Holy Riders in the Earth (Zech. 1:7-17)

[Stranger]

Most are aware of how satan and his angels go about the earth looking to do their wickedness, whether it be to attempt to align a set of nations with them, or to destroy the people of God. (2 Thess. 2:7-9) (1 Peter 5:8) (Job 1:7)

But these are not the only ones going to and fro throughout the earth. God has His Holy Riders also. Zechariah saw these and recorded it for us. (Zech 1:8-10) "I saw by night, and behold a man riding upon a red horse, and he stood among the myrtle trees that were in the bottom; and behind him were there red horses, speckled, and white. then said I, O my lord, what are these? And the angel that talked with me said unto me, I will shew thee what these be. And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, These are they whom the LORD hath sent to walk to and from through the earth."

The conversation and the angels involved can be confusing. You have the angel that was talking with Zechariah. You have the Man among the myrtle trees. The Man among the myrtle trees is the One who answered Zechariah's question. (1:10) This Man is then identified as the angel of the LORD, which is none other than the pre-existant Christ. (Zech. 1:11) And they answered the angel of the LORD that stood among the myrtle trees, and said, We have walked to and fro throughout the earth, and, behold, all the earth sitteth still, and is at rest."

At this time the nations of the earth are at rest. But Israel is a mess and has been under the judgement of God and scattered. And this condition of Israel has the angel of the LORD concerned. He asks, (Zech. 1:12) " Then the angel of the LORD answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?"

God is always concerned with the condition of the nations in the earth. And His riders always report that condition to Him. And we see here that the Son, the angel of the LORD is asking the Father, how much longer must there be no mercy shown to Israel. This shows that the concern of the nations is always about how they are in relation to Israel. And this is why there is such great upheaval in the U.S. today. We have been an ally to Israel, and a spiritual war is going on to divide that alliance. But, God the Father sees it. And God the Son is still concerned over 'How long O LORD'.

Stranger

 

[101G]

Addressing the OP, Zechariah 6 will give you all four Horses, which correspond to the four horse Riders of Revelation chapter6. which the prophet Ezekiel in chapter 14, at verse 21 are 4 JUDGMENT. and the prophet outlined them chapter 14 verses 12-21. read them and see for yourself.

Be blessed.

 

[Stranger]

The angel of the LORD, Who is the pre-existant Christ, has asked God "how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah". (Zech. 1:12)

And God answers in (Zech. 1:13-14) "And the LORD answered the angel that talked with me with good words and comfortable words. So the angel that communed with me said unto me, Cry thou, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with a great jealousy."

Though Israel has just come through the 70 year judgement in Babylon, and is still enduring the 70 weeks of judgement, God says concerning Jerusalem and Zion, that He has good words, comfortable words to speak concerning them. He is still jealous, with great jealousy, over His people Israel.

(Zech 1:15) "And I am very sore displeased with the heathen that are at ease: for I was but a little displeased, and they helped forward the affliction." Much to consider here. Read of the destruction of Israel by Babylon and how terrible it was. Yet God says, He was just a little angry. God used the heathen nations in bringing judgement against Israel, but their being at ease in the world while His people are in a distressed state, displeases Him.

God uses nations to discipline Israel, but they do not do it because they want to obey God. They do it because they hate the Jews. Thus when the judgement begins, they go above and beyond what God would do as their hatred is inflamed. See (Is. 10:5-15).

Yet in all this, God has good and comfortable words for His people. (Zech. 1:13)

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

It is strange isn't it that God would bring judgement upon Israel, and then be displeased with the nations that contributed in that judgement. David Baron in his book, "The Visions and Prophecies of Zechariah" makes a good illustration of this. It is like if you were spanking your child and a neighbor who doesn't like your child, comes over and takes him and starts spanking him harder. Needless to say, the fight would be on.

God is angry with His people, but now He also is angry with the Gentiles who unmercifully helped in Israels judgement. See (Is. 47:1-15). This brings us to a second vision of Zechariah. That of the four horns and four carpenters. (Zech. 1:18-21)

The four horns are the nations that have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem. (Zech 1:18-19) "Then lifted I up mine eyes, and saw, and behold four horns. And I said unto the angel that talked with me, What be these? And he answered me, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem." Note here that not just Judah is mentioned, but Israel also. God has not forgotten His people.

The four carpenters are the nations that God uses against those nations which scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem. (Zech. 1:20-21) "And the LORD shewed me four carpenters. Then said I, what come these to do? And he spake, saying, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, so that no man did lift up his head: but these are come to fray them, to cast out the horns of the Gentiles, which lifted up their horn over the land of Judah to scatter it."

Even in their state of judgement, God has not forgotten His people Israel. And, is there any doubt that we are talking about Israel here? Not the Church. We who are Christian can learn from this. We know even in judgement God remembers His people. And we are certainly His people.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Zechariah is quickly given another vision. Why are these visions coming one right after another? Because they all have one theme which can be found in (Zech. 1:13) God is speaking good and comfortable words for His people Israel who have suffered much.

This next vision involves a surveyor sent to measure Jerusalem. (Zech. 2:1-2) "I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand. Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said unto me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what is the breadth thereof, and what is the length thereof." God is still concerned with the size and the destruction that was done and the rebuilding that is necessary for Jerusalem.

As to who the identity of the man with the measuring line, we are not distinctly told. I personally believe it is the same man who was the rider among the myrtle trees in (1:8) who was identified in (1:11) as the angel of the LORD, who is the pre-existent Son of God. But the lack of distinction here coupled with the several angels alluded to who are talking, makes it difficult. And we then are introduced to another angel.

(Zech. 2:3) "And,behold, the angel that talked with me went forth, and another angel went out to meet him, And said unto him, Run speak to this young man, saying Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls, for the multitude of men and cattle therein: For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her."

The young man is Zechariah the prophet. This Jerusalem addressed here goes far beyond the one existing in Zechariahs day. This Jerusalem has no walls as no walls are needed because God's presence is there as a wall of protection for her. That doesn't mean this Jerusalem speaks to the Church. It speaks to the future rebuilt Jerusalem of the millennium with Jesus Christ dwelling in the midst of it.

Stranger

 

[Enoch111]

Addressing the OP, Zechariah 6 will give you all four Horses, which correspond to the four horse Riders of Revelation chapter 6.

How did you arrive at this conclusion? Zechariah presents us with chariots described thus:And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth. (v.5). These have no relationship to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

 

[101G]

How did you arrive at this conclusion? Zechariah presents us with chariots described thus:And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth. (v.5). These have no relationship to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

First thanks for the reply, second, if one is short in understanding, yes ask....
Zechariah 6:2 "In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;

Zechariah 6:3 "And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.

Reverlation 6 ********* Zechariah 6
White Horse ********* White Horse
Red Horse ********* Red Horse
Black Horse ********* Black Horse
Pale Horse ********* Grisled and bay horses.

now go to the book of Ezekiel 14:21 God give 4 judgments, and those Judgments are described in detail in verses 12-20 which correspond to the four Judgment symbolized in Revelation chapter 6, who are horse riders, that correspond to Zechariah 6.

Now, Enoch111, find out what each of the 4 riders, the four Judgment, and the 4 horses means?

get back with me and we can discuss, and compare all the scriptures.

PICJAG.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

First thanks for the reply, second, if one is short in understanding, yes ask....
Zechariah 6:2 "In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;

Zechariah 6:3 "And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot grisled and bay horses.

Reverlation 6 ********* Zechariah 6
White Horse ********* White Horse
Red Horse ********* Red Horse
Black Horse ********* Black Horse
Pale Horse ********* Grisled and bay horses.

now go to the book of Ezekiel 14:21 God give 4 judgments, and those Judgments are described in detail in verses 12-20 which correspond to the four Judgment symbolized in Revelation chapter 6, who are horse riders, that correspond to Zechariah 6.

Now, Enoch111, find out what each of the 4 riders, the four Judgment, and the 4 horses means?

get back with me and we can discuss, and compare all the scriptures.

PICJAG.

Micah 5:7-10
[7] And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the Lord , as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men. [8] And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver. [9] Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off. [10] And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord , that I will cut off thy horses out of the midst of thee, and I will destroy thy chariots:

Do you believe these horses and chariots are sent out, before of after they are cut off?

 

[101G]

Micah 5:7-10
[7] And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the Lord , as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men. [8] And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver. [9] Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off. [10] And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord , that I will cut off thy horses out of the midst of thee, and I will destroy thy chariots:

Do you believe these horses and chariots are sent out, before of after they are cut off?

First thanks for the reply. second, I'll answer you this way. this is not the Judgment of the people of God, but their enemies, which is opposite of the 4 judgments in Revelation 6 and Ezekiel 14.

and yes, "And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord , that I will cut off thy horses out of the midst of thee, and I will destroy thy chariots". ok VJ, are the remnant of Jacob among the Gentiles today? now you have your abswer.

follow this thread because a great discussion will be made.

PICJAG.

 

[Nancy]

It is strange isn't it that God would bring judgement upon Israel, and then be displeased with the nations that contributed in that judgement. David Baron in his book, "The Visions and Prophecies of Zechariah" makes a good illustration of this. It is like if you were spanking your child and a neighbor who doesn't like your child, comes over and takes him and starts spanking him harder. Needless to say, the fight would be on.

God is angry with His people, but now He also is angry with the Gentiles who unmercifully helped in Israels judgement. See (Is. 47:1-15). This brings us to a second vision of Zechariah. That of the four horns and four carpenters. (Zech. 1:18-21)

The four horns are the nations that have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem. (Zech 1:18-19) "Then lifted I up mine eyes, and saw, and behold four horns. And I said unto the angel that talked with me, What be these? And he answered me, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem." Note here that not just Judah is mentioned, but Israel also. God has not forgotten His people.

The four carpenters are the nations that God uses against those nations which scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem. (Zech. 1:20-21) "And the LORD shewed me four carpenters. Then said I, what come these to do? And he spake, saying, These are the horns which have scattered Judah, so that no man did lift up his head: but these are come to fray them, to cast out the horns of the Gentiles, which lifted up their horn over the land of Judah to scatter it."

Even in their state of judgement, God has not forgotten His people Israel. And, is there any doubt that we are talking about Israel here? Not the Church. We who are Christian can learn from this. We know even in judgement God remembers His people. And we are certainly His people.

Stranger

Very interesting, and a whole lot to pray and study! I wouldn't even know where to begin! Lol...and AMEN HE will NEVER forget His Chosen people.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

First thanks for the reply. second, I'll answer you this way. this is not the Judgment of the people of God, but their enemies, which is opposite of the 4 judgments in Revelation 6 and Ezekiel 14.

and yes, "And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord , that I will cut off thy horses out of the midst of thee, and I will destroy thy chariots". ok VJ, are the remnant of Jacob among the Gentiles today? now you have your abswer.

follow this thread because a great discussion will be made.

PICJAG.

yes, but the weapons are cut off. The bow (man's weapon) cut of by His bow set in the clouds. what does the bow tell us? "I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be a token of a covenant between me and the earth." remember him who sets on the clouds. "And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:' The sword (of man) is cut off by the sword of God. Death cut off by life. War cut off by peace. Even famine (hunger) becomes famine of the word (hunger for God). As horses and chariots. Revelation 13:10 "He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity." … "Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."
"Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts to men."
"Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for me; yea, for the rebellious also, that the Lord God might dwell among them. Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah. He that is our God is the God of salvation; and unto God the Lord belong the issues from death."

 

[101G]

yes, but the weapons are cut off. The bow (man's weapon) cut of by His bow set in the clouds.

before I answer are you speaking of the bow in Revelation 6:2?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

before I answer are you speaking of the bow in Revelation 6:2?

no the bow set in the clouds in Genesis where God looks upon it every time a cloud passes over the earth and remembers His promise to never destroy all flesh from the earth by waters.

 

[Enoch111]

Now, Enoch111, find out what each of the 4 riders, the four Judgment, and the 4 horses means?

The last thing we need to do is force an interpretation on any passage. That is what you are attempting here.

SENT TO OBSERVE IN ZECHARIAH
And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, These are they whom the LORD hath sent to walk to and fro through the earth.(Zech 1:10).

SIGNIFYING JUDGMENTS IN REVELATION
...he went forth conquering, and to conquer
...that they should kill one another
...A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny
...to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

 

[101G]

The last thing we need to do is force an interpretation on any passage. That is what you are attempting here.

SENT TO OBSERVE IN ZECHARIAH
And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, These are they whom the LORD hath sent to walk to and fro through the earth.(Zech 1:10).

SIGNIFYING JUDGMENTS IN REVELATION
...he went forth conquering, and to conquer
...that they should kill one another
...A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny
...to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

so I can take this as you don't know what the word of God say?

is not the Holy Ghost your guide who teach us in all thing

I'm very aware of 2 Peter 1:20, the discussion is about what the Holy Spirit has taught us.

it should be the same thing.

 

[101G]

no the bow set in the clouds in Genesis where God looks upon it every time a cloud passes over the earth and remembers His promise to never destroy all flesh from the earth by waters.

yes, but the weapons are cut off. The bow (man's weapon) cut of by His bow set in the clouds

the bow there is not a weapon, nor in Rev 6:2, it is symbolic of the covenant. scripture,
Genesis 9:13 "I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth".

PICJAG

 

[VictoryinJesus]

the bow there is not a weapon, nor in Rev 6:2, it is symbolic of the covenant. scripture,
Genesis 9:13 "I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth".

PICJAG

A covenant of peace set in the clouds. Can’t find the scripture right now but a bow is also is seen over the throne. It is Mercy. Depends on what you call a weapon and in whose hand the weapon is. In God’s hand ...isn’t the impossible, possible: Love is a weapon against hate. Life and weapon against death. Good a weapon against evil. The new covenant (the gospel) a weapon against sin. peace a weapon against war. In Goliath’s hand a sword meant for evil; in David’s hand becomes something else...in display His (Christ) Reign over the enemy. Water and fire that destory in the temporal become Water and fire(Spirit) and the very things one must be born of to know Him. Concerning the bow of Revelation are the arrows not children He has hidden in His quiver?

Who sets on the cloud? Revelation 14:13-14 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. [14] And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

 

[101G]

2 Corinthians 10:3 "For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

2 Corinthians 10:4 "(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

2 Corinthians 10:5 "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

2 Corinthians 10:6 "And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Who sets on the cloud? Revelation 14:13-14 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. [14] And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Matthew 26:64 "Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

PICJAG.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

2 Corinthians 10:3 "For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

2 Corinthians 10:4 "(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

2 Corinthians 10:5 "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

2 Corinthians 10:6 "And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Matthew 26:64 "Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Daniel 7:13 "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

PICJAG.

Even so, Amen.

Revelation 22:20-21
[20] He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. [21] The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

James 2:17
[17] Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

John 12:24
[24] Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

 

[Stranger]

Very interesting, and a whole lot to pray and study! I wouldn't even know where to begin! Lol...and AMEN HE will NEVER forget His Chosen people.

Appreciate your encouraging words.

I would begin at the beginning. Get a good study Bible. Get a good commentary set. J.Vernon McGee has a good set out. Get a pen and paper and take notes as you go through, as though you were sitting in his class room.

Stranger