Poll - Tattooing: from male military and biker ethos...to viable witness means for both genders?

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Tattooing: from past male military and biker ethos...to viable witness means for both genders?

  • Yes, I agree

    Votes: 6 42.9%
  • No, I disagree

    Votes: 4 28.6%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 5 35.7%
  • Rather not say

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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tzcho2

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I guess, though, the question is still relevant about whether you would deny that any blessing can result simply because the Bible verse is with ink on skin rather than ink on paper?
That is completely irrelevant. Personally , I do not believe this is God's will & people can try to float this as "christianizing" it or that they did it for Godly reason's but I'm saying at best it is being a slave to popular culture at worse it is making Satan happy by marking up what God made perfect.
 
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There is no need to needle that on your wrist to invoke conversation. I see no examples in scriptures of doing what the egyptians did for eg in order to invoke curriousity or conversations about Jesus by the disciples in order to take the message of the gospel to the Jews or gentiles.
No, but having a tattoo can sometime start a curiosity with another person, many people ask me about my butterfly , and from that I can share testimony for what God has brought me through - it doesn't always have to have a scriptural basis to be used X
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I don't agree completely- tattooing has been part of culture for many generations , it's not a new trend , it's an old one
I think what change is perhaps the stigma within Christian circles !
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Ya, I said it was old --it was a pagan thing. Briefly, historically inking was a pagan thing, some Egyptian mummies had tattoos, concubines or prostitutes (because it was thought to ward off sexual disease or show ownership), pagan shamans, pagan religous sects, in various primitive peoples, indigenous pagan warriors, for slave marking, the marks of most feared pirates, criminals, bikers, M13 gangs , drug cartels , street gangs, druglords, to mark sexual slaves, prison culture to show toughness, various criminal sects/ sailors/ military ,identifying tattoo numbers for Jews marked for Auschwitz, to the present fashion designers marketing tattooing as "art" , popular celebrities and now spread to everyone who wants to belong to pop culture. It was also used to mark herds of animals that people owned. Historically Jews & Christians didn't permanently mark their skin. Spiritually, I wonder also if this widely accepted trend is paving the way for people to easily accept the mark of the beast- what will be one more little mark??
 
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Yes, I realise that you said it was old, but my point was about you concluding that people were doing it to just follow a trend today, in others words doing it just because everyone else was-peer pressure ect.
I do not believe that tattooing is linked to ' mark of the beast '
The Egyptians and other pagans also wore make up, something that most women use these days, although I must admit I do not use that much. In many respects that can be deemed in the same way, and the wearing of Jewery ect- many things we do today is rooted in the past and paganism, but it's the motive and reasoning behind it that has perhaps changed.
Personally I see the wearing of make up and appearance as being a bigger issue and problem , more of an idol than getting tattoos .
I do get what you are saying and I did say I didn't completely disagree with what you had said X
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No, but having a tattoo can sometime start a curiosity with another person, many people ask me about my butterfly , and from that I can share testimony for what God has brought me through - it doesn't always have to have a scriptural basis to be used X
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Its a rationalization imo.
The Bible scripture says we are to show our love and that we are set a part by God, Being Salt and Light in the world Matt 5: 13.
So , perhaps there are many other ways to start conversation , be a good neighbor , love one another, and get people's attention is by kind gestures , buying someone a coffee , helping, saying hello, handing , making eye contact or a smile.
 

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Yes, I realise that you said it was old, but my point was about you concluding that people were doing it to just follow a trend today, in others words doing it just because everyone else was-peer pressure ect.
I do not believe that tattooing is linked to ' mark of the beast '
The Egyptians and other pagans also wore make up, something that most women use these days, although I must admit I do not use that much. In many respects that can be deemed in the same way, and the wearing of Jewery ect- many things we do today is rooted in the past and paganism, but it's the motive and reasoning behind it that has perhaps changed.
Personally I see the wearing of make up and appearance as being a bigger issue and problem , more of an idol than getting tattoos .
I do get what you are saying and I did say I didn't completely disagree with what you had said X
Rita
:) People are just doing it to follow the popular trend today. They are not doing it because they dug up some Egyptian mummies and said, " Cool! I want one! "
I never said it was "linked" to the mark of the beast but postulated that the popularity and making it common place could be paving the way for people to accept the mark. I see people fail constantly in discernment and to recognize the long game that Satan is playing, he is a powerful eternal being who was created way before mankind and he knows how to influence them in every generation, little by little until he has got them exactly where he wants them.
 

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The Egyptians and other pagans also wore make up,
My comment has nothing to do with Egyptians I just used them as a pagan reference for a quick example. The Jews & Christians never took a needle to permanently mark their skin. I was giving the historical use of tattoos, it was not until recently made into a massively accepted popular culture fashion statement.
 
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Its a rationalization imo.
The Bible scripture says we are to show our love and that we are set a part by God, Being Salt and Light in the world Matt 5: 13.
So , perhaps there are many other ways to start conversation , be a good neighbor , love one another, and get people's attention is by kind gestures , buying someone a coffee , helping, saying hello, handing , making eye contact or a smile.
Of course all the above are ways of showing love , all valid and true - I doubt that people get tattoos to take the place of any of those things.
As an example I was having my teeth done at the dentist shortly after getting my tattoo done and the dentist ask me about it - it opened up a conversation that would not have come about at all, well how do you have the opportunity to show love to the dentist ( !!!!! Lol )
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I see people fail constantly in discernment and to recognize the long game that Satan is playing, he is a powerful eternal being who was created way before mankind and he knows how to influence them in every generation, little by little until he has got them exactly where he wants them.
I agree
 
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Of course all the above are ways of showing love , all valid and true - I doubt that people get tattoos to take the place of any of those things.
As an example I was having my teeth done at the dentist shortly after getting my tattoo done and the dentist ask me about it - it opened up a conversation that would not have come about at all, well how do you have the opportunity to show love to the dentist ( !!!!! Lol )
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So, for eg, say, substitute whatever you want....like say if a dead pigeon fell out of your purse when you were having your teeth done , ( :p ) your dentist might have asked you about THAT too ! and "it would have opened up a conversation about it that would not have come about at all" too. Lol!
 
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So, for eg, say, substitute whatever you want....like say if a dead pigeon fell out of your purse when you were having your teeth done , ( :p ) your dentist might have asked you about THAT too ! and "it would have opened up a conversation about it that would not have come about at all" too. Lol!
Lol, yes your right xx
 

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...having a tattoo can sometime start a curiosity with another person, many people ask me about my butterfly , and from that I can share testimony for what God has brought me through - it doesn't always have to have a scriptural basis to be used X
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In short, you've manifestly proved it works as a conversation-starter, right?

While many years ago it was very much a man thing (bikers, sailors), yet today it's not at all exclusively a man thing.
It's an established fact that it's what nurses, carers, etc., typically will do.
BluegrassRN said:
More of the nurses that I work with have tattoos than do not. On my shift, only three don't have them (of 13 nurses). We have several nurses (including myself) who have visible tattoos; one gal has them on her wrists. My hospital does not even have a policy on tattoos any longer; it's a total nonissue.
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It's an established fact from the Bible Belt that it's what many women in churches typically do:

QueenCat said:
Around here (Bible Belt), it is common, especially among evangelical Christians, for the girls under about 40 to have religious tattoos. More do than don't, especially when you get to the under 30 crowd. I hardly know any female at church that is under 30 that does not have a tattoo.
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In short, it's an established fact that, being a proven conversation-starter, the decision then to use this means as a conversation-starter is a decision that comes logically and easily to so many Christians within - or even outside - typical demographic groups (whether or not everyone might agree or disagree).

For many Christians, what parlors can do for Christians wishing to use this conversation-starting witness means is self-evident.
 

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as I have a tattoo I am going to be coming from a different prospective aren't I
Well, exactly, as you said earlier it's 'part of culture for many generations' and for you personally it's an established fact.

People use these established facts in witness when they demonstrably work, right?
 

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I try not to impose somthing on a brother or sister in Christ until I see the whole picture. A answer will come after I pray and read up on it . I can’t come up with a yes or no answer now .
Hope that makes sense.
Blessings
Bill
PS: @Laish: If you've been following the last few posts, above, clearly some people (such as @Butterfly, for example) have had a strong motivation for getting a tattoo; and it certainly works as a conversation-starter. Does this seem as if it makes sense to you, at least, in the minds of those who are so motivated?