Atheist objections to evidence for God's existence

[Vince]

The works done in order to achieve salvation are what God considers as filthy rags...the things you do for others is awesome, and highly commendable!... and I DO hope you continue in them and, as you've said, you do these things out of compassion and empathy and NOT to "buy" salvation, lol...keep it up ♥

Maybe so but Reggie does.

 

[bbyrd009]

careful you don't find yourself with all the answers tho k

 

[Nancy]

Maybe so but Reggie does.

Possibly so but, I read very little of his posts, lol.

 

[Deborah_]

What are those reasons for believing the god of the bible exists?

I've nothing to add to what has already been said. Basically, they boil down to two:
Creation
Jesus

But you've already said that you consider that evidence inadequate, so that's just too bad. Nobody's hiding anything from you. There's nothing else on offer.

I agree. But it still says to believe in what you hope for. Your hope in the afterlife says nothing about the reality of that afterlife.

It doesn't say, "believe in what you hope for." It says, "faith is confidence in what we hope for". It's a statement, not an instruction.
And neither faith nor hope are in themselves evidence for God or an afterlife. We agree that they are valid only if grounded in truth. As the apostle Paul wrote, if Christ has not been raised from the dead, our faith is futile.

Why do you attribute your changed life to God.

Because there is no other plausible cause.

 

[bbyrd009]

Atheist, agnostic, exists, is, gee I wonder what that tongues thing is all about

 

[OzSpen]

If it was good evidence I would accept it. You think that we can choose our beliefs or choose to accept evidence. That is untrue. We either are convinced by it or we are not. "Look at the trees" is not evidence of god as the bible seems to believe.

So, what is 'good evidence' that you require to demonstrate God exists?

 

[Enoch111]

So, what is 'good evidence' that you require to demonstrate God exists?

What could be better evidence for the existence of God than the unchanging precise mathematical principles that are embedded in every part of the universe? There could be no natural laws without a Lawgiver, and there could be no mathematics unless there was a divine Mathematician.

Indeed Sir Isaac Newton (one of the few geniuses who ever lived) wrote
Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy (Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica) because mathematics governs everything in the universe.

The existence of fractals throughout nature is proof positive that there is a mathematical pattern and precision in everything.

"Fractals, first named by mathematician Benoit Mandelbrot in 1975, are special mathematical sets of numbers that display similarity through the full range of scale — i.e., they look the same no matter how big or how small they are. Another characteristic of fractals is that they exhibit great complexity driven by simplicity — some of the most complicated and beautiful fractals can be created with an equation populated with just a handful of terms..."


Nautilus Shell

14 amazing fractals found in nature

 

[bbyrd009]

The absence of life anywhere else is apparently the de facto proof for most scientists? although no scientist is really saying as much, there a few coming close--you kind of have to read between the lines there. Obviously I guess "we're looking for proof that God doesn't exist" doesn't make for the best grant title. Can't see how they could pull it off, but wouldn't surprise me any if life was "discovered" somewhere...right about the time the $ finishes crashing, what, 6-8 years maybe? They'd have to set up a JSmith/Moroni thing somehow I guess

 

[bbyrd009]

"
יון II
The unused and assumed root יון (ywn II) yields a word that's much more common in the Bible: the feminine noun יונה (yona), meaning dove or pigeon (Leviticus 1:14, Isaiah 38:14).

Perhaps the flight of the dove — rather erratic and not very vigorous — reminded the Hebrew poets of the course of a drunken person, and in turn of the mire in which no foothold is found. When Noah released a dove from the Ark, she found no foothold (Genesis 8:9). The prophet Hosea likened Ephraim to a silly dove (Hosea 7:11) because Ephraim ran after Egypt, then after Assyria. Even the prophet Jonah (whose name is identical to the word יונה, yona, meaning dove) vacillated between Tarshish and Nineveh after God had called him (Jonah 1:2-3).

Solomon likened the eyes of the bride with doves (Song of Solomon 1:15), and that is remarkable because Jesus besmirched the eyes of the blind man with mud (JOHN 9:6). In addition Paul writes that God's works can be clearly understood by what can be seen (ROMANS 1:20). By Law of Moses, people who could not afford a lamb were allowed to offer two doves for purification (Leviticus 5:7).

But the grand finale of this word יונה (yona) is the descension of the Holy Spirit upon Jesus; in the form of a dove (MATTHEW 3:16).

The functions of the Holy Spirit are legion of course but possibly he chose the appearance of a dove to indicate that God brings people together by their weaknesses and not by their strengths, and the fabric of Truth is uncertainty, contrary to deterministic certainty. The mind of Christ is not about knowing all things down to the minutest facts, but being alive in a whole new way. Being able to waver is a quality of life; lifeless objects travel by straight, predictable lines..." Wine in the Bible: wine and the mind

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

If you and your god think feeding the hungry, taking care of the homeless, getting people healthcare they cannot afford, stopping trafficking, saving peoples lives by operations and medical care, protecting innocent people, standing up for people who have no power, fighting racism, taking people in that are homeless etc. etc. are filthy rags and are not good things to do because I don't believe he exists, then he is immoral. Because non believers do all of these things. Would you rather have an atheist surgeon operating on you or Benny Hinn? So you and your god can call us imbeciles and fools but I will keep helping people just the same because I have empathy and compassion for others.

Satan !

Any idiot can do what you are claiming.
Jesus said that you must exceed that of the Pharisees, to enter into the Kingdom of God and you see dear Vince that's what Christians are on about, the Kingdom of God, not the kingdom of Man.

You do not understand that mans works do not cut it.

When one is in Christ all falls into place like clock work perfectly and you don't have all the problems that Sin has created in the first place.

What one as you have just put forward is coming from the position of a moron in fact and totally lost as to Christ Jesus.

Everything that is not done in Jesus Christ, just does not cut the mustard in fact.

The Devil does just as you do, makes out that he is above God and is claiming his own works as his glory.

I had a Atheist mate that had 2 kidney transplants and sadly he only gave phrase to the works of man and rejected Jesus Christ totally and died full of malice. what a fool he was when I look back on his life, he was a disgrace, not to mention that he took pleasure in such, being a total moron to his wife and her kid and all around him. oh but for respect for the doctors who saved his life, but sadly he lost his Soul ? who gives one life in the first place eh ? who gives people their gifts ? oh no to hell with that fact, I am the measure of man they say, what BS ! a Christian give all the phrase to God, because he is the wellspring of all. one can thank the doctor but the Doctor truly should give phrase to God for his gifts.

In the words of Jesus Christ, "YOU CAN DO NOTHING WITHOUT ME." everything outside of Jesus Christ just does not cut it.
One has to remember that Jesus means Saviour and that Christ means Lord, he is your Lord and Saviour and nothing can come close to such a thing.

One must put all your faith and trust in him only and only him shall you serve.
You see dear Vince In the Kingdom of God, one will not have Satan as their master like Atheist sadly only serve.
As I said before Satan is a welcomed body to the carnal man, because he is under the deceptions of such that will only lead to the downfall of Man.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Mans works only ends up with madness and nonsense of morons like Hitler and the Communist because they serve themselves and it becomes a rudderless ship of fools that's lost and condemned to hellfire.

 

[Taken]

No, what you have done is dishonest.

Resorting to accusations, UGH!

You changed my question to another question and then dismissed it based on your new question.

No, I did not change your question.
I gave a different persepective, and said so.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

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Vince said:

I will take this as a non answer to "Can you believe the moon is made of cheese?"

I have no EVIDENCE the moon is made of cheese, for me to believe the moon is made of cheese.

The one (moon) that is 239,000 miles form earth that has human footprints on it.

I have no EVIDENCE of the distance of the moon from the Earth.

The moon visibly appears closer and farther away at different times.
EVIDENCE...my own vision of observation.

With man-made tools and calibrations, Scientests estimate the moon at given times is between 225,623 miles and 252,088 miles depending on it's orbital position.
The average distance or otherwise the moon's claimed most constant distance (via NASA) is 238, 855 miles from the earth.

So you claiming the moon IS 239, 000 miles from earth, is YOUR EVIDENCE, from some unnamed source, that YOU CHOOSE TO BELIEVE, and declare as a FACT, (by the way without the COMPLETE claims, that that is a regularly fluctuating number) and I find completely Irrelevant to the OP.

I 100% disagree. As shown by the question above that you refuse to answer. You believe things for reasons and are convinced based on evidence.

Your QUESTION had nothing to do with the OP.

Glory to God,
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Vince said;

I cannot choose to believe things I have a high level of confidence are untrue.

It is already ESTABLISHED people BELIEVE things on a "basis" of MULTIPLE things....

YOU have expressed YOU require "SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE" before you will CHOOSE Believe it.

And I "CHOOSE" to believe what I believe based ON; desire, plausible evidence, trust, and the results of my having believed.

Glory to God,
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Vince said ~

Same with God, I cannot make myself believe he exists.

Okay. That is your claim.
And my claim is I DO believe God exists.

So, we disagree. And that has already been established.

So what about it?
What is it you WANT on this Forum "FROM Believers IN God" ?

Glory to God,
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Vince said:

I used to believe he existed with the evidence I had

What EVIDENCE did you "USE" to have?
And what was the "SOURCE" of the EVIDENCE you "USE" to have?

but after further information I became unconvinced.

What "ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE" did you acquire?
And what is the "SOURCE" of YOUR subsequently acquired EVIDENCE?

Glory to God,
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Vince said;

No one chooses what they truly believe.

DEAD argument.
Obviously your EVIDENCE at any particular time CHOOSES "for you", what you believe.

I on the other hand MAKE my OWN Choices, of what to Believe.

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Vince said;

You are wrong.

No. I said "I DID NOT BELIEVE what YOU SAID occured".

I would never tell anyone what they did/do ir did/do not believe. How can I possibly know?

You just did. You said I was WRONG.
How can you KNOW, I am wrong?

I believe you believe this.

So? You already established you believed something occured. And I said I don't believe it. So what? You called me wrong.

Are you completely unable to see, the difference between calling someone wrong or noticing they do not agree with you?

Glory to God,
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Vince said:

I don't trust science because other men have revealed it to me. But because I understand how it works and it has been demonstrated over and over again that it is the best path to truth.

Okay, so pointing back to your deflective (from the OP) comment...You said...

....HUMAN footprints on the moon exist

Now you just told me, you don't trust science because other men have revealed it to you....

Please take this opportunity to expound on WHAT evidence, CONVINCED you, there are HUMAN footprints on the moon.

Glory to God,
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Vince said:

I don't reject god, I am not convinced he exists based on a lack of evidence.

Again - What exactly do you WANT From Believers on this Forum?

To provide you with EVIDENCE (of Gods Existance) that is satisfactory to you?

Glory to God,
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