Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

[Waiting on him]

It's possible to be born with the Spirit and disagree, so that doesn't make sense to me...Paul opposed another disciple when Jewish believers showed up and he wouldn't eat with the others in front of them. So they did not always agree. I think they came to agreement eventually but...its like, I have the Spirit, So does Helen, so does epi, but we don't agree on every single thing. We talk amongst ourselves and we come closer, or at the least we...love and bear with one another and don't take offense or cause offense and the love He's shed in our hearts rules over different understandings. Or at least that's the best explanation I can come up with for how we manage to be peaceable with one another...

To the Op. the the religious rulers of Jesus time wished to kill him because he made himself equAl to God.

 

[Harvest 1874]

To say Jesus is equal to God has an overwhelming number of contradiction problems. I go with the least contradictory interpretation. There is no such thing as a Trinity. Triads of Gods existed in several cultures. The Babylonians, Sumerians, Hindu's and others had triads of Gods. Christianity just followed suit!

Trinity is a doctrine devised by the Catholic's in the 3-4th century that the Protestants adopted.
It's actually one of the most divisive doctrines in this debacled religion.

For more on this which you probably already know you may wish to visit our blog post on this site and view two informative articles, one entitled, “Arians and Trinitarians” and the other “The Holy Spirit”.

With respects to this erroneous doctrine we would say that thus far you have presented your case well, do not allow the foolishness of men to sway you. Lord bless

 

[Dave L]

No. There aren't three distinct persons present at Jesus' baptism. The holy spirit has no name. Jesus is there, the Father is there, the holy spirit is there but that means there's an angelic host present. NOT one single nameless person. The three being there doesn't represent co-equality. Where is it said the holy spirit is ONE separate, co-equal person?

The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father. And all three persons were present during Jesus' baptism. You cannot have a Son without a Father, or a Father without a Son.

 

[Dave L]

Ok, maybe a crazy question, but if they all three make their abode with me where does that place me. I do believe they are coequal!

“For in him [the triune God] we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.” (Acts 17:28) (KJV 1900)

 

[Waiting on him]

“For in him [the triune God] we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.” (Acts 17:28) (KJV 1900)

So that makes me a son of the most high?

 

[Waiting on him]

So that makes me a son of the most high?

Do you think it’s a man sitting on that throne?

 

[Dave L]

So that makes me a son of the most high?

“But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:12–13) (KJV 1900)

 

[Dave L]

Do you think it’s a man sitting on that throne?

Jesus is presently seated on David's Throne in heavenly Jerusalem above. As God in a glorified human body, he rules the nations of the world.

 

[Waiting on him]

Jesus is presently seated on David's Throne in heavenly Jerusalem above. As God in a glorified human body, he rules the nations of the world.

Thank you!!

 

[Waiting on him]

Thank you!!

With a rod of iron

 

[Malsi Si Live]

The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. The Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father. And all three persons were present during Jesus' baptism. You cannot have a Son without a Father, or a Father without a Son.

That's what makes the Trinity doctrine completely incoherent. I've learned over the years that the most logical and simple interpretation is usually the correct one. There's nothing logical or simple about the Trinity.

You haven't answered any of my questions. Is there a reason for that? Is it that, "you can't?"

 

[Malsi Si Live]

To the Op. the the religious rulers of Jesus time wished to kill him because he made himself equAl to God.

That was the thinking of the Pharisees. But right after Jesus expressed his subordination to God by saying he could do nothing on his own.

 

[Malsi Si Live]

“For in him [the triune God] we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.” (Acts 17:28) (KJV 1900)

You can inject the trinity anywhere you like, but it proves nothing.

 

[Waiting on him]

That was the thinking of the Pharisees. But right after Jesus expressed his subordination to God by saying he could do nothing on his own.

Meaning in the flesh

 

[Waiting on him]

Meaning in the flesh

Hence take up your cross and follow me

 

[Malsi Si Live]

Meaning in the flesh

That's irrelevant. The Trinity doctrine teaches that Jesus was 100% God and 100% man at the same time. The typical trinitarian excuse is always, "that's was his Human nature."

If the Father, Jesus, and the holy spirit were co-equal, Jesus would not have said the Father is greater, he would not have said only the Father knows the day and hour of his return, he would not have said he can do nothing of himself, and blasphemy against one would be blasphemy against the other...

And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

 

[Waiting on him]

Hence take up your cross and follow me

Wash feet!
That’s as simple as I can put it

 

[Waiting on him]

That's irrelevant. The Trinity doctrine teaches that Jesus was 100% God and 100% man at the same time. The typical trinitarian excuse is always, "that's was his Human nature."

If the Father, Jesus, and the holy spirit were co-equal, Jesus would not have said the Father is greater, he would not have said only the Father knows the day and hour of his return, he would not have said he can do nothing of himself, and blasphemy against one would be blasphemy against the other...

And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Equality!

 

[Malsi Si Live]

Equality!

Yep! One word. That really proves an argument!

 

[Waiting on him]

Yep! One word. That really proves an argument!

Philippians 2:5-9 KJV
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: [6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: [7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: [8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. [9] Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Tecarta Bible PremiumHe’s the advocate. Is he not telling me to follow his model. Or shall I come at you with a rod?