Does Jesus give people a 2nd chance after death?
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Nancy
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I hate referring to the Greek.
When I studied about the words meaning hell in the N.T., I learned that the right word is tartarus.
But a rose by any other name....
If you don't understand the Bible with out searching out the Greek and Hebrew, then you are trying to learn it in your own strength.
You come up with wrong interpretations because you are not letting the Holy Spirit teach you.
You come up with wrong interpretations because you are not letting the Holy Spirit teach you.
I agree!
Except for this it was absolutely necessary because our English bibles use the world "hell" for DIFFERENT hebrew words and greek words: Gehenna, Sheoul, Hades...that's all I could think of right now.
No, not without a Temple in Jerusalem.
"we" WHO?
Are you a Jew? It was a Jewish Temple. It was Jews who sacrificed animal blood, for them to receive "temporary" Forgiveness for their sin.
Rubbish?
What God established for Hebrews and Jews in their Temple WAS "Rubbish? Wow!
Anymore?
Gentile's didn't go to Jewish Temples, nor practice animal blood sacrifice for Forgiveness of their sin.
No. You are simply ignoring relevant history that foreshadowed Jesus' Pure Blood, For a Permanent Forgiveness of sin.
That's an amazing testimony....
I have NEVER Heard one person who claims to be born again, make that claim.
However I have heard plenty of unborn Again Big mouths Butt in with their 2 cents and Make That Claim For Others!
Sorry but what others claim For me...is irrelevant...and more to the Point....a malicious lie.
God Bless,
Taken
No 2nd chance, you must be written in the book of life (born again) before you die.
You want to get about a bit more, because there are people out there that do claim such, I am not saying that you do or it's the main OSAS believers, but it's out there with some new age mobs that push for the end of times rubbish and so called Jew idolising idiots, and I have come across them sadly, but they hope for a end of Christianity and give it to the Jews, because the fact is they have another Jesus.
Satan is at work on the Church that is Jesus Christ, corrupting his body, that is the followers of Jesus and making a mans works church of Satan, this type of nonsense it's every were, even this Pope is totally out of line with every Pope before him.
I do not know what drug you were on with post 267 the blood means nothing now and the Jews do not exist anymore both are not worthy of anything as to God it was all finished in the OT, Jesus Christ has come, we don't need that crap anymore if you are truly Born Again, because one who is with the Holy Spirit is at one with Jesus, what more does one need, stupid worldly works don't cut it at all. such must be having a 2 way bet.
I do not say OSAS because that is just a worldly boast most of the time because of peoples ego is guiding it and they get on a one way track barking on to the world that they are going to Heaven, but fact is it's not up to them, that's up to Jesus himself in fact. you can hope, but to boast ha ha it must be another heaven made for them by Satan.
Sin is Sin no one is exempt from such at all.
Jesus on the Cross shows us who we are, Sinners ! that's the message, it's about look what you do ? people are easy mislead by the works of Satan. just look at all the fools that have a Cross with no Jesus on it, that's blasphemy the Cross is worthless and if you know the history of it you would know that it's not a good thing, true Christians know that it's Jesus hung up on the bloody thing, but then it becomes something other than just a cross.
People are worshiping another Jesus if they claim the Jews of any regard to look to for salvation, they must be that stupid to not know what that stupid Star is that they do not even now what it means and reject St Stephens account of it as he stated as a fact.
It's all about Jesus Christ and nothing other added to, he is the Holy Spirit what more do you need ? blood worship is satanic.
People rejecting Jesus is not news.
You are out of line.
Sorry dude, nothing has changed. God requires the blood of your life.
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we seek the Hebrew and Greek bc the Bible tells us that scribes will put stuff like "Jesus returning" in there that do not belong, we would still all be celebrating Easter if we did not seek out the accurate translation Rollo. "Hell" was invented by scribes
tho i can agree that that can be used to obfuscate and deflect
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Fact is that no one comes to the Father but by Jesus Christ, did you know that.
You are getting mixed up with the Jewish OT Law as so many do, many fools are saying that we are a Judah Christian values nowadays, but the fact is Christians are Christians alone and not Judah Christians at all.
The Jews have there religion and we have ours and they are not the same at all, it's called the New Testament because Christians have arrived in Jesus Christ who is our Lord and Saviour, the Jews are lost.
The Holy Spirit doe not reside in your Blood.
What keeps your body alive is your blood but that does not count for anything as to do with the Holy Spirit at all, Born Again is all about the Holy Spirit abiding in Jesus Christ, nothing to do with mans madness. the Christian need not abide in stupid rituals etc as we do not need such rubbish because we have the Holy Spirit to guide us.
The OT is under the Grace of God now, so the OT must been seen for what it truly is.
The OT was a blueprint to get us to Jesus Christ and bingo the lights come on, before that they were stumbling around in the darkness and anyone who follows that is stumbling about in the dark.
Hang on now I have some of Jesus Blood here, do you want to buy some, it's precious, I also have the cup of the last supper here as well. don't tell Freemasons and Satanist thou or there will be a stampede of them come running. do you know why such would come running ? it's because they do not believe in the Holy Spirit. they believe in powers and magic etc to empower themselves over others.
The apostle John was NOT a scribe but the beloved disciple of Christ. And here is what he said by divine inspiration of Christ Himself:
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. (Rev 1:7)
So where do you come up with your bizarre ideas? Here's another one:
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels (Mt 25:31)
These are the words of the Christ quoted by the apostle Matthew, again by divine inspiration.
Which means that your ideas are not only bizarre, but designed to UNDERMINE THE FAITH OF OTHERS in Scripture. So who is really coaching you and pulling your strings? And what exactly is your hidden agenda?
False accusation.
Wow, a pretty bold claim for Jews...
And I disagree.
So? Who said it did?
Again why are you telling me things that "ARE NOT", that were never Claimed "WAS" ?
Try to say on a valid point....
You are attempting to argue against things "with ME", that you claim "people have Said"..that has nothing to do with me.
God Bless,
Taken
Can you quote a person making the claim...?
???
If not...why make up a claim, and then challenge the claim, you made up?
God Bless,
Taken
I see you've carefully selected a Bible (NLT) that will sort of fit your agenda of proving the non-Biblical idea that one goes immediately to Heaven when they die. On Bible Gateway, they have about 62 different Bibles. On John 3:13 , 27 of these essentially say, "No one has ever gone to Heaven, except the Son of Man..." 29 say the same thing except they use the word, "ascended" instead of "gone". The only one that puts a totally oddball slant on it and adds, "and returned", onto it, is the terrible NLT that you carefully selected.
Since the claim that only Christ has ever gone to Heaven, in John 3:13 , is the absolute truth, as is found in 56 out of 62 Bibles, any passages that seem to oppose this truth must be the result of poor interpretation, based on traditions, as is the case of the 3 passages you quoted, and what you meant by them when you quoted them.
The statement you made about eliminating a verse because it disagrees with other verses is nonsense. Every word in the Bible is a pure word, as silver purified in the furnace ( Psalms 12:6 ). Ever word is God-breathed, inspired, 2 Timothy 3:16 . So you have taken a very, solid, straight-to-the-point verse, Jn 3:13, and cast it out, because, in your errant traditional views, you THINK it disagrees with 3 iffy passages that, in reality, don't come close to the meaning you've assigned to them.
Since God is not a liar nor the author of confusion, ANY time you find a contradiction in the Bible, it means that you are misinterpreting something - it's your error, in other words. The only exception would be in a really lousy bible with a terrible translation. About 98% of Christians don't obey 2 Timothy 2:15 and rightly divide (correctly cut) God's word. Therefore, it's unlikely that any of the 98% know more than 50% of the truth of the NT. There are ALWAYS multiple contradictions that arise when you don't rightly divide. Most all Christians pay no attention to these contradictions. They just pick & choose the one they like the best, like you have done, and move on down the line. So, the result is that at least half of what they think belongs to them, or is Truth For Today, ISN'T.
Luke 16:19-31 If you have a copy of Josephus, a self-proclaimed Pharisee born about the time of Christ's death, near the back you'll find a section called a "Discourse of Hades." This outlines the Pharisee's beliefs in hell. If you read it, you'll find it to be almost identical to the Rich Man and Lazarus (RM&L). No part of this story appears anywhere in the OT. Abraham’s bosom is a term totally fabricated by the Pharisee’s traditions. In the RM&L, there is no mention of the RM sinning. It’s very possible that he was a very upright Jew that never failed to keep the Law. The only reason given for the RM being in hell and Lazarus not being in hell is that, when they were alive, the Rich Man had life good and Lazarus had it bad, but now, the tables are turned, Luke 16:25 , “ But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.” If RM&L is true, every wealthy person will be in hell, including Abraham..
Christ quoted the curse of Isaiah 6:9-10 , in Matthew 13:14-15 , while explaining Israel’s blindness to the disciples and why He started talking to the multitudes (which included the Pharisees) in parables. From that point in time, I know of no situation where Christ taught the multitude/Pharisees anything, except through parables, which He knew they couldn't understand.
Matthew 13:4
All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
Mark 4:34
But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.
Starting in Luke 15 and ending with the RM&L at the end of Luke 16, Christ told the multitude (including Pharisees, Luke 15:2 ), a series of parables (Strong’s: parables = fictitious stories). As is the RM&L, all of these are ludicrous fiction that is insulting to the Pharisees. The Pharisees, in order to patronize the poor, told them that they would have it good when they died, since they had it bad when alive. In RM&L, Christ turned the tables on them, saying that, since the poor would have it good after death, the rich would have it bad. Also, Christ was insulting the Pharisees by showing them that their beliefs about hell, all derived from their traditions, were very stupid.
For those that believe the absurd notion that the RM&L is a true story, because it starts with, “There was a certain rich man...”, they should note that another equally nonsensical parable starts ( Luke 16:1 ) with the EXACT same words.
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Luke 23:43 (KJV)
“And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.”
Many people, myself included, contend that the comma is in the wrong place. Instead of before the word Today, it should be placed AFTER the word Today. It should read similar to the following, as it does in some of the more accurate Bibles, such as the Rotherham Emphasized Bible, considered by some to be the most accurate Bible. The Rotherham reads as such. The || marks are one of the types of emphasis marks used throughout the Bible. It's not a "reading" Bible.
"And he said unto him--|Verily| I say into thee this day: |With me| shalt thou be in paradise."
There are 3 simple reasons that would have made it impossible for Christ and the malefactor to be in paradise that day.
(1)- The only other 2 occurrences of the word. “paradise” are in:
----- 2 Corinthians 12:2 , where it is associated with the third heaven - 2 Corinthians 12:5. This is the only place in the Bible that the third heaven in mentioned. This is the “third Heaven” in TIME. The 1st Heaven in time is in Genesis 1:1. After Satan’s rebellion, the earth became (not, “was”) without form and void, in Genesis 1:2 , when God shut it down. He then remade the heavens and the earth, Genesis 1:3-19 . This Heaven, the one we have now, is the 2nd Heaven, in time. The future Heaven, the “New Heavens”, the 3rd Heaven, in time, is the one that the person in 2 Corinthians 12:1-4 went to, in spirit.
By the way, many people, and I agree, think that Paul is not talking about himself in 2 Corinthians 12:1-5 , but, instead, is talking about John, in the spirit, at Patmos. That would make the Book of Revelation to have been written about 43AD, which makes more sense than 96AD, since there are several references in the epistles that seem to have come from Revelation. The last, 7th trump of Revelation, at the 2nd Coming, for example. Paradise doesn’t exist today and won’t exist until the New Heavens and New Earth come into existence
----- Revelation 2:7, paradise is associated with the tree of life, which is associated with the New Jerusalem, Revelation 22:2,14 , which is associated with the New Heavens and New Earth, Revelation 21:1-2
(2)- The phrase, “I say unto thee today, ............” is a common idiom that is used 42 times in Deuteronomy. We still use it today. Did you ever tell your kids, “I’m telling you right now, you’d better behave”, or something similar? Different words but the same idiom.
(3) The malefactor that talked with Christ on the cross, in Luke 23:43 , was most likely a Gentile who, at that time, had no Calling. From Gen 12 through Acts10, no Gentile EVER had a Calling. Actually, the only Calling at that time was the Land, and that was 100% for Israel. Also, from Gen 12 through the end of Acts, no one ever had a Hope of Heaven, where Christ now sits at the right hand of God - Search and See. The only people to ever have a Hope of Heaven are those Gentiles today who have been given the eyes to SEE the Hope of their Calling, Ephesians 1:17-18 , which is found ONLY in Paul’s 7 epistles written AFTER Acts. Therefore, it is impossible that the malefactor EVER would go to Heaven. Also, he couldn’t ever be admitted into Israel’s earthly Kingdom. That’s why, when he asked about being in the kingdom, Christ told him that He would be with him in paradise (instead), on the New Earth, which the malefactor would gain entrance to through the White Throne Judgment.
2 Cor 5:8, “We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.”
Unfortunately, I don’t exactly know the meaning of this verse and, over 30 years, I've had at least 5 different theories on what it meant. I do know that it’s much, much more complicated than people think it is. The context includes all of chapter 5 and some authors include chapters 4 and 6. So, verse 8 certainly doesn’t stand alone and, alone, it is totally meaningless. I used to think that Paul was saying, “If I had my druthers, I’d druther be present with the Lord than be at home in the body”. In vs 3, what is this naked state? Does that mean that Paul hopes he will still be alive at the rapture and not in the grave, naked, without a body? I just downloaded a 42 page tome that I haven’t read yet, that’s only giving an explanation of that one verse. I really don't think anyone really knows its exact meaning
Anyway, it makes no difference what it means, as far as anyone alive during the last 1955 years is concerned. One thing I am positive about is that it is impossible that Paul ever thought, at that time, that he would ever go to the uncreated Highest Heaven, where Christ sits at the right hand of God. He had no knowledge that anyone would go there until, after Acts, when he received a revelation directly from Christ, telling him about the brand new church contained in a mystery (secret) that had been hid in God since the world began, Ephesians 3:9 , Colossians 1:26 , Ephesians 1:20 (Christ), Ephesians 2:6 (Us = those who have the eyes to SEE this Hope in Eph and Col – Everyone on the planet today is Called to this Hope of Heaven, but only those that SEE it, believe it, and claim it are chosen). Only in Paul's 7 post-Acts books does anyone have a chance of going to Heaven. No one in the other 59 books ever had a chance of going to Heaven - Search and See. Paul's 7 post-Acts books are the only books in the Bible that will tell anyone living today what their future can hold. During Acts, Paul’s Hope was the New Jerusalem, which isn’t Heaven. It comes down out of the created starry New Heavens and attaches to the New Earth.
Maybe the best is John 3:13 , which is proof, according to 56 out of 62 Bibles, that ONLY Jesus Christ has ever gone to Heaven. A 3rd grader could read it and tell you what it means. So far as the truth goes, it runs rings around everything else you said, combined
NOTE: I'm adding this note Charity made on this subject, which I feel is the true meaning of 2Cor 5:8. Excellent, Charity! Thanks. Much simpler than the 42 page explanation I have by Otis Sellers.
"Paul had no desire to be 'unclothed' by death, but to be 'present' with the Lord; and that could not be achieved except by the return of the risen Christ, which was the expectation of believers during that period. He desired that his body to be clothed upon by life, resurrection life: immortality instead of mortality, incorruption instead of corruption (1 Cor.15). It has nothing to do with dying and going to be with the Lord immediately: but about passing from the mortal state into immortality by the change that will be brought about by resurrection power, 'in the twinkling of an eye' (1 Cor.15:52)."
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Where does it say that Moses and Elijah were alive at the transfiguration? In Matthew 17:9 , it says that seeing them was a VISION. In Strong's, the Greek word translated "vision" in that verse means "a spectacle -- especially a supernatural one".
I, a living soul, Genesis 2:7, practice soul sleep, because I sleep every night. The unBiblical idea that man HAS a soul, like the unBiblical idea of hell, where our loving God tortures those that don’t believe, in fire, 24/7, forever, is a pagan doctrine. No scripture proves the existence of Hell or a separate thing from man, called a soul. The Christian concept of hell is not in the Bible. The word “hell” has been erroneously used to replace 4 totally unrelated words. The usage of the word "hell" in any Bible can only be considered a translation error. Why? Because the concept that "hell" denotes is not found in any Bible Text. I have read that the word "hel", meaning a covered place, was used in the 1611 KJV AV for "grave". Today, it should be gone, but "Hell" sells Bibles.
Actually, all the churches not believing in soul sleep are correct, but only because man does not HAVE a soul. There are about 50, or more, instances, in the Bible, where a dead Saint is referred to as being asleep or in a state of sleep. This is basically a figure of speech that is used because, even though the person is dead, he will rise again at the resurrection, as though he had always been asleep. I know of no dead unbeliever in the Bible that is said to be asleep. The graves are full of dead souls, some asleep and some permanently dead.
Your “proof” that soul sleep doesn’t exist because most all churches don't teach it made me laugh. From what I’ve seen, the more people that believe something, the better the odds are that that “something” is untrue. Just look around you. There is Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Catholicism, Talmudic Judaism, and the entire mainstream Denominational Church System (only with salvation do they know anything) that proves me right. Tons and tons of people, but none in those groups have a clue about truth..
I have zero interest in what any commentary says. I prefer to get my information from scripture.
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; - when we, who can see the Hope of Christ's Calling (Ephesians 1:17-18 ), will appear (be manifested) with Him when He appears (is manifested) in Glory – Colossians 3:4 . The location of Glory is above the Heavens, Psalms 8:1, in the KJV.
Luke 23:43 (KJV)
“And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.”
Many people, myself included, contend that the comma is in the wrong place. Instead of before the word Today, it should be placed AFTER the word Today. It should read similar to the following, as it does in some of the more accurate Bibles, such as the Rotherham Emphasized Bible, considered by some to be the most accurate Bible. The Rotherham reads as such. The || marks are one of the types of emphasis marks used throughout the Bible. It's not a "reading" Bible.
"And he said unto him--|Verily| I say into thee this day: |With me| shalt thou be in paradise."
There are 3 simple reasons that would have made it impossible for Christ and the malefactor to be in paradise that day.
(1)- The only other 2 occurrences of the word. “paradise” are in:
----- 2 Corinthians 12:2 , where it is associated with the third heaven - 2 Corinthians 12:5. This is the only place in the Bible that the third heaven in mentioned. This is the “third Heaven” in TIME. The 1st Heaven in time is in Genesis 1:1. After Satan’s rebellion, the earth became (not, “was”) without form and void, in Genesis 1:2 , when God shut it down. He then remade the heavens and the earth, Genesis 1:3-19 . This Heaven, the one we have now, is the 2nd Heaven, in time. The future Heaven, the “New Heavens”, the 3rd Heaven, in time, is the one that the person in 2 Corinthians 12:1-4 went to, in spirit.
By the way, many people, and I agree, think that Paul is not talking about himself in 2 Corinthians 12:1-5 , but, instead, is talking about John, in the spirit, at Patmos. That would make the Book of Revelation to have been written about 43AD, which makes more sense than 96AD, since there are several references in the epistles that seem to have come from Revelation. The last, 7th trump of Revelation, at the 2nd Coming, for example. Paradise doesn’t exist today and won’t exist until the New Heavens and New Earth come into existence
----- Revelation 2:7, paradise is associated with the tree of life, which is associated with the New Jerusalem, Revelation 22:2,14 , which is associated with the New Heavens and New Earth, Revelation 21:1-2
(2)- The phrase, “I say unto thee today, ............” is a common idiom that is used 42 times in Deuteronomy. We still use it today. Did you ever tell your kids, “I’m telling you right now, you’d better behave”, or something similar? Different words but the same idiom.
(3) The malefactor that talked with Christ on the cross, in Luke 23:43 , was most likely a Gentile who, at that time, had no Calling. From Gen 12 through Acts10, no Gentile EVER had a Calling. Actually, the only Calling at that time was the Land, and that was 100% for Israel. Also, from Gen 12 through the end of Acts, no one ever had a Hope of Heaven, where Christ now sits at the right hand of God - Search and See. The only people to ever have a Hope of Heaven are those Gentiles today who have been given the eyes to SEE the Hope of their Calling, Ephesians 1:17-18 , which is found ONLY in Paul’s 7 epistles written AFTER Acts. Therefore, it is impossible that the malefactor EVER would go to Heaven. Also, he couldn’t ever be admitted into Israel’s earthly Kingdom. That’s why, when he asked about being in the kingdom, Christ told him that He would be with him in paradise (instead), on the New Earth, which the malefactor would gain entrance to through the White Throne Judgment.
2 Cor 5:8, “We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.”
Unfortunately, I don’t exactly know the meaning of this verse and, over 30 years, I've had at least 5 different theories on what it meant. I do know that it’s much, much more complicated than people think it is. The context includes all of chapter 5 and some authors include chapters 4 and 6. So, verse 8 certainly doesn’t stand alone and, alone, it is totally meaningless. I used to think that Paul was saying, “If I had my druthers, I’d druther be present with the Lord than be at home in the body”. In vs 3, what is this naked state? Does that mean that Paul hopes he will still be alive at the rapture and not in the grave, naked, without a body? I just downloaded a 42 page tome that I haven’t read yet, that’s only giving an explanation of that one verse. I really don't think anyone really knows its exact meaning
Anyway, it makes no difference what it means, as far as anyone alive during the last 1955 years is concerned. One thing I am positive about is that it is impossible that Paul ever thought, at that time, that he would ever go to the uncreated Highest Heaven, where Christ sits at the right hand of God. He had no knowledge that anyone would go there until, after Acts, when he received a revelation directly from Christ, telling him about the brand new church contained in a mystery (secret) that had been hid in God since the world began, Ephesians 3:9 , Colossians 1:26 , Ephesians 1:20 (Christ), Ephesians 2:6 (Us = those who have the eyes to SEE this Hope in Eph and Col – Everyone on the planet today is Called to this Hope of Heaven, but only those that SEE it, believe it, and claim it are chosen). Only in Paul's 7 post-Acts books does anyone have a chance of going to Heaven. No one in the other 59 books ever had a chance of going to Heaven - Search and See. Paul's 7 post-Acts books are the only books in the Bible that will tell anyone living today what their future can hold. During Acts, Paul’s Hope was the New Jerusalem, which isn’t Heaven. It comes down out of the created starry New Heavens and attaches to the New Earth.
Maybe the best is John 3:13 , which is proof, according to 56 out of 62 Bibles, that ONLY Jesus Christ has ever gone to Heaven. A 3rd grader could read it and tell you what it means. So far as the truth goes, it runs rings around everything else you said, combined
NOTE: I'm adding this note Charity made on this subject, which I feel is the true meaning of 2Cor 5:8. Excellent, Charity! Thanks. Much simpler than the 42 page explanation I have by Otis Sellers.
"Paul had no desire to be 'unclothed' by death, but to be 'present' with the Lord; and that could not be achieved except by the return of the risen Christ, which was the expectation of believers during that period. He desired that his body to be clothed upon by life, resurrection life: immortality instead of mortality, incorruption instead of corruption (1 Cor.15). It has nothing to do with dying and going to be with the Lord immediately: but about passing from the mortal state into immortality by the change that will be brought about by resurrection power, 'in the twinkling of an eye' (1 Cor.15:52)."
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Where does it say that Moses and Elijah were alive at the transfiguration? In Matthew 17:9 , it says that seeing them was a VISION. In Strong's, the Greek word translated "vision" in that verse means "a spectacle -- especially a supernatural one".
I, a living soul, Genesis 2:7, practice soul sleep, because I sleep every night. The unBiblical idea that man HAS a soul, like the unBiblical idea of hell, where our loving God tortures those that don’t believe, in fire, 24/7, forever, is a pagan doctrine. No scripture proves the existence of Hell or a separate thing from man, called a soul. The Christian concept of hell is not in the Bible. The word “hell” has been erroneously used to replace 4 totally unrelated words. The usage of the word "hell" in any Bible can only be considered a translation error. Why? Because the concept that "hell" denotes is not found in any Bible Text. I have read that the word "hel", meaning a covered place, was used in the 1611 KJV AV for "grave". Today, it should be gone, but "Hell" sells Bibles.
Actually, all the churches not believing in soul sleep are correct, but only because man does not HAVE a soul. There are about 50, or more, instances, in the Bible, where a dead Saint is referred to as being asleep or in a state of sleep. This is basically a figure of speech that is used because, even though the person is dead, he will rise again at the resurrection, as though he had always been asleep. I know of no dead unbeliever in the Bible that is said to be asleep. The graves are full of dead souls, some asleep and some permanently dead.
Your “proof” that soul sleep doesn’t exist because most all churches don't teach it made me laugh. From what I’ve seen, the more people that believe something, the better the odds are that that “something” is untrue. Just look around you. There is Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Catholicism, Talmudic Judaism, and the entire mainstream Denominational Church System (only with salvation do they know anything) that proves me right. Tons and tons of people, but none in those groups have a clue about truth..
I have zero interest in what any commentary says. I prefer to get my information from scripture.
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; - when we, who can see the Hope of Christ's Calling (Ephesians 1:17-18 ), will appear (be manifested) with Him when He appears (is manifested) in Glory – Colossians 3:4 . The location of Glory is above the Heavens, Psalms 8:1, in the KJV.
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