We really CAN'T answer some of these

[bbyrd009]

But it seems to me that if one is set on reading Paul as Peter even indicated, even fluency in the original language will not help; "stay here for the present" is going to be interpreted however one wants to interpret it anyway I guess.

 

[bbyrd009]

faithfully transcribing

So see maybe that scribes are not really even the issue, so much as our ears imo; if you want to be an immortal you will interpret Eternal as "forever," and if you want to go up to heaven you will I guess agree wherever "have faith" has been replaced by "believe" in our Bibles now, and you will seek to deify Jesus and worship Him in the hope of getting there, just like the Two Greeks Jesus "hid from"

I guess I should add that I don't think I'm any more "saved" than you are though, being as how that will be read as a salvational matter to you prolly, as long as "belief" = faith?

But imo the test is simple, that being Peter's, and how does one interpret Paul?
Generally speaking, Paul is interpreted "to their destruction" right?

 

[bbyrd009]

Keep on guessing, and you will just keep on deceiving yourself. And self-deception is the worst kind of deception. I see you on this forum as a saboteur behind enemy lines, dropping bombs (IEDs) all along the way, hoping to do as much damage as he can.

So let's hear you identify your true beliefs so that everyone will know whom they are dealing with. As Jesus said, he that is not with us is against us.

pEnoch, I understand we are discussing sacred cows here ok, and that is why I am being attacked, but any concept that you or I could fwd about Tomorrow can easily be checked by other Scripture, right?

So then we seek to make Christ a liar at "My kingdom is not of this world," and " the kingdom does not come by observation" imo, in our quest for "immortality, tomorrow," or Jesus literally "returning" (why are you looking up) or wadr with any other selfish, ego-driven desire to get rewarded for what we should have been doing anyway.

And we even have examples of the Apostles (entering Jerusalem) and others, the little commie utopia thing in Acts? who demonstrate for us the wrong way and then the right way to respond to this concept, huh; are you sure you wanna go that way bro? Bc it is up to you ok

yes, I am here to do as much damage as I can to Death More Abundantly, and to point out Mithraists posing as Christian leaders wherever I can, yes

 

[bbyrd009]

It's up to me how I physically leave this world...I'm thinking you meant Spiritually?

ha well again good Q imo, we like to keep the two separate I guess huh. Jesus' instructions to the 70 and then the 12 are surely literal enough for the literalists I guess, you know any Bible- thumpers preaching that? Me neither

As the "world" in this sense meaning the "unsaved" (as some of us see as? without the only WAY?)
...stop smoking cigarettes, stop using drugs, stop having fornication's, stop gluttony, gossip, lying, drunkenness...so on and so forth. So yes, many ways to "leave the habits of the world" ♥

imo those are what we substitute for Jesus' obvious and clearly explained "Way," and how our right eyes and hands come to offend us even, by instituting these "donts" rather than performing the "dos?"

Bc imo the obv next steps there are to start pointing out whenever someone is smoking cigarettes or whatever right, as a sin? Completely ignoring that we have now put ourselves between God and them, we are now the offenders iow.

Not saying that those are not good things to quit, don't get me wrong; but I would never bring any of those up to you as my friend if you were doing them, now anyway. And even though I once quit smoking that way I would perceive it now as strictly an attempt to clean the outside of the cup, just more ego serving itself imo

an obv contrast that comes to mind here is Paul seeking to become like them in order to win them. Exactly the opposite iow right

 

[bbyrd009]

Curious: How many times is the phrase "1,000 year reign of Christ" mentioned in the Bible?

curious how many diff ways that might be interpreted myself, I'm stuck at two, can't even see the third one yet

 

[bbyrd009]

Too bad you don't believe what the Bible testifies of itself that EVERY word is chosen by God. It is the authoritive , inerrant Word of God. Do you not believe God is omnipotent to oversee the writing of His Word?

I don't really want to argue this too much, as I believe that Passover came from God, and just as obviously Easter did not. We have been progged to believe that Bible is Word for a practical reason imo, essentially to put something between God and us, as Scripture even explains, but at the same time I don't want to discourage anyone who holds Bible as Word, as that is a fine start imo.

I would just test this person who believes Bible is Word by Quoting some Bible at them and seeing how they handle it myself, check their def of Eternal and or immortal, check to see if they believe the kingdom is coming by observation, are they looking up iow, or if they believe they might go up to heaven tomorrow, etc

the truth will be revealed quick enough I guess

 

[bbyrd009]

And Jesus said Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;What kind of life would this be then...immortal or eternal life that Jesus received as a gift of His Father, and able to confer upon others?

bl, if you seek immortality and hope to go up to heaven someday then I wish you the best of luck, ok, and I suggest that you put me on ignore, Bc imo Death More Abundantly and life, more abundantly do not mix, even a little bit. The vv on a foot in both worlds or sitting on a fence are pretty clear imo.

If one believes that their ego might go up to heaven after they have died then why overcome that same ego, right? Why wouldn't I want my ego to attain immortality too? I loved Santa Claus, ok, and an "Eternal" party in heaven with Jesus sounds great to me!

It's a deceiver's pipe dream built upon our expectations ok. Imo stick with we do not yet know and trust that...God has a better idea prolly?

 

[tzcho2]

I don't really want to argue this too much, as I believe that Passover came from God, and just as obviously Easter did not. We have been progged to believe that Bible is Word for a practical reason imo, essentially to put something between God and us, as Scripture even explains, but at the same time I don't want to discourage anyone who holds Bible as Word, as that is a fine start imo. I would just test this person who believes Bible is Word by Quoting some Bible at them and seeing how they handle it myself, check their def of Eternal and or immortal, check to see if they believe the kingdom is coming by observation, are they looking up iow, or if they believe they might go up to heaven tomorrow, etcthe truth will be revealed quick enough I guess

No we have not been programmed to believe that the Bible is the Word of God--the opposite of that belief, is the Truth. We have been programmed to Doubt it. It's obvious by your comments that your opinions have been influenced greatly by other things, & other spiritual sources. If anyone doesn't believe the Bible's testimony of itself - they are disbelieving God, they are questioning the words of Jesus, Apostle Paul , and Peter and John etc .
Imo, because I know from the change in me, before and after, if a person doesn't know the Bible is the literal God-breathed inerrant authoritative word , they only know of the Son, they don't know Him personally.
The problem is there are many who hold so tightly to their own beliefs, opinions and preconceived definitions and that they do not approach the Bible with earnestness,as God's one and only Authoritative source, but in holding their own opinions as hallowed and inerrant instead, they subject the Bible to their own wills. It is apparent in the handling of the Bible scripture, who are submitted & lead by the Holy Spirit and who have been lead by their intellect or other "movements",

 

[brakelite]

You see, the author is trying to address the insane idea that many "Christians" hold to that "The Law" is only binding if it is repeated again in the New Testament.

Some "insane" Christians think the same regarding Sabbath observance. A commandment, even one of the ten, for which is claimed there is no NT admonishment re observance thus in their mind sufficient evidence that the Sabbath commandment is no longer a literal, but a "spiritual" day, whatever that means.

 

[bbyrd009]

No we have not been programmed to believe that the Bible is the Word of God--the opposite of that belief, is the Truth.

well, so you say, but you cannot Quote wadr, imo for the simple reason that it is not quite true. Scripture is God-Breathed, and I do not deny this ok. But I can maintain that those who insist Bible is Word will not address the Bible that is Quoted at them, and you are reading the proof right now I guess

We have been programmed to Doubt it. It's obvious by your comments that your opinions have been influenced greatly by other things, & other spiritual sources. If anyone doesn't believe the Bible's testimony of itself - they are disbelieving God, they are questioning the words of Jesus, Apostle Paul , and Peter and John etc .
Imo, because I know from the change in me, before and after, if a person doesn't know the Bible is the literal God-breathed inerrant authoritative word , they only know of the Son, they don't know Him personally.
The problem is there are many who hold so tightly to their own beliefs, opinions and preconceived definitions and that they do not approach the Bible with earnestness,as God's one and only Authoritative source, but in holding their own opinions as hallowed and inerrant instead, they subject the Bible to their own wills. It is apparent in the handling of the Bible scripture, who are submitted & lead by the Holy Spirit and who have been lead by their intellect or other "movements",

i guess the tests are pretty simple here, do you believe you might become an Immortal? Do you believe you might go up to heaven after you have literally died? Do you believe the kingdom will come by observation, or that Jesus might literally come in the literal clouds, that you should be looking up into the sky? Etc. And no, I don't really expect you to address them this time either, ok

 

[brakelite]

bl, if you seek immortality and hope to go up to heaven someday then I wish you the best of luck, ok, and I suggest that you put me on ignore, Bc imo Death More Abundantly and life, more abundantly do not mix, even a little bit. The vv on a foot in both worlds or sitting on a fence are pretty clear imo.

If one believes that their ego might go up to heaven after they have died then why overcome that same ego, right? Why wouldn't I want my ego to attain immortality too? I loved Santa Claus, ok, and an "Eternal" party in heaven with Jesus sounds great to me!

It's a deceiver's pipe dream built upon our expectations ok. Imo stick with we do not yet know and trust that...God has a better idea prolly?

I have never put anyone on ignore. I'm not starting now simply because we have a slight disagreement on expectations. Life more abundantly is merely training for death more abundantly...or life eternal realised. I know you don't believe death is the end. So the hope of a resurrection is something you and I wpould agree to at least. What takes place after that is perhaps open to debate, but not conjecture. I think the Bible has sufficient, not a lot, but sufficient evidence to suggest time in heaven before we inherit the earth...but certainly not this one.

 

[tzcho2]

It really is ineffective to try and create Strawmen from our own notions that were never expressed by another poster.Likewise, we should try not to add attributes to the Bible that God did not state.

By your posts you don't believe the Bible is God's Authoritative Word either, so no surprises here.

 

[bbyrd009]

I have never put anyone on ignore. I'm not starting now simply because we have a slight disagreement on expectations. Life more abundantly is merely training for death more abundantly...or life eternal realised. I know you don't believe death is the end. So the hope of a resurrection is something you and I wpould agree to at least. What takes place after that is perhaps open to debate, but not conjecture. I think the Bible has sufficient, not a lot, but sufficient evidence to suggest time in heaven before we inherit the earth...but certainly not this one.

ah, certainly not, ok then

fwiw I would go ask Preach what he said when you were coming up out of that water, generally speaking right before you went to Lubys and then right back to (your) old life, which I have yet to witness having "died" that day in anyone either. Sure wasn't me anyway.

And I gotta say I was not only convinced but also even taught that I was saved, I would become an immortal Tomorrow, I would ascend to heaven someday, all of the things we generally believe, that Scripture speaks directly against!

So fwiw I would completely abandon your hopes of Death More Abundantly, as much as practically possible, and trust that the sorrow you will surely experience from the knowledge might turn to joy, later. Bc you and your sons will be here with me regardless of what either of us choose to believe I guess see

 

[bbyrd009]

As a rule whenever you hear "the Bible is God's Authoritative Word," you are about to get hosed imo, and by someone who will not go anywhere near any Bible you might choose to Quote at them too I guess. I began this by writing "general rule" but imo it is pretty hard-and-fast, can't think of any exceptions in my experience

 

[tzcho2]

well, so you say, but you cannot Quote wadr, imo for the simple reason that it is not quite true. Scripture is God-Breathed, and I do not deny this ok. But I can maintain that those who insist Bible is Word will not address the Bible that is Quoted at them, and you are reading the proof right now I guess
i guess the tests are pretty simple here, do you believe you might become an Immortal? Do you believe you might go up to heaven after you have literally died? Do you believe the kingdom will come by observation, or that Jesus might literally come in the literal clouds, that you should be looking up into the sky? Etc. And no, I don't really expect you to address them this time either, ok

Funny, you are giving the perfect example.
My beliefs are informed, taught by, subjected to & reproved by the Word of God, not by any person's erroneous definitions. The latter is the faulty intellectual, or faulty spiritual, or faulty religious traditions of men.

 

[bbyrd009]

Funny, you are giving the perfect example.
My beliefs are informed, taught by, subjected to & reproved by the Word of God, not by any per

Cool, then why do you keep avoiding the Scriptures I have asked you to address, again?
Bc I do not know, ok.
You purport to know, so I ask, but get no answer?

 

[tzcho2]

Cool, then why do you keep avoiding the Scriptures I have asked you to address, again?
Bc I do not know, ok.
You purport to know, so I ask, but get no answer?

You've given no scriptures. But,You Do keep giving your Own Personal Opinions of meaning of words used in scripture to test me against YOUR opinions. Sorry but Your own hallowed personal spiritual opinion is meaningless to me.

 

[tzcho2]

You purport to know,

No , that is False. I never purported "to know" , I've stated over, and over that THE SCRIPTURE testifies & knows, it alone is God's Holy, inerrant Authoritative Word.

 

[bbyrd009]

You've given no scriptures. But,You Do keep giving your Own Personal Opinions of meaning of words used in scripture to test me against YOUR opinions. Sorry but Your own hallowed personal spiritual opinion is meaningless to me.

Sorry but I Quoted directly. Have a nice day ok

 

[bbyrd009]

No , that is False. I never purported "to know" , I've stated over, and over that THE SCRIPTURE testifies & knows, it alone is God's Holy, inerrant Authoritative Word.

then why deflect @
There is only One Immortal
No one has ever gone up to heaven
? Those are Scripture, I didn't imagine them or make them up or anything, right
I gave absolutely no opinion on them whatsoever, in fact would like to see anyone give an opinion on them, bam pls give me your opinion! I'm just Quoting them see, that's usually (as in always, without fail, so far) plenty! Well or at least I have yet to ever get any further lol, hmm wonder why!

and Paul disagrees with what you have stated over and over to boot I guess ok, no offense, when he quotes from many other Scriptures that are not in our Bible

As I said, whenever someone insists that Bible is Word it is always, always always so that they may then institute themselves between God and everyone else via their also "inerrant" interpretations, while also avoiding any Scriptural questions directed at them via some deflection or other, so reliably that it is a rule imo