “God told him in 2001 the apostolic era was going to begin again and that there would be apostles once more.” Costi Hinn shares why this is dangerous, and provides b

www.forthegospel.org

So are there apostles today? No, because they have been used by God as part of the body of Christ to lay the foundation of the church.

I am beginning to wonder just how much of the Bible you throw out.

You still seem to think Acts 2:4-6 tongues are active today yet can not list ANY CHURCH today that can talk to remote natives in their native language without any training.

Your example is not in accordance with Scripture.
Humans do not speak in unknown languages - God speaks through humans according to His will.

You can't list ANY CHURCH that lays hands on terminally ill babies & heals them

Keep up the good work mark :)

You seem to be arguing that God does not heal anyone today - is that what you really believe?

 

[Dryhn]

I am beginning to wonder just how much of the Bible you throw out.



Your example is not in accordance with Scripture.
Humans do not speak in unknown languages - God speaks through humans according to His will.



You seem to be arguing that God does not heal anyone today - is that what you really believe?

Facts not opinions please :)
eg Acts 2:4-6 tongues.
List ANY church today that can talk to ANY NATIVE REMOTE tribe in their native language without training

 

[markalan]

Facts not opinions please :)
eg Acts 2:4-6 tongues.
List ANY church today that can talk to ANY NATIVE REMOTE tribe in their native language without training

How about you answer just one of my questions - do you believe that God still heals people today in answer to prayer?

The signs in Mark 16 are not used willy-nilly by believers - if they were then Jesus was telling His followers to deliberately drink poison and pick up snakes whenever they felt like it.

In the cases I know of where a person did speak in an unknown language, it was for a specific purpose at a specific time ... just as they did in Acts 2.

 

[David Lamb]

Galatians 2:7-9 does not say Paul was the only one appointed to preach the gospel to gentiles.
ALL agreed that :-
Peter etc to teach gospel to the circ - NOT gentiles :)
Paul & Barna to teach gospel to the UNcirc/heathen - gentiles

Peter preached to Cornelius, a Roman soldier.
Was that BEFORE the Gal 2:7-9 agreement or after ?

Whether before or after makes no difference to the fact that Paul was appointed by God to preach not only to Gentiles but to kings and the children of Israel too, as God told Ananias:

NKJV Act 9:15 But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel.
Act 9:16 For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name's sake."

 

[Taken]

Can you :-

cast out devils

Yes. I can rebuke, cast out of my presence.

speak new tongues - speak to lost tribe in their language.

No. I have not learned certain other languages, but others have, and interpreters, be it sign language, Russian, Chinese , whatever.
Not fully convinced Gentiles were appointed to be Jewish religious teachers.

take up serpents

Have seen successful snake handlers.

drink deadly thing

Wouldn’t suggest drinking a gallon of poison … but do believe people can inject a small amount of poison and recover.

lay hands heal -

Yes, of a believer upon a believer.

go to cancer ward & heal the dying

No… random acts not knowing their belief.
But Have…inquired about family members having a scheduled “surgery” for example… that their surgeon believes and pray for the success of their hands works…
Similar inquiries, I have made to nurses attending a family member in hospital, and pray for and with them for care over the patient family member.

Just this past month…have been with a family member…preliminary discussion of options involving one leg, foot purple, toes turning black, amputations, vein strip and replace…
Latter was performed, successful, healthy color returning…recently sent home, post op, beginning 3 weeks… improving daily.
I believe the surgeon hands were skilled and God because of prayer …answered for the asking.

My perspective per your post challenge.

Glory to God,
Taken