Concerning Doctrines

[dak]

ALL ? No

Lol, you call me a waffler and then immediately prove yourself to be a sidewinder.

Please answer the question yes or no:

Do you believe that all of the teachings of the Meshiah in the Gospel of Luke apply to you?

Yes or No?

 

[Dryhn]

Lol, you call me a waffler and then immediately prove yourself to be a sidewinder.

Please answer the question yes or no:

Do you believe that all of the teachings of the Meshiah in the Gospel of Luke apply to you?

Yes or No?

All of the teachings ? NO

 

[dak]

All of the teachings ? NO

1) How do you decide which teachings are for you and which teachings are not for you in Luke?
2) Do you believe Jesus is God? Yes or No?

 

[dak]

Here we are on page three of your thread and you have still not yet begun your argument(s). Why not just start with John 1:1? Surely you have some sort of argument with the common Trinitarian interpretation and understanding of that passage, correct? Below is the Greek text with links to the lexicons provided at biblehub,com.

Show us all why the following Greek text is theologically incorrect.

John 1:1 Greek Study Bible (Apostolic / Interlinear)
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

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For future reference:
The following Hebrew text from the Vatican Library is theologically correct.

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https://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Vat.ebr.100/0238

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"not a Unitarian"...

Another ill-informed stab in the darkness. You never even made it to the actual point that was being hinted at because of the magnitude of your ignorance of the scripture. You had a fairly simple verse with a mere seventeen words and yet you have apparently never even taken the time to find out what each word actually means in its context within the statement.

Clue #2 — G4314 πρὸς -vs- H5973 עם, (for example, study the 2Chr 24:4 Hebrew text).

Clue #3 — "Epiphanius goes on to say that he had heard of Hebrew versions of John and Acts kept privately in the treasuries (Geniza?) at Tiberias".......

The Gospel of the Ebionites

The Gospel of the Ebionites on Early Christian Writings: the New Testament, Apocrypha, Gnostics, and Church Fathers: information and translations of Gospels, Epistles, and documents of early Christianity.

www.earlychristianwritings.com

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[Dryhn]

1) How do you decide which teachings are for you and which teachings are not for you in Luke?
2) Do you believe Jesus is God? Yes or No?

1) Because Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, 1 Tim 2:7, Gal 2:7-9 teaches that Luke is not sent to teach me how to enter Heaven

Prove me wrong please :)

 

[Wick Stick]

Scripture is the teacher

The teachings of Jesus that apply to how we today will enter Heaven tomorrow are taught by the Apostle He selected
Acts 9:15
Rom 11:13
Rom 15:16
1 Tm 2:7
Gal 1:11-12
Gal 2:7-9

Scripture is the teacher... unless the Scripture is someone other than Paul?

 

[Dryhn]

Scripture is the teacher... unless the Scripture is someone other than Paul?

Do you reject the teachings of Paul ?

 

[dak]

1) Because Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, 1 Tim 2:7, Gal 2:7-9 teaches that Luke is not sent to teach me how to enter Heaven

Prove me wrong please :)

You did not answer either one of my questions:
1) How do you decide which teachings are for you and which teachings are not for you in Luke?
2) Do you believe Jesus is God? Yes or No?

Moreover, regarding your response quoted herein above, you appear to enjoy creating more work for others to do which you yourself appear to be not willing to do. Why is that? It is your responsibility to quote the passages in their contexts and expound the reason(s) why your claim is true. So, to be straight, your sidewinder topic-shift claim appears to be that the five passages you have referenced teach you that Luke is not sent to teach you how to enter heaven, (which has nothing to do with my question). Therefore quote the passages yourself with contexts and expound from those passages the reasons why your new claim is true.

3) Why did you ignore question #2?

 

[Dryhn]

You did not answer either one of my questions:
1) How do you decide which teachings are for you and which teachings are not for you in Luke?
2) Do you believe Jesus is God? Yes or No?

Moreover, regarding your response quoted herein above, you appear to enjoy creating more work for others to do which you yourself appear to be not willing to do. Why is that? It is your responsibility to quote the passages in their contexts and expound the reason(s) why your claim is true. So, to be straight, your sidewinder topic-shift claim appears to be that the five passages you have referenced teach you that Luke is not sent to teach you how to enter heaven, (which has nothing to do with my question). Therefore quote the passages yourself with contexts and expound from those passages the reasons why your new claim is true.

3) Why did you ignore question #2?

I believe Jesus is the Word made flesh
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[Wick Stick]

Do you reject the teachings of Paul ?

No. But I do find him somewhat hard to understand. Peter seems to agree:

2Peter 3:15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

When I find doctrines that only come from Paul... I question that.

 

[Dryhn]

No. But I do find him somewhat hard to understand. Peter seems to agree:

2Peter 3:15 And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

When I find doctrines that only come from Paul... I question that.

I accept what Scripture teaches.
Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 1:11-12, Gal 2:7-9
Do those verses teach you that Paul is your Apostle & Minister & that he teaches you the gospel ?
If not then why not ? TIA

 

[Wick Stick]

I accept what Scripture teaches.
Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 1:11-12, Gal 2:7-9
Do those verses teach you that Paul is your Apostle & Minister & that he teaches you the gospel ?
If not then why not ? TIA

I think you to have it backwards. I don't have an issue with Paul.

It seems to me you have an issue with every author in the Bible except Paul. Feel free to correct me if that's not so.

 

[Dryhn]

I think you to have it backwards. I don't have an issue with Paul.

It seems to me you have an issue with every author in the Bible except Paul. Feel free to correct me if that's not so.

ALL the Apostles taught correctly to their specific audience & there are no contradictions when CORRECTLY DIVIDED

I am the audience of Paul, Christ chose Paul to teach me how to enter Heaven.

Please list the verses that teach which Apostle you are the audience of
TIA

 

[dak]

I am the audience of Paul, Christ chose Paul to teach me how to enter Heaven.

"I am the audience of Paul"......

Lol, a.k.a. "I am of Paul"...... 1Cor 1:11-12, 1Cor 3:1-4.

1 Corinthians 1:11-12 ASV
11 For it hath been signified unto me concerning you, my brethren, by them that are of the household of Cloe, that there are contentions among you.
12 Now this I mean, that each one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized into the name of Paul?

1 Corinthians 3:1-4 ASV
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, as unto babes in Christ.
2 I fed you with milk, not with meat; for ye were not yet able to bear it: nay, not even now are ye able;
3 for ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you jealousy and strife, are ye not carnal, and do ye not walk after the manner of men?
4 For when one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not [carnal] men?

Dear Paul hater, please stop twisting and subverting the teachings of Paul for your own benefit before it is too late. You've allowed yourself to be deceived by carnal minded babes and undeveloped children who twist the words of Paul to their own destruction.
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[Dryhn]

"I am the audience of Paul"......

Lol, a.k.a. "I am of Paul"...... 1Cor 1:11-12, 1Cor 3:1-4.

1 Corinthians 1:11-12 ASV
11 For it hath been signified unto me concerning you, my brethren, by them that are of the household of Cloe, that there are contentions among you.
12 Now this I mean, that each one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized into the name of Paul?

1 Corinthians 3:1-4 ASV
1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, as unto babes in Christ.
2 I fed you with milk, not with meat; for ye were not yet able to bear it: nay, not even now are ye able;
3 for ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you jealousy and strife, are ye not carnal, and do ye not walk after the manner of men?
4 For when one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not [carnal] men?

Dear Paul hater, please stop twisting and subverting the teachings of Paul for your own benefit before it is too late. You've allowed yourself to be deceived by carnal minded babes and undeveloped children who twist the words of Paul to their own destruction.
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LOL ?
You see traky daky waky boy, if you want to have a polite constructive discussion then we can do that otherwise it can turn to cow manure of which I'll gladly drag you further down into it.
Your choice xxx

 

[dak]

LOL ?
You see traky daky waky boy, if you want to have a polite constructive discussion then we can do that otherwise it can turn to cow manure of which I'll gladly drag you further down into it.
Your choice xxx

I already explained to you in previous posts why what I said above is true: unfortunately you closed your eyes, plugged your ears, and accused me of trying to deceive you despite all the scripture that was posted to support what I said.

If you hijack Paul's words and remove snippets, one-liners, and single verses from his writings you are removing small portions of his words from their contexts which expound what he is actually talking about. Not only that but the context contains the Logos, so at the same time you are stripping his words of the Logos of Elohim that is within that surrounding context, and the Logos of Elohim is the Son of Elohim. Generally people who do such a thing are doing it so that they may remove the Logos of Elohim so as to insert their own private logos into the words of scripture and especially when it comes to the writings of Paul, (whether they realize it or not, and most times they do not realize it).

Thus you are forcing Paul to say and teach things that he is not saying or teaching: that is brutal, thievery, and violent, hijacking Paul's words by force to use them for your own private purposes and your own private doctrine(s), and this is surely hateful because your are taking Paul's words, shoving him aside, inserting your own nefarious logos into his words, misrepresenting him, and teaching a different Gospel than Paul, which is, as he says, no gospel at all and accursed are the ones who do so. Moreover there is no love or respect for Elohim and His Word in your fake version of Paul's Gospel.

I said what I said in the previous post, and I say what I say now also in this post, in an attempt to hopefully awaken you from this delusion to which you have allowed yourself to become a victim. Save yourself from this untoward generation.
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[LoveYeshua]

ALL the Apostles taught correctly to their specific audience & there are no contradictions when CORRECTLY DIVIDED

I am the audience of Paul, Christ chose Paul to teach me how to enter Heaven.

Please list the verses that teach which Apostle you are the audience of
TIA

what about Peter, did yo forget he was chosen to go the gentiles? Acts 15:7

Also what about the words of Christ do they mean anything to you? He spoke clearly on how to enter Heaven did you forget?

 

[Wick Stick]

ALL the Apostles taught correctly to their specific audience & there are no contradictions when CORRECTLY DIVIDED

2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The idea of "rightly dividing" isn't about Dispensations, friend. It's about reading. In Paul's day, the Scriptures were written in a format that didn't include spaces. As such, one trying to read them had to mentally divide a wall of text into words, sentences, paragraphs.

I am the audience of Paul, Christ chose Paul to teach me how to enter Heaven.

Please list the verses that teach which Apostle you are the audience of
TIA

I am of Abraham, and his Seed, which is Christ.

 

[Dryhn]

2Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The idea of "rightly dividing" isn't about Dispensations, friend. It's about reading. In Paul's day, the Scriptures were written in a format that didn't include spaces. As such, one trying to read them had to mentally divide a wall of text into words, sentences, paragraphs.

I am of Abraham, and his Seed, which is Christ.

The idea of "rightly dividing" isn't about Dispensations, friend.
You're entitled to your opinion :)

https://graceambassadors.com/downloads/tracts/HowToRightlyDivide_SingleFold_3.75x5.pdf

 

[MonoBiblical]

As OP, how do I close this thread? It has gotten stupid.