The Gospel Of Israel

[soul man]

Written by Erwin Redinger


Some people preach two gospels, one for the Jews and one for. The Gentiles. They believe the Jews. are the chosen people of God and. Therefore must be handled differently from the Gentiles. When a Jew gets converted to Christ, they put him on a pedestal, and one gets the impression that they stand in awe before such a one; whereas, when a Gentile gets converted he just becomes an ordinary believer
in Christ.
Some of the Jewish believers help this understanding along when they call themselves Messianic Jews and not Christians.

By doing this they don’t identify with their fellow believers who come from a Gentile background, but they separate themselves as something apart from the Church.
This is a sad state of affairs.
Already there’s so much confusion
in the world as to who and what the
Church is, and this only adds to the confusion. It so happens that all the New Testament writers were Jews, with the exception of maybe Luke, who could have been Greek.


All these New Testament writers brought the truth of the Gospel, namely, that in Christ there is no difference. Anyone declaring that there is a difference, is contradicting what the whole of the New Testament is about. When one makes
a sharp and distinct difference between the Church and the Jews, one moves from a wrong premise, and one is bound to get lost and be tied up in all kinds of speculations and conjectures.

1. To say that Israel was before the Church is to have misunderstood the mystery of God. (Rom. 16:25,
26; Eph. 1: 9, 10; Eph. 3:9, 10; Col.
1:20-26; Col. 2:1-4; Col. 4:3; 1 Tim.
3:9; 1 Tim. 3:16.)

2. When God called Abraham He had the Church in mind. (Gen.
12:4; Gen. 17:5; Gen. 18:18; Gen.
22:18; Gen. 26:4; Gen. 28:14.)

3. Even the prophets of old longed to see and look into the mystery of God, the Church, for they only saw glimpses of it here and there. (Matt. 13:16-17.)

4. There is no Jew or Gentile in Christ. (Rom. 10:12; 1 Cor. 7:19; Col. 3:11; Gal. 3:28; Eph. 2:14-21; Eph. 3:6; Eph. 4:4-16; Jn. 17:20-21; Rom. 2:28-29; Eph. 2:11; Rom. 9:6-8; Rom. 9:24-26, 1 Cor. 1:22-24,
Acts 10:34-35; Heb. 11:39-40; Heb. 12:22-29; Rev. 2:9; Rev. 3:9; Rev. 3:21-25.)

5. The Church is the fullness of Him who fills all and in all him.
(Eph. 1:23.)

6. And the Church was in God’s heart before the foundation of the world, and was meant for His Son.
(Matt. 13:35; Matt. 25:34; Jn. 17:24; Eph. 1:4; Heb. 4:3; Heb. 9:26; 1 Peter 1:20, Rev. 13:8; Rev. 17:8.)
There is therefore no room for a
“replacement theology,” like some people teach, that the Church has replaced Israel. What God had in mind all the time is coming to pass, and will consummate in the New Jerusalem. The twelve names of the Patriarch’s on the gates represent
Israel and the names of the twelve apostles on the foundation stone represent the Church.

So the whole thing will be what Christ said it will be, namely, one fold and one Shepherd, consisting of Jews and Gentiles, and how powerfully and convincingly these things are stated in the Bible.
In Christ
1. There is neither Jew nor Gentile.
(Gal. 3:28; Jn. 17:21-23; Col. 3:1.)

2. Apart from Christ there is no
salvation, whether you lived in the Old Testament times or the New
Testament times. The efficacy of His work on the cross reaches right back to Adam (Acts 4: 12). We must get this clear, the Law saves no one (Rom. 2:16; Rom.3:20; Titus 3:9.)

3. Holding on to genealogies and statutes of the Law hinders one from knowing Christ. (Phil. 3:7-9.)

4. God broke down the middle wall of partition, so let us not to build it up again. (Eph. 2:4.)

5. We are chosen all of us, before the foundation of the world and that includes Abraham and his descendants. (Eph. 1:4; 1 Peter 1:20; Rev.17:8.)

6. To say the word “saint” in Paul’s letters refers to the Christians and then, in Revelation it suddenly refers to the Jews only, is saying the Bible is not consistent.

7. My question is, if Israel is set apart from the Church, what are they then? If someone ventures to say they are the kingdom of God, then I venture to ask, “Is the kingdom of God not part of the Church, and is the Church not part of the
kingdom of God?” Jesus preached the kingdom. He said to Nicodemus, “Unless you are born again, you cannot see the kingdom of God.” So you need to be born again to be part of the kingdom, and you
need to be born again to be part of the Church. And that applies to both Jews and Gentiles. (Rom 2:28-29; Rom. 3:9; Rom 4:16; Rom 9:6-8; Rom. 9:24-33; Rom. 10:12-13.)

 

[Dave L]

Written by Erwin Redinger


Some people preach two gospels, one for the Jews and one for. The Gentiles. They believe the Jews. are the chosen people of God and. Therefore must be handled differently from the Gentiles. When a Jew gets converted to Christ, they put him on a pedestal, and one gets the impression that they stand in awe before such a one; whereas, when a Gentile gets converted he just becomes an ordinary believer
in Christ.
Some of the Jewish believers help this understanding along when they call themselves Messianic Jews and not Christians.

By doing this they don’t identify with their fellow believers who come from a Gentile background, but they separate themselves as something apart from the Church.
This is a sad state of affairs.
Already there’s so much confusion
in the world as to who and what the
Church is, and this only adds to the confusion. It so happens that all the New Testament writers were Jews, with the exception of maybe Luke, who could have been Greek.


All these New Testament writers brought the truth of the Gospel, namely, that in Christ there is no difference. Anyone declaring that there is a difference, is contradicting what the whole of the New Testament is about. When one makes
a sharp and distinct difference between the Church and the Jews, one moves from a wrong premise, and one is bound to get lost and be tied up in all kinds of speculations and conjectures.

1. To say that Israel was before the Church is to have misunderstood the mystery of God. (Rom. 16:25,
26; Eph. 1: 9, 10; Eph. 3:9, 10; Col.
1:20-26; Col. 2:1-4; Col. 4:3; 1 Tim.
3:9; 1 Tim. 3:16.)

2. When God called Abraham He had the Church in mind. (Gen.
12:4; Gen. 17:5; Gen. 18:18; Gen.
22:18; Gen. 26:4; Gen. 28:14.)

3. Even the prophets of old longed to see and look into the mystery of God, the Church, for they only saw glimpses of it here and there. (Matt. 13:16-17.)

4. There is no Jew or Gentile in Christ. (Rom. 10:12; 1 Cor. 7:19; Col. 3:11; Gal. 3:28; Eph. 2:14-21; Eph. 3:6; Eph. 4:4-16; Jn. 17:20-21; Rom. 2:28-29; Eph. 2:11; Rom. 9:6-8; Rom. 9:24-26, 1 Cor. 1:22-24,
Acts 10:34-35; Heb. 11:39-40; Heb. 12:22-29; Rev. 2:9; Rev. 3:9; Rev. 3:21-25.)

5. The Church is the fullness of Him who fills all and in all him.
(Eph. 1:23.)

6. And the Church was in God’s heart before the foundation of the world, and was meant for His Son.
(Matt. 13:35; Matt. 25:34; Jn. 17:24; Eph. 1:4; Heb. 4:3; Heb. 9:26; 1 Peter 1:20, Rev. 13:8; Rev. 17:8.)
There is therefore no room for a
“replacement theology,” like some people teach, that the Church has replaced Israel. What God had in mind all the time is coming to pass, and will consummate in the New Jerusalem. The twelve names of the Patriarch’s on the gates represent
Israel and the names of the twelve apostles on the foundation stone represent the Church.

So the whole thing will be what Christ said it will be, namely, one fold and one Shepherd, consisting of Jews and Gentiles, and how powerfully and convincingly these things are stated in the Bible.
In Christ
1. There is neither Jew nor Gentile.
(Gal. 3:28; Jn. 17:21-23; Col. 3:1.)

2. Apart from Christ there is no
salvation, whether you lived in the Old Testament times or the New
Testament times. The efficacy of His work on the cross reaches right back to Adam (Acts 4: 12). We must get this clear, the Law saves no one (Rom. 2:16; Rom.3:20; Titus 3:9.)

3. Holding on to genealogies and statutes of the Law hinders one from knowing Christ. (Phil. 3:7-9.)

4. God broke down the middle wall of partition, so let us not to build it up again. (Eph. 2:4.)

5. We are chosen all of us, before the foundation of the world and that includes Abraham and his descendants. (Eph. 1:4; 1 Peter 1:20; Rev.17:8.)

6. To say the word “saint” in Paul’s letters refers to the Christians and then, in Revelation it suddenly refers to the Jews only, is saying the Bible is not consistent.

7. My question is, if Israel is set apart from the Church, what are they then? If someone ventures to say they are the kingdom of God, then I venture to ask, “Is the kingdom of God not part of the Church, and is the Church not part of the
kingdom of God?” Jesus preached the kingdom. He said to Nicodemus, “Unless you are born again, you cannot see the kingdom of God.” So you need to be born again to be part of the kingdom, and you
need to be born again to be part of the Church. And that applies to both Jews and Gentiles. (Rom 2:28-29; Rom. 3:9; Rom 4:16; Rom 9:6-8; Rom. 9:24-33; Rom. 10:12-13.)

The church existed before Israel. Abraham and Job were believers who assembled for worship with other believers. The OT mentions the church or congregation of the Lord over 300 times. In OT Israel it was a State/Church made up of unbelievers and believers alike. In the NT God removed the unbelievers and the State leaving only the believers in tact. This is the Church to whom believing gentiles are attached in the place of the unbelievers God removed.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

God broke down the middle wall of partition, so let us not to build it up again. (Eph. 2:4.)

“...let us not build it up again.”

 

[VictoryinJesus]

the Gospel of Israel: is Spirit. John 6:63
[63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Psalm 114:2-8
[2] Judah was his sanctuary, and Israel his dominion. (Become Spiritual: the sanctuary (Spiritual) and dominion(spiritual) [3] The sea saw it , and fled: Jordan was driven back. [4] The mountains skipped like rams, and the little hills like lambs. [5] What ailed thee, O thou sea, that thou fleddest? thou Jordan, that thou wast driven back? [6] Ye mountains, that ye skipped like rams; and ye little hills, like lambs? [7] Tremble, thou earth, at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the God of Jacob; [8] Which turned the rock into a standing water, the flint into a fountain of waters.

Acts 7:48
[48] Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

Acts 17:24
[24] God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

[2] Judah was his sanctuary, and Israel his dominion. (Becomes Spiritual: the sanctuary (Spirit) and dominion Spirit...

Hebrews 8:1-2
[1] Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; [2] A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

...the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and NOT man.

Hebrews 9:1
[1] Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

Hebrews 9:11
[11] But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

We keep trying to put back up the ‘worldly tabernacle’ and rebuilding the wall that was torn down in Christ between Jew and Gentiles.

 

[Jay Ross]

In our near future, a stone/rock will come down from heaven to become the highest mountain in all of the earth, and this rock will strike down all other religions that exist on the face of the earth such that they will become like dust and be blown away.

The highest mountain in all of the earth is called the Mountain of Israel in the OT.

 

[Dave L]

In our near future, a stone/rock will come down from heaven to become the highest mountain in all of the earth, and this rock will strike down all other religions that exist on the face of the earth such that they will become like dust and be blown away.

The highest mountain in all of the earth is called the Mountain of Israel in the OT.

References?

 

[Enoch111]

Some of the Jewish believers help this understanding along when they call themselves Messianic Jews and not Christians. By doing this they don’t identify with their fellow believers who come from a Gentile background, but they separate themselves as something apart from the Church. This is a sad state of affairs.

That's is correct. Converted Jews were not meant to separate themselves from Gentile Christians, since this violates New Testament principles.

My question is, if Israel is set apart from the Church, what are they then? If someone ventures to say they are the kingdom of God, then I venture to ask, “Is the kingdom of God not part of the Church, and is the Church not part of the kingdom of God?”

The Kingdom of God -- after the Second Coming of Christ -- will consist of (1) the Church (Jews and Gentiles in one Body) and (2) redeemed and restored Israel (the twelve tribes in the land) under the New Covenant.

What you have been looking at is the Church before the Second Coming, but there will b a finite number of Gentiles and then the Church will be complete. Also there will be a close connection between the two entities, but many things have not been fully revealed.

 

[Jay Ross]

References?

Daniel 2 and Ezekiel 34, but if your were the scholar that you claim to be you should have already known these references.

 

[Dave L]

Daniel 2 and Ezekiel 34, but if your were the scholar that you claim to be you should have already known these references.

I don't claim to be a scholar. Thanks for the references - and the insults BTW.

 

[Jay Ross]

I don't claim to be a scholar. Thanks for the references - and the insults BTW.

So your boasting of being a studious person with all of the studying that you do is not true then. Is that not a sign of a scholar?

 

[Dave L]

So your boasting of being a studious person with all of the studying that you do is not true then. Is that not a sign of a scholar?

I'm just a little guy who reads his bible and tries to share what thrills me about it.