West coast being consumed by fire. Texas and Louisiana being destroyed by water. Phoenix goes through floods and then a huge dust storm. Mosquitoes spreading a virus that affects unborn children. Thousands upon thousands of dead fish clog the beaches of South Florida. Businesses there going under. People getting more skin cancer from exposure to the sun. The El Nino effect. Certain groups of terrorists killing massive amounts of people. If we're beginning the end times or I'm just noticing it now, all I can say is "Come Jesus, come". Anyone else see the connections?
Is it me, or are we looking at Biblical Prophecy?
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I don't see the connections:Newman111107 said:
It is believed the El Nino effect has been around for 10,000 years.
Massive floods and fires have been around since the beginning of time.
Roughly 76 million died during WW1 and WW2 and that is counting non-combat deaths (30 year period). Over 600,000 in the civil war.
Skin cancer has been found in 2,400 year old mummies and they didn't have sun block back then. I would suspect skin cancer rates are going down due to more awareness and the use of sun block.
Matthew 24:36-51
West coast being consumed by fire....Currentdavidnelson said:
Texas and Louisiana being destroyed by water....Current
Phoenix goes through floods and then a huge dust storm.....Current
Mosquitoes spreading a virus that affects unborn children.....Current
Certain groups of terrorists killing massive amounts of people.....Current
Thousands upon thousands of dead fish clog the beaches of South Florida......Current
Businesses there going under.....Current and continuous. It was worse during the great depression and 8 years ago.
Sounds like he is talking about OUR time which could be construed by the person who reads his post as a "set date or time'.
"...not one seal (revelation) is opened yet." Are you a prophet?
Are you arrogant? You quoted a bible verse and that is the reply.tom55 said:
I am a messenger empowered by the spirit of God. Not a prophet.
I don't think I am arrogant. Do you think I am and why?davidnelson said:
No one know the day or hour, however, he was saying that things are really bad right now (currently) which he feels is an indication this CURRENT time may be the day or hour. My point in post #6 is that it has been WORSE in the recent past so logic would lead one to believe that the recent past would have been more likely the end times....since it was worst then than it is CURRENTLY.
A messenger empowered by the spirit of God!! What does that mean??
It means a true Christian who preaches the gospel.tom55 said:
Back then, homosexuality isn't legal. Abortion isn't legal. This world is decaying.
Do you think I am arrogant? If so, WHY?davidnelson said:
If things are not as bad NOW (using the examples Newman gave) as they were back then how is the world decaying? By YOU adding homosexuality and abortion to the argument YOU just changed HIS argument and made it your own. So are we now discussing YOUR argument or Newmans?
I don't think you are arrogant. I believe firmly that you are.
If you would read your bible you would had known what is happening before your eyes. We are discussing both.
If you would read your bible you would had known what is happening before your eyes. We are discussing both.
Do not mistake confidence with arrogance.davidnelson said:
The definition of arrogance is "an insulting way of thinking or behaving that comes from believing that you are better, smarter, or more important than other people".
Since YOU think that YOU are better, smarter or more important than ME in this discussion that makes YOU arrogant.
I do not believe I am better, smarter or more important than you in this discussion. I believe the Catholic Church (an institution) is.
An institution can not be arrogant. A person can.
BTW...I have read my bible. All 73 books.
(Pride comes before destruction, and an arrogant spirit before a fall)
You are judging me?? Is that in accordance to scripture? If so please provide proof text!davidnelson said:
How do you know the fruit of my spirit? You don't even know me!
PS....You still haven't answered my questions.
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Will attempt to get the thread back on original point of the OP.
I see all the things the OP is pointing out as signs that we are nearing the end. Just like when the leaves are turning on trees, I know that the end of the growing season is here and winter is approaching. But indeed, we have seen major prophecy fulfilled right before our eyes and many have failed to take notice.
One of the most major of prophecies of the end, that probably as pronounced as the crossing of the Red Sea by Moses, is the regathering and recreation of Israel. That fulfilled prophecy so closely to be mathematical in its fulfillment. For me, that was the trigger to start setting up the final stage for the end times events. Everything is down hill on a rocket sled now.
I see all the things the OP is pointing out as signs that we are nearing the end. Just like when the leaves are turning on trees, I know that the end of the growing season is here and winter is approaching. But indeed, we have seen major prophecy fulfilled right before our eyes and many have failed to take notice.
One of the most major of prophecies of the end, that probably as pronounced as the crossing of the Red Sea by Moses, is the regathering and recreation of Israel. That fulfilled prophecy so closely to be mathematical in its fulfillment. For me, that was the trigger to start setting up the final stage for the end times events. Everything is down hill on a rocket sled now.
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Well, let's break it down, yet again...
Ezekiel is told to lie on one side and then the other for a number of days, and those days represent the years of punishment for Israel and Judah's disobedience. Totals 430 days. Ezekiel 4:4-6
The Babylonian captivity was for 70 years. 430 - 70 = 360 years punishment remaining. The vast majority of the Hebrew captives of Babylon did NOT return with Ezra or Nehemiah. Therefore, the majority of the Hebrews remained in disobedience to God
Leviticus 26 says that if the Hebrews remains in disobedience, their punishments would be multiplied by 7 times. Remaining 360 years x 7 = 2520 years. 2520 x 360 (the religious / prophetic calendar) = 907200 days. 907200 divided by 365.25 (the days in the solar calendar) = 2483.78 years.
The order given by Cyrus for the Hebrews to return and rebuild the temple was in roughly September of 537BC. For math purposes, that would be roughly -536.4 years. So we take -536.4 and add 2483.78 years and and add 1 year because there is no year "0" (calendar would go from 1BC to 1AD) and we get 1948.4 or right about May 1948.
I guess I am a sucker for following what the scripture lays out. That is alright by me! And I don't believe in coincidences.
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ok, if only those were real Jews, and not Askenazis, etc. If you're gonna go OT on part, imo you gottsa go OT on it all, and seems to me that God would disinherit all of the Ashkenazis. We are plainly told NT who "Israel" is now, imo. And i don't think it is the apartheid abomination manufactured by men who also had access to Scripture, and calculators.
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The great enemy of truth is very often not the lie - deliberate, contrived, and dishonest - but the myth which is persistent, persuasive, and repeated. - President John F. Kennedy
Some of you folks have Ashkenazi on the brain. You really have got to get a life.
The majority of Jews in modern Israel's founding in 1948 were Sabras, those Jews who had been born there and had historic, genealogical ties to the land for centuries. There has always been a Jewish presence in the land. Even after the 70AD and 135AD events, there has always been a substantial Jewish community in the land. Sometimes even flourishing. Large communities were reestablished in Jerusalem and Tiberias. Later, substantial Jewish communities grew in Rafah, Gaza, Ashkelon, Jaffa, and Caesarea. During the Crusades, some crusaders had contests to see how many Jewish babies they could get on a sword. Something like 20,000 were burned alive in the Great Synagogue in Jerusalem by the crusaders, all while the crusaders marched around the burning building singing praises to Christ. What a wonderful history the established Church has regarding Jews. Is it any wonder many of them don't trust Christians and are loathe to even check out the Gospel. But it does establish one thing... there were substantial numbers of Jews in the land.
There are also Sephardi Jews, Mizrahi Jews, Beta Israel, Cochin Jews, Bene Israel, Karaite Jews, and many other groups.
And all the tribes were commingled back in 2 Chronicles 11 under Rehoboam. Jeroboam had screwed things up pretty bad up north with idol worship and other nonsense, and had cut off the Levitical priests from performing their duties. The Levites, and those that remained faithful to God from all the other tribes, migrated south and joined with the southern kingdom, and were even among those taken into captivity in Babylon.
When the remnant returned from the Babylonian captivity, Ezra called them Jews 8 times and all Israel 40 times. In the second wave, Nehemiah called them Jews 11 times and all Israel 22 times.
Sure, those that didn't return were assimilated into the culture and even migrated out to Europe and other places. Doesn't matter. There were always faithful from all the tribes living in the land. Even today in Israel, Ashkenazi Jews are only a fraction of the Jewish population. Sabras still comprise almost half of Jews in modern Israel.
There, I went OT on ya'. You should be satisfied, right?
But because only a remnant returned from Babylon, the majority were still disobedient by wanting to stay in Babylon. They had built homes, careers, etc and didn't want to give that up to move back to a destroyed Israel and rebuild it. Kinda like folks today don't want to give up their cushy lifestyle to do what is right in God's eyes. So Leviticus 26 kicked in and the remaining years of punishment were multiplied 7 times.
Even with the return from Babylon, there never was again a independent nation of Israel because of that extended punishment. They remained still under control of Cyrus, then Darius, then the Greeks, then the Romans, the Ottoman empire, The British, et al. Only when the years were fulfilled in 1948 did Israel once again become an independent nation.
Deny it. Try to refute it, whatever. Just be certain you are not impugning God's character that He doesn't keep His promises. Dangerous ground buddy. The one thing that distinguishes the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob from all others is that He is a God who delights in making and keeping His promises. If He can't be trusted regarding His promise to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, then our salvation is in just as much jeopardy. Frightening thought right there. But I know in Whom I have placed my trust.
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