How to hold tight to our Joy in The Lord, In the midst of our sorrow.

[Triumph1300]

He did it, but how can we do it?

Not without Him, that's for sure.

 

[amadeus]

Not without Him, that's for sure.

Amen!

 

[bbyrd009]

I have no idea what you said here at the end, but it actually does line up very well with other scripture. Matt 6:33; Col 3:2 and Romans 8:18 for example. I don't believe you read my whole quote or considered everything I said, so you may want to have another look.

It says whatever this life gives us (good or bad) is miserable. That is, compared to that whthatis to come.

I want properity in this life in all aspects of it, and I don't apologize for that. I don't bekieve its wrong. But its not what the spiritual man is looking forward to.

i think you are indicting yourself when you say that life is miserable compared to some vision of the future after you die that you have been convinced is "Christianity" supposedly manifests, yes. i mean can you put that in context with I came that you might have life, and more abundantly FH? Or what do you mean by "what is to come?" When does that start

 

[FHII]

i think you are indicting yourself when you say that life is miserable compared to some vision of the future after you die that you have been convinced is "Christianity" supposedly manifests, yes. i mean can you put that in context with I came that you might have life, and more abundantly FH? Or what do you mean by "what is to come?" When does that start

Yes Jesus did come so we could have life more abundantly. Furthermore I believe that we can NOW (here on earth) be in heavemly places in the spirit. I also do not deny that there is more to come when we put off this mortal body.

Gow abou you? Do you believe the is more beyond this life? Is there another "world"? Cause Paul seemed to think so. See Eph 1:21 and 1Tim 4:8.

Furthermore, if what I say is wrong then why haven't you explained the verse?

 

[bbyrd009]

Yes Jesus did come so we could have life more abundantly. Furthermore I believe that we can NOW (here on earth) be in heavemly places in the spirit. I also do not deny that there is more to come when we put off this mortal body.

Gow abou you? Do you believe the is more beyond this life? Is there another "world"? Cause Paul seemed to think so. See Eph 1:21 and 1Tim 4:8.

Furthermore, if what I say is wrong then why haven't you explained the verse?

when are you supposed to die, FH?
I have already explained it as much as i can wadr; you are already, of all men, most miserable, seems to me? by your own confession?
bam go with your Death, More Abundantly thing as long as it serves you
i spent most of my life there too ok, not judging

 

[FHII]

when are you supposed to die, FH?
I have already explained it as much as i can wadr; you are already, of all men, most miserable, seems to me? by your own confession?
bam go with your Death, More Abundantly thing as long as it serves you
i spent most of my life there too ok, not judging

did you read any of the scriptural references I gave? I must have miss your explanation of 1 Cor 15:19...

 

[soul man]

What is a Christian? One who is working to be, wanting to be like Christ, that is as Jesus was when he lived on planet Earth as a man 2000 years ago. He did it, but how can we do it?

"For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning." Psalm 30:5

With the morning comes the Light of day... Who can work in the darkness of night?

"I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work." John 9:4

What is this work? Nothing perhaps new in what we have heard. If we simply and continuously do it... that is seek what?

"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Matt 6:33

Will not the joy be included in the "all of these things added"?

Seems to be a lot of work for believers, curious about the rest we can enter into, that is what seems to be eluding the believer.

 

[bbyrd009]

did you read any of the scriptural references I gave? I must have miss your explanation of 1 Cor 15:19...

yes, you missed it, it is right there. A comment is being made about those who embrace Death, More Abundantly and believe that life is crap compared to some imaginary life that the Cult of Sol Invictus has suggested to them might commence after they have died. And you can even call it Christianity if you want to, most ppl do i guess

See if you will that that is put a certain way bc you have already accepted that you will see Him come down in the same way they saw Him go up, and you quote Paul as stating "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord," and maybe even accept that "the flesh profits nothing," right, so it is put that way specifically so that we may declare against "Life, more abundantly" if that is what we believe, while at the same time make a little joke along the lines of "stay here for the present" if we do understand it.

So then, as you say, life is miserable, right. You are of all men most miserable, and the "in this life only" is kind of like flipped on you, bc you have already admitted you don't have pressed down, shaken together, running over.

now unfortunately this is a personal example whereas i would much prefer to speak generally, as your pov is a very popular one among believers, and i don't mean to single you out or anything, imo you rep many or even most believers today i guess.

So pls understand that i am explaining again bc you asked again, and it's prolly still not making any sense to you i guess, but the hinge there is "in this life only," which you might see you have already denied, in spades

 

[FHII]

yes, you missed it, it is right there. A comment is being made about those who embrace Death, More Abundantly and believe that life is crap compared to some imaginary life that the Cult of Sol Invictus has suggested to them might commence after they have died. And you can even call it Christianity if you want to, most ppl do i guess

See if you will that that is put a certain way bc you have already accepted that you will see Him come down in the same way they saw Him go up, and you quote Paul as stating "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord," and maybe even accept that "the flesh profits nothing," right, so it is put that way specifically so that we may declare against "Life, more abundantly" if that is what we believe, while at the same time make a little joke along the lines of "stay here for the present" if we do understand it.

So then, as you say, life is miserable, right. You are of all men most miserable, and the "in this life only" is kind of like flipped on you, bc you have already admitted you don't have pressed down, shaken together, running over.

now unfortunately this is a personal example whereas i would much prefer to speak generally, as your pov is a very popular one among believers, and i don't mean to single you out or anything, imo you rep many or even most believers today i guess.

So pls understand that i am explaining again bc you asked again, and it's prolly still not making any sense to you i guess, but the hinge there is "in this life only," which you might see you have already denied, in spades

that wasn't an explanation of the verse. That was your criticism of what I believe the verse is saying (which is really exactly what the verse is saying). In any sense, I am going to assume you have no intention of explaining the verse or discussing the other verses that go along with it, so I won't bother much more with this discussion. Feel free to carry on, though...

 

[amadeus]

Seems to be a lot of work for believers, curious about the rest we can enter into, that is what seems to be eluding the believer.

Yes, a lot of work, and if we really attempt to it alone we will most certain stumble or fall.

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Matt 11:28-30

 

[soul man]

Yes, a lot of work, and if we really attempt to it alone we will most certain stumble or fall.

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Matt 11:28-30

We are seeing things different, I understand what scripture says but what about the hell people go through trying to make all this work. Religion lays blame to the individual claiming a lack of faith or not working out their prescribed ideas or any number of blames to vendicate their ideas. Vicious cycle can develope and most generally does. We have born again Christian's trying to pound their way to victory, wore out, burnt out, troubled.

 

[amadeus]

We are seeing things different, I understand what scripture says but what about the hell people go through trying to make all this work. Religion lays blame to the individual claiming a lack of faith or not working out their prescribed ideas or any number of blames to vendicate their ideas. Vicious cycle can develope and most generally does. We have born again Christian's trying to pound their way to victory, wore out, burnt out, troubled.

Our trust always needs to be in God and our love for Him rather than the good things He may bless us with while we remain in this veil of flesh which is at best limited in duration. Focusing too much on how well things are going for us as men of flesh here in this temporal world is not where Jesus looked when He walked as a man subject to temptations in it, nor was it where Stephen a young man was looking when they stoned him to death. God may bless us with a lot material things, but if He does not, we need to give Him the glory anyway.

"If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable." I Cor 15:19

"Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content." Phil 4:11

 

[bbyrd009]

that wasn't an explanation of the verse.

or you just didn't like it, take your pick FH. Your interpretation works fine for me.
You don't have to reconcile "Life, more abundantly" if you don't want to
Enjoy your miserable life, and fwiw i honestly hope you achieve Valhalla ok.
When you all get to heaven what a day of rejoicing that will be, huh?

"You will show me the path of life: in your presence is fullness of joy; at your right hand there are pleasures forevermore."

 

[Nancy]

Our trust always needs to be in God and our love for Him rather than the good things He may bless us with while we remain in this veil of flesh which is at best limited in duration. Focusing too much on how well things are going for us as men of flesh here in this temporal world is not where Jesus looked when He walked as a man subject to temptations in it, nor was it where Stephen a young man was looking when they stoned him to death. God may bless us with a lot material things, but if He does not, we need to give Him the glory anyway.

"If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable." I Cor 15:19

"Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content." Phil 4:11

Good post Amadeus, once I surrendered EVERYTHING to Christ, the "cares of this world" mean nothing to me unless the Spirit leads me to pray for others material needs. Since then, I am in need of nothing. He surely IS my ONLY provider and boy does He come through for me. My mindset on all things material has done a flip flop...I used to treat money and possessions as treasures. I now know how untrue and empty it all was. My true treasure is Jesus Christ. Psalm 16:11"You will show me the path of life: in your presence is fullness of joy; at your right hand there are pleasures forevermore."

 

[amadeus]

Good post Amadeus, once I surrendered EVERYTHING to Christ, the "cares of this world" mean nothing to me unless the Spirit leads me to pray for others material needs. Since then, I am in need of nothing. He surely IS my ONLY provider and boy does He come through for me. My mindset on all things material has done a flip flop...I used to treat money and possessions as treasures. I now know how untrue and empty it all was. My true treasure is Jesus Christ. Psalm 16:11"You will show me the path of life: in your presence is fullness of joy; at your right hand there are pleasures forevermore."

Give God the glory in every situation!

 

[Nancy]

Give God the glory in every situation!

Amen, only He is worthy!

 

[Nancy]

Amen, only He is worthy!

And to mention a very important issue here, we are to bless others with what He has blessed us with, not to hoard it and use it for our use only- it all belongs to Him anyhow, lol...He has brought me to a place where I crave to bless others with my monetary blessings. He is so faithful ♥

 

[amadeus]

And to mention a very important issue here, we are to bless others with what He has blessed us with, not to hoard it and use it for our use only- it all belongs to Him anyhow, lol...He has brought me to a place where I crave to bless others with my monetary blessings. He is so faithful ♥

"But who am I, and what is my people, that we should be able to offer so willingly after this sort? for all things come of thee, and of thine own have we given thee." I Chron 29:14

 

[bbyrd009]

But its not what the spiritual man is looking forward to.

alright then, what if what you're looking forward to is what is supposed to happen after baptism?

 

[Frank Lee]

The greatest labor of laboring to enter into His rest is in not laboring at all.

Hebrews 4:10-11 KJVS
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Entering into the rest of God is like walking into a room. Once we do, we do not have to try to be in that room, strive to stay in that room, work to be there. We accept our place in His rest. God's rest home as it were.

I had an aunt Mary who was a Christian and who radiated peace. Even as an unsaved child I saw something unique in her. Never fretful or critical, taking the harshest things in Stride. ALWAYS gracious and soft spoken.

I now realize she had entered into the rest of the Lord and was no longer laboring to be there.

The rest, peace of God is a place to abide. The greatest frustration is allowing anything to remove us from the place of resting in Him continually. I confess to you that from time to time I allow something to evict me from His peace. My only solace is that it takes less time to re enter His rest than in past times.

What removes me? Anger, fear, self condemnation, weariness, lack of faith, chronic pain, rejection. All the things of the world that fight us and try to hinder us. We stumble on our corpses.

Nahum 3:3 KJVS
The horseman lifteth up both the bright sword and the glittering spear: and there is a multitude of slain, and a great number of carcases; and there is none end of their corpses; they stumble upon their corpses:

Not allowing anything to remove us from that rest of God is the greatest struggle, labor.

Hebrews 4:9 KJVS
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Religion says work work work to be accepted by God. That rest only comes in "the sweet by and by". As my old pastor was fond of saying "Honey we don't need it in the sweet by and by, but in the dirty here and now"!

As spirit baptized Christian believers we can always walk in His rest and the labors given us are light burdens that seem not to be work at all. His yoke is easy and will not hinder the peace and rest.