Set free

[H. Richard]

All scriptures from the NKJV

1 John 3:9
******9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1 John 5:18-20
******18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

Note: How does he keep himself, by not sinning (which he cannot do)? --- No! By having faith in what Jesus (God) did on the cross. If you have faith, trust, and confidence in His work on the cross then you KNOW your sins are forgiven.

19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.
20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

Ps 32:2
2 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord does not impute iniquity,
And in whose spirit there is no deceit.

Note: The man/woman is honest (no deceit) with God acknowledging that he/she is sinful. They do this continuously in their hearts.

Col 2:11-23
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, “”by the circumcision of Christ,””
12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, “””””having forgiven you all trespasses,””””
14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

Note: Separating your sinful flesh from your spirit is the work of God, not your works and efforts to not sin. The baptism in verse 12 is not a person’s baptism in water. The person is buried in HIS baptism on the cross by the circumcision of Christ (the work of Christ). This was done by Christ in verse 11.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.
20 Therefore, if you died with Christ “””””from the basic principles of the world,”””” why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations
21 "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,"
22 which all concern things which perish with the using — according to the commandments and doctrines of men?
23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Note: Make sure you don’t let others try to lay a guilt trip on you so that you cannot enjoy the peace and joy there is to be found in God’s work on the cross.

John 15:18-20
18 "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.
19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

John 17:14-26
14 I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.
16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
18 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.
20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
24 "Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me.
26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."

Note: I completely believe that I am not of this world, just as Jesus said, and I believe that many hate me because I have complete faith, trust, and confidence in His work on the cross and will not let others put a guilt trip on me. I am obedient to the Gospel of God’s grace as taught by Paul. I will not live in my sinful flesh and let my sins of the flesh control my life. Jesus has set me free from my sinful flesh. --- If a person is not set free from their sins committed in their sinful flesh, then they have not been set free and it is doubtful that they really believe their sins are forgiven.

 

[Windmill Charge]

And do you sin?

As 1John1:8+9 tell us, if we say we are without sin we decieve ourselves etc etc.

How would you councel a new Christian who has suddenly become aware that he sins?

 

[H. Richard]

And do you sin?

As 1John1:8+9 tell us, if we say we are without sin we decieve ourselves etc etc.

How would you councel a new Christian who has suddenly become aware that he sins?

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I said in the OP; ""Note: How does he keep himself, by not sinning (which he cannot do)? --- No! By having faith in what Jesus (God) did on the cross. If you have faith, trust, and confidence in His work on the cross then you KNOW your sins are forgiven.""

I think I said everyone sins. Perhaps you did not read it.

The same as Billy Graham by telling them that God loves them so much that even thought they sin in the flesh God will not make them spend eternity in Hell if they will just believe Him when He says He paid for their sins on the cross.

How would you counsel them??

 

[Windmill Charge]

The saqme way My last minister councelled many new christians.

One of the marks of a Christian is that they become super sensitive to sin. Things that seemed normal, like oggling/leering at girls becomes sinfull.They need to be aware of and seek to avoid doing that which they are awae is sinnful and to trust that Jesus has paid for their sins.

 

[H. Richard]

The saqme way My last minister councelled many new christians.

One of the marks of a Christian is that they become super sensitive to sin. Things that seemed normal, like oggling/leering at girls becomes sinfull.They need to be aware of and seek to avoid doing that which they are awae is sinnful and to trust that Jesus has paid for their sins.

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This is just another way of saying that if you sin you will lose your salvation. Saying that it is up to the person to keep him/her self saved and that means salvation is the work of mankind. It nullifies (makes void) the shed blood on the cross. It is also a way of saying you are better than all those sinners out there. IMO that is being self-righteous.

A true Christian looks into his/her own heart and sees the sin that is there. They know they can not stop from sinning as long as they live in a body that sins. But they realize that is why Jesus shed His blood on the cross; to save sinners. It doesn't make a sinful flesh become a sinless flesh. What it does is make them see that Jesus' work on the cross was for them.

Many years ago I saw a painting that was supposed to be the rapture. In it there were many going up but absolutely none were coming from a Tavern.

Sorry but that is not what I believe. Jesus' shed blood on the cross is the only thing that saves a person and if that is not where you have placed your faith then you have placed it in what you do to save yourself.

Salvation is the work of God.

 

[Windmill Charge]

This is just another way of saying that if you sin you will lose your salvation. Saying that it is up to the person to keep him/her self saved and that means salvation is the work of mankind. It nullifies (makes void) the shed blood on the cross. It is also a way of saying you are better than all those sinners out there. IMO that is being self-righteous.

In no way am I saying that a Christian saves themselfs, but saying that we all need to be aware of when we are straying into sinful behaviour.

What would you tell a young man, newly saved who comes to you realy concerned that as he sees pretty girls walkinh about town, his thoughts move rapidly from,' Hay that's a pretty girls' to 'Cor I wonder what shes like in bed!' What advice would you give if not to seek to control how long he looks at that girl and how his thoughts start to go.

It could be drink, if he cannot stop drinking untill drunk then he is better off not drinking alchol at all.
What we believe has to have a practical out working in our lives.

 

[H. Richard]

In no way am I saying that a Christian saves themselfs, but saying that we all need to be aware of when we are straying into sinful behaviour.

What would you tell a young man, newly saved who comes to you realy concerned that as he sees pretty girls walkinh about town, his thoughts move rapidly from,' Hay that's a pretty girls' to 'Cor I wonder what shes like in bed!' What advice would you give if not to seek to control how long he looks at that girl and how his thoughts start to go.

It could be drink, if he cannot stop drinking untill drunk then he is better off not drinking alchol at all.
What we believe has to have a practical out working in our lives.

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Frankly I think you are hung up on the sex thing. Don't you realize that a sex drive is a necessary evil to reproduce? This may not be a wake up call but you will find that the female also has a sex drive and looking back on my life I see that in most sexual encounters in my younger age it was the female that in my case it was the aggressive partner. I was very shy. Some girls I dated quit dating me because they wanted someone to have sex with.

A long time ago I realized that sin is a necessary part of life. To me that is what makes what Jesus did on the cross so wonderful. He has (past tense) saved me from this sinful body. No, I don't mean He has made it sinless flesh as the self righteous do. I mean He has delivered me from this sinful body. I am no longer condemned by it's sin. If you can't say this too, then you have no faith in what Jesus did on the cross for you. Have you not read where it says He has saved the ungodly?

Rom 7:24-25
24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
25 I thank God — through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
NKJV

Rom 4:5-8
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin."
NKJV

Rom 5:6-11
6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die.
8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.
NKJV

 

[Windmill Charge]

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Frankly I think you are hung up on the sex thing. Don't you realize that a sex drive is a necessary evil to reproduce? This may not be a wake up call but you will find that the female also has a sex drive and looking back on my life I see that in most sexual encounters in my younger age it was the female that in my case it was the aggressive partner. I was very shy. Some girls I dated quit dating me because they wanted someone to have sex with.

A long time ago I realized that sin is a necessary part of life. To me that is what makes what Jesus did on the cross so wonderful. He has (past tense) saved me from this sinful body. No, I don't mean He has made it sinless flesh as the self righteous do. I mean He has delivered me from this sinful body. I am no longer condemned by it's sin. If you can't say this too, then you have no faith in what Jesus did on the cross for you. Have you not read where it says He has saved the ungodly?

Rom 7:24-25
24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
25 I thank God — through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
NKJV

Rom 4:5-8
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin."
NKJV

Rom 5:6-11
6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die.
8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.
NKJV

So you have no words for a new Christian who is stricken by the awarness of sin. I've used sex as it is the most easily identifable sin, but you put what ever sin you preferr to talk about.
How would you council him/her.

Saying that sin is perfectly normal isn't going to help a new Christian to cope.

 

[Nancy]

All scriptures from the NKJV

Love your post, great scriptures as well.
If we are free in Christ then we are free indeed"! Your one note in a nutshell (IMHO) : "Note: Make sure you don’t let others try to lay a guilt trip on you so that you cannot enjoy the peace and joy there is to be found in God’s work on the cross." <----After 25 years. I have most definitely gotten to the place where nobody could EVER steal the peace I have from the Gospel...there's a reason it means GOOD NEWS!!! The grace He extends us is sooo huge, and oh so sufficient...sin (all the years of walking in it, and enjoying it) makes me cringe when I think of it never bothering me before...I now see sin in a totally different light...I do not enjoy it at all in ANY form.. His Spirit causes me to walk in His ways, and enjoy doing His will!

God bless you.
-nancy

 

[H. Richard]

So you have no words for a new Christian who is stricken by the awarness of sin. I've used sex as it is the most easily identifable sin, but you put what ever sin you preferr to talk about.
How would you council him/her.

Saying that sin is perfectly normal isn't going to help a new Christian to cope.

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This goes back to the idea that God sees us as committing little sins and big sins. According to the scriptures God see all sins, both big and little as breaking His laws. Breaking God's law is just that, breaking the law. It is only man that wants to set some sins above others so that they can feel free of sin if all the sins they commit are just little ones.

I have already answered your question of "how I would council them" but you ignored it. All men/women commit sins of the flesh and that include ALL men and women. But God has provided for their salvation by HIS WORK ON THE CROSS if they will only put their faith, trust, confidence and believe in what HE did to paid for their sins on the cross. No one will do that until they see that they are helpless in trying not to sin in the flesh and then reach out to Jesus.

But from what you say I bet you would tell them that they must keep the law and not sin. If that is what you tell them then you are condemning yourself because you can't keep the law either.