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GodsGrace

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“Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.” (1 Timothy 2:4) (KJV 1900) = All people in general = not just Jews but gentiles too.

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9) (KJV 1900) = not willing that any of us should perish but all come to repentance.
Saved persons do not need to come to repentance.

ALL as a type. Yes, I know that routine.
I can't go on with this forever.
OR we could take one letter at a time and discuss...
but not now. (if you want to do this,,,let's start with the T)
 

GodsGrace

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2 Peter
Are persons who have to come to repentance believers?
verse 9b

No matter what we want to say,,,it still states that God does not wish for any to perish. We do have a loving God, after all. Not a wicked one, which God would have to be to send some to hell for no reason at all.

1 Timothy
Please read again...paying attention to verse 2:1-3
WHO is Paul saying to pray for?
ALL MEN. Kings, all who are in authority...

God is a loving God and wishes all men to be saved...

John 3:20-21
Sounds like a choice to me...

John 5:40
Sounds like a choice to me...

John 8:51
Sounds like a choice...

John 10:3-4
Ditto...

John 11:25-26
Ditto...

John 12:32

I could go on forever.
And this is JESUS speaking.
must go now...please answer.
All these verses mean nothing to you?
I find TULIP utterly amazing in its deception and lies and incorrect doctrine.
 
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Dave L

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A house divided against itself cannot stand.
Are we blaspheming the Holy Spirit???
What if the results are beneficial to God??
Scripture is God's word. Anything else of a revelatory nature comes from the pit.
 
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Dave L

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Saved persons do not need to come to repentance.

ALL as a type. Yes, I know that routine.
I can't go on with this forever.
OR we could take one letter at a time and discuss...
but not now. (if you want to do this,,,let's start with the T)
He's speaking about those written in the book of life coming to repentance.
 

GodsGrace

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He's speaking about those written in the book of life coming to repentance.
I'm not saying god didn't foreknow but He did not predestine.
Anyway Rev tells us a name can be deleted.

Sorry, on phone.
 
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Dave L

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I'm not saying god didn't foreknow but He did not predestine.
Anyway Rev tells us a name can be deleted.

Sorry, on phone.
It does not say any name can be deleted. God promises not to delete the names.

“All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” (John 6:37) (KJV 1900)
 

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It does not say any name can be deleted. God promises not to delete the names.

“All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” (John 6:37) (KJV 1900)
Jesus will NEVER cast anyone out who desires to remain with Him.
Of course, our free will gives us the capability to walk out.
 
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Dave L

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Jesus will NEVER cast anyone out who desires to remain with Him.
Of course, our free will gives us the capability to walk out.
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:9–10) (KJV 1900)
 

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“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:9–10) (KJV 1900)
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What does this have to do with my post to you?
 

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I think some churches are definitely of the wrong spirit.

Yes and I think that includes people as well. We have to be careful that it is not us or are judged to be of the wrong spirit by people who intimately know God and His ways.
 

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I agree with Dave L here.
HOW do you know when you're hearing the RHEMA, and when you're hearing your own voice?

I think you're very lucky to know the difference so well; not putting you down for it.
I just think some persons don't know the difference and it CAN be dangerous.

Also, I don't care for WoF because when someone does NOT get healed, somehow or other it's THEIR fault -- not enough faith,,,some sin,,,didn't pray properly,,,etc.

So we go from everything being God's fault ...calvinism
to everything being our fault...WoF

Funny stuff.

Dave was referring to what Hagin teaches, not what WOF teaches. I'm with you on WOF. I'm against Dave's abuse of Hagin. And I teach WOFers that you must receive rhemas. Hagin has been gone quite a while, and the WOF church evolved downhill, but it is coming back up to the truth about waiting on the Lord and listening for His rhemas. It has gone from the original teaching about rhemas from Hagin, to name it and claim it from Charles Capps. Here is the main verse.

1 John 15:7
7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.

We westerners see the word, "words," and see that as long as you are a Christian and believe the Bible, the word of God, anything you want must be given to you if you just have enough faith. That is WOF. It makes God our slave. WRONG! The word is not logos, as in Bible, but rhema - a specific spoken word, and in this case directly from Jesus. Therefore, He tells you what He desires for you, and that desire becomes your desire, you pray His words to your spiritual ears and it comes to pass.

I understand your objection to everyone saying, God told me so and so to validate what they are saying. The only way to know if someone is actually discerning God's voice, over their own, is through answers.

In my case, God interrupts my own thoughts with His voice. They are not my own thoughts. That is how I know it is from Him. After 41 years, I KNOW His voice. And when He starts speaking, LISTEN. Ask God to teach you through experience. It is the only way you know 100% that your prayer will be answered, and it is.
 

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Are you saying there are prophets today?
Like in the O.T. and the N.T.

WHO are they?
Prophecy ended with Jesus..otherwise, we should read up the Qu'ran
and that book by Joseph Smith and some others...

As I said in an earlier post to Farouk, prophets today speak out on the fulfillment of the original prophecies. John prophecied, and so did Paul. Revelation is one long prophecy, so prophecy didn't end with Jesus. On the Day of Pentecost, Peter prophesied that what they were witnessing was a fulfillment of Joel 2. That is what our prophets today do. Jonathan Cahn is one you might like to watch regarding Donald Trump. Lance Wallnau is another good prophet on Trump.
 

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We're not talking about healing. Only the "charismatic gifts" now replaced by scripture. You are in the devil's domain if you go beyond scripture for your insights.

1 Corinthians 12 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.

Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.
 

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We still have many dead in the WOF movement unheard of in the NT.

At least the WOF is a hot church and sees more miracles than failures. Their doctrine just needs one tweak, and that is, it is not their will, but God's will, and to wait on the Lord. Those that have begun to do that, see success. Far better that, than no expectation of ever seeing God work on their behalf as in the Reformation dead churches, that believe their lack of experience is scriptural. Far from it.