If you think about it makes more sense that God would die for our sins not a son he created.

[Mister Michael]

I know thar jws believe that jehovah sent Jesus to die for our sins but jesus isn't God if he's created so it would be like he sent any other of his angel to be made in human flesh to be sacrificed. But if Jesus is God then it would pay the price of our sins not if he was created being.

 

[Mayflower]

I know thar jws believe that jehovah sent Jesus to die for our sins but jesus isn't God if he's created so it would be like he sent any other of his angel to be made in human flesh to be sacrificed. But if Jesus is God then it would pay the price of our sins not if he was created being.

Amen

 

[Mister Michael]

Amen

Indeed

 

[Enoch111]

I know thar jws believe that jehovah sent Jesus to die for our sins but jesus isn't God if he's created so it would be like he sent any other of his angel to be made in human flesh to be sacrificed. But if Jesus is God then it would pay the price of our sins not if he was created being.

Very good, MM. You are on the right track. Now if you can simply focus on what is written in the Bible (KJB) you will discover many other truths.

 

[Mister Michael]

Very good, MM. You are on the right track. Now if you can simply focus on what is written in the Bible (KJB) you will discover many other truths.

i have to purchase one first

 

[Mister Michael]

I do have it on my phone but i orefer the real thing

 

[brakelite]

Only one equal in authority to the law could provide redemption to those who transgressed it. Thus only one equal to God could die for the sin of man. Angels are not such. Nor is a mere man. Nor is a created being. But the only natural begotten Son of God is equal in authority to His Father, sent by His Father to represent Him as the Redeemer of the human race.

 

[Willie T]

I know thar jws believe that jehovah sent Jesus to die for our sins but jesus isn't God if he's created so it would be like he sent any other of his angel to be made in human flesh to be sacrificed. But if Jesus is God then it would pay the price of our sins not if he was created being.

It wasn't simply the act of getting killed. It was WHAT God, Himself, was capable of doing with, and to, the sin problem in accepting the death we all face... AND, overcoming it to return us to the state in which we were originally created.. It was somehow something mystical that we really don't fathom... something that no power other than the ultimate creator of all things could possibly affect.

 

[Mister Michael]

Also i am not saying capitialism is equally bad to communism i think capitalism has better economy standing but everything else is a no. Democracy is good but if it is pure democracy than it's mob rule

 

[Helen]

I know thar jws believe that jehovah sent Jesus to die for our sins but jesus isn't God if he's created so it would be like he sent any other of his angel to be made in human flesh to be sacrificed. But if Jesus is God then it would pay the price of our sins not if he was created being.

Amen!
Just allow the Lord to filter that through your heart...God is speaking to you.
Bless you ...H

 

[Willie T]

Also i am not saying capitialism is equally bad to communism i think capitalism has better economy standing but everything else is a no. Democracy is good but if it is pure democracy than it's mob rule

Democracy actually IS "Rule by the largest mob at the current time." This dangerous form of government is the very reason that, in the USA, we do not have a democracy... but rather, we have a republic.

 

[amadeus]

Also i am not saying capitialism is equally bad to communism i think capitalism has better economy standing but everything else is a no. Democracy is good but if it is pure democracy than it's mob rule

For men without God, what we have in the United States may be the best thing going, but seeing what we really do have here, we may understand why it is NOT the best. It is really not even good. The best would be to be governed by God Himself. But most men won't allow that.

 

[Willie T]

For men without God, what we have in the United States may be the best thing going, but seeing what we really do have here, we may understand why it is NOT the best. It is really not even good. The best would be to be governed by God Himself. But most men won't allow that.

I honestly do think Christian Reconstructionists have much going for them in this area of thinking.

 

[Enoch111]

The best would be to be governed by God Himself. But most men won't allow that.

That goes without saying. A theocracy is what God wants and what Christ will establish AFTER His second coming. After AFTER He has destroyed all His enemies.

Which does not mean that you should suggest that the design of the government of the United States was defective. It is the corrupt politicians -- "THE SWAMP" -- who have deliberately destroyed the meaning of a democratic republic (under men). The majority of them have turned traitor, and under other circumstances would have been put before a firing squad.

 

[amadeus]

I honestly do think Christian Reconstructionists have much going for them in this area of thinking.

While I do have opinions with regard to current events in this country, I spend little time looking into them except sometimes when it crosses my pathway like your did. I had to look up Christian Reconstructionist to even have a clue as to what you meant. I know that solving our nation's problems through its government is a very unlikely event. The only solution I see would be as per II Chron 7:14 .

Whenever I do get involved in political discussions with people I will usually... if I am allowed... once I have given my opinion the downward trends begin to speak of the Hope that I have in God. I don't expect to save the United States but it would be good if I could help some people find the Hope that I have and embrace it. Yes, there is Hope, but few people really see it for what it is.

I am certainly not against people working in their community or state or nation to help where they are really able, but this must always remain secondary, as I see it, to seeking first God's kingdom and God's righteousness [ Matt 6:33 ] . If for some people to two are one and they believe that's where God wants them, who am I to say otherwise. I can only make decisions for me and mine. Beyond me there is only my wife as she is willing to go with me. After 46 years, that has in the past been quite often.

 

[Willie T]

BTW, MM, I don't know if you are a reader or studier, but here is a very good book I found entertaining and educational concerning what one man thinks is God's view of economics. (Capitalism vs. Socialism)

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...dfs/dcpc.pdf&usg=AOvVaw11r9SsPDe-3BrCBjtvfwWY

If this is too much of a hassle, I also have it on my hard drive in MS Word Format and can email it to you, if you so desire.

 

[amadeus]

That goes without saying. A theocracy is what God wants and what Christ will establish AFTER His second coming. After AFTER He has destroyed all His enemies.

Which does not mean that you should suggest that the design of the government of the United States was defective. It is the corrupt politicians -- "THE SWAMP" -- who have deliberately destroyed the meaning of a democratic republic (under men). The majority of them have turned traitor, and under other circumstances would have been put before a firing squad.

I don't suggest that the design was defective as much as the men who had to work within it were defective. You seem to point a finger at corrupt politicians, but how many men in such positions of power would not be corrupt given opportunity? Some would not be and have even have tried to do it right, but even they would be under pressure to go with the flow. The flow was not and is not going God's Way.

Of course the government of the United States would have worked well if all of those with power were also like Jesus. However, if everyone were really like Jesus many of the laws and the checks and balances and such things would hardly have been needed, would they? Perhaps you see the quandary and why when given the opportunity point people more toward following Jesus than in working to correcting the systems of men.

 

[Mister Michael]

what about 1 Corinthians 12:12-31

 

[APAK]

I know thar jws believe that jehovah sent Jesus to die for our sins but jesus isn't God if he's created so it would be like he sent any other of his angel to be made in human flesh to be sacrificed. But if Jesus is God then it would pay the price of our sins not if he was created being.

MM: I would like to know who do you think the Son is, in the following verses?

(Joh 3:16) For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
(Joh 3:18) He that believes in him is not condemned. He that does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(Heb 1:5) For to which of the angels said He at any time: You are my Son, this day have I begotten you? And again: I will be to him a Father and he shall be to me a Son?

If you think he really means something implicitly, by another title that is derived (not directly written down) then say so.

Not a trick question. And then where did you derive your answer from? Yourself, or a supernatural thought or from someone’s religion or beliefs?


Just curious? ….And welcome!


Bless you,

APAK

 

[Mister Michael]

MM: I would like to know who do you think the Son is, in the following verses?

(Joh 3:16) For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
(Joh 3:18) He that believes in him is not condemned. He that does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(Heb 1:5) For to which of the angels said He at any time: You are my Son, this day have I begotten you? And again: I will be to him a Father and he shall be to me a Son?

If you think he really means something implicitly, by another title that is derived (not directly written down) then say so.

Not a trick question. And then where did you derive your answer from? Yourself, or a supernatural thought or from someone’s religion or beliefs?


Just curious? ….And welcome!


Bless you,

APAK

i don't know i would said that the son is of God's First Creation. but that's the old me i am still trying to figure things out