Simply Written

[soul man]

1 Corinthians 1:30,

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

There are those with the mind-set in Christianity; Christ is made unto us these things if I can figure out how to make them work.
A better name for this kind of thinking is doer religion. I must do something to make it work. I believe every believer will go through this at one time or another in their walk with God.
We feel like there is something I can do to make all this all fit together. As you grow in grace and knowledge most believers walk out of this type of understanding.
I don't really understand what is so hard to understand about the simple straight forward word of God. I know in my study through the years I have turned my head this way and back like I was looking at an abstract painting.
Instead of reading like it is written, I knew God surely had some kind of hidden agenda. Some great mystery that I must uncover.
There is nothing wrong with searching the scriptures, it is what you do, for in it you have life.
We need understanding of what we are searching for, as well as where to search.
The things of God are not hidden anymore, they are revealed. The great mystery of God (if you will) is solved.
It is written in plain black and white english.
Now by the time I get through interpreting it and put my twist on it here and there, no wonder I'm confused.
You cannot stress the fact enough of how important the HolySpirit is to your understanding.
Just because you have the HolySpirit as your teacher does not mean you are yielded to Him.
The little word "yield" will possibly be the hardest thing you do in your Christian walk.
We all feel like we are yielded to the HolySpirit untill He begins to move you along in your understanding, your first thought will be "that can't be God it doesn't fit what I believe."
From the time you believed you needed a Savior untill now your Father has been working with you to correct your thinking.
Paul would call it mind renewal, getting the mind of Christ to go along with your new birth.
Many are still trying to figure out how to make salvation work, and even wonder at times if their saved.
The many doctrines that come out of ignorance can never over power the love your Father has for you.
He never quits me, He is dealing with my understanding and sometimes it hurts.
Thing about correction is no matter if you are right or wrong you are going to go through correction.
So don't try to make it work, simply let it flow from your inner most being.
Everything a believer is looking for is summed up in understanding Christ is our only life revealed by the HolySpirit.

 

[Episkopos]

1 Corinthians 1:30,

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

The key word here is IN Christ Jesus...it is a little word that describes something that the churches have been missing for a long time. Being IN Christ here...means to be WHERE He is. We are born spiritually in Zion...from above..the New Jerusalem.

But just as salmon fight to go upriver to spawn...so we are to make our way to live in Zion with Christ. So we are to lead holy lives from HIS location.

When we are living in Christ where He is...we have His perspective so that we see as He sees. Then we can say along with John...As He is so are we in this world.

People look for a doctrinal stance or religious belief in vain. There is a life whereby Jesus said...I am the way, the truth, and the life. Those who enter into Him have all these things.

So we get easily confounded by the words that seek to take us into a different realm...the kingdom of God. We try to relate these words to something we already possess. But it is a superficial effort. It is hard to believe that God would have us to go and see where He lives. It takes real faith to do it. But Jesus has made the way. All we have to do is to enter into Him and we're there.

 

[bbyrd009]

There are those with the mind-set in Christianity; Christ is made unto us these things if I can figure out how to make them work.
A better name for this kind of thinking is doer religion. I must do something to make it work. I believe every believer will go through this at one time or another in their walk with God.
We feel like there is something I can do to make all this all fit together.

well after all let's admit that changing your mind is pretty hard work

Instead of reading like it is written, I knew God surely had some kind of hidden agenda.

amen!
i would say the hidden agenda is made plain wadr,
Matthew 11:25 Lexicon: At that time Jesus said, "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants.

It is written in plain black and white english.

hmm. i agree. so is "stay here for the present" i guess

Thing about correction is no matter if you are right or wrong you are going to go through correction.

if you are right you are going to be corrected, sm?

So don't try to make it work, simply let it flow from your inner most being.

man, this sounds good, and there is a sense imo in which this is possible, at least until we found the world.
So i would like to ask you to expound here if you would, so that maybe you will say enough to hang yourself define this "present" for me a little better, maybe.

i do appreciate the spirit here though, prolly i'm gonna crash and burn on the merits lol

 

[soul man]

well after all let's admit that changing your mind is pretty hard work
amen!
i would say the hidden agenda is made plain wadr,
Matthew 11:25 Lexicon: At that time Jesus said, "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants.
hmm. i agree. so is "stay here for the present" i guess
if you are right you are going to be corrected, sm?
man, this sounds good, and there is a sense imo in which this is possible, at least until we found the world.
So i would like to ask you to expound here if you would, so that maybe you will say enough to hang yourself define this "present" for me a little better, maybe.

i do appreciate the spirit here though, prolly i'm gonna crash and burn on the merits lol[/QUOTE

Thank ye, I'll have to respond in the morning :-)

 

[soul man]

if you are right you are going to be corrected, sm?

You know man is always right in his own eyes
Sound doctrine will get harder and harder to come by. I love the modern age of technology, we really get to see where people are at in their understanding and how the lord has fixed it where no man can know on their own. The more the world heats up the more grace abounds, powerful what He has done. Circumstances and situations come to an individual regardless of their knowledge. According to Gal. 4:1-2 our Father who birthed us is making sons (maturing) to live is His house, John 14, in my Father's house
Jesus said.

man, this sounds good, and there is a sense imo in which this is possible, at least until we found the world.
So i would like to ask you to expound here if you would, so that maybe you will say enough to hang yourself define this "present" for me a little better,

We are always going to "found the world" so to speak because we are in the world. Religion would preach the living of holy lives and then live quite the opposite, that is what the world see's. The fantasy of man conquering their flesh is a total fallacy. Why would man dream of living some kind of life that is separate from who they are when the only life accepted by God is the Christ-life. The life of Christ in you the hope of glory. He nailed Adam to the cross, so what we have is a bunch of dead men walking claiming their alive. Pure fantasy, Adam still trying to get saved some how when he was killed out at the cross. Of coarse men claim if that were so they would not have a struggle in life and live a self life still ignorant of their death in Christ. In turn that brings on the C and S gang of circumstances and situations because your Father lovingly does not want His son living a lie. So the inner life is Christ and out of your belly shall flow rivers of living water. Out of the knowledge (revelation) that Christ lives in you expressed as your creation, that is life. There is no other life than Christ in you living His character and personally, that is the fruit of the Spirit.

 

[bbyrd009]

You know man is always right in his own eyes

ok...moving on

The fantasy of man conquering their flesh is a total fallacy. Why would man dream of living some kind of life that is separate from who they are when the only life accepted by God is the Christ-life.

this perception is addressed dialectically in Scripture several ways i think, "The flesh profits nothing" being one example, bc we can see that the intent there is really "works done from the perspective of the flesh are not profitable; flesh thinking profits nothing." In "Life, more abundantly" the flesh is the only thing that profits, and we could examine many, many Christians concepts that reflect this, from the promises given to Abraham all the way to the Revelation of Christ. Now those believers who are actually Cult of Sol adherents and seek Death More Abundantly will not be able to agree, but neither will they be able to come here and demonstrate their pov Scripturally imo

 

[soul man]

this perception is addressed dialectically in Scripture several ways i think, "The flesh profits nothing" being one example, bc we can see that the intent there is really "works done from the perspective of the flesh are not profitable; flesh thinking profits nothing."

The flesh and blood body is necessary to earth living. I know your talking about fleshly acts or sins of the flesh. So body is not a bad thing, it was designed and capable to contain Christ, another living in us. That's why paul use's the terminology "Christ in you."
The two have become one by a birthing by the Father. So we can say Christian's are who they are by a birthing and not by anything they do, that is the snare of religion. Trying to make christians by lifestyle, keeping sacraments, baptism, law, or any number of acts to make you who you are.
When God all along has birthed the believer to be His own offspring. The believer ignorant of God literally birthing them can spend a lifetime in relion trying to make it work, what a trick played on the children of the Father.

 

[bbyrd009]

So we can say Christian's are who they are by a birthing and not by anything they do, that is the snare of religion.

Little children, do not be deceived?

Trying to make christians by lifestyle, keeping sacraments, baptism, law, or any number of acts to make you who you are.

i agree that religious observance is condemned, but i disagree at keeping the law wadr. @ "baptism" imo it depends upon how we are defining that, the literal one i would deem "religious observance."

 

[soul man]

Sins of the flesh is when the believer gives their mind to the body. To do this you must first take the mind from Christ in you. So basically we are looking at the greatest love affair that mankind can have, it is with tge Christ in you, that is your keeper because you are free to live anyway you want but that gets you back in the Father's schoolhouse, He does spank His children.
So this is all based on love, your doing comes from love not expecting anything but appreciate how your Father takes care of you.

 

[soul man]

i agree that religious observance is condemned, but i disagree at keeping the law wadr. @ "baptism" imo it depends upon how we are defining that, the literal one i would deem "religious observance.

Mans water baptism. We are baptized into Christ the moment we believed

 

[bbyrd009]

Mans water baptism.

well i can read of a "man's" water baptism too, certainly, so i dunno

We are baptized into Christ the moment we believed

i'm not sure that is the standard at all myself. If demons even have faith and tremble, what might come of your beliefs?

 

[soul man]

i'm not sure that is the standard at all myself. If demons even have faith and tremble, what might come

when would you say we are placed in Christ?

 

[bbyrd009]

when would you say we are placed in Christ?

@ Little children, do not be deceived