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It is obvious that you don't know by your failure to answer a simple question.You'll never know.
Pentecostalism History tidbitsWell folks, as you can see from Dave's evasive answers that he is totally out of his depth on this one. He is typical of secessionists who have been told what is what but has no understanding at all what he is saying so he cannot defend himself.
As for searching the scriptures he obviously believes he does not need to as what he has been told is gospel so it must be right and the fact that people's experience all over the world proves him wrong.
It hasn't entered his head that he could be wrong and everyone else is right as actions speak louder than words. However implausible it is, he hides behind a false interpretation of scripture, which means that the thousands of people that have been the recipient of miraculous healing or have been used by God to bring about a miraculous healing are all false prophets who do not know what they are doing and in all probability are serving Satan.
All I can say is that if that is the case, Satan seems to spend a lot of time giving glory to God.
Think about Job. When we are the Lord's side and He has a hedge all around us no devil can break through. If God should remove that hedge for any reason we will certainly know it, even if as in the case of Job, we do not know why. God knows and if we always trust in Him, in spite of appearances, there can be no real danger:I assume that you believe in speaking in tongues? I get the feeling that I want to express something deep within my spirit, and tongues expresses what I can't put to words. But after reading that it could be from the dark side I've been concerned about it. God has not seen fit to show me definitively that it's from Him.
And where from is the babbling of our children when they from infancy begin to make babbling noises as they learn to communicate? That growth by then from babbling to communication is the type or shadow we see in the natural child as he grows. Similarly people who begin with a babbling seemingly indecipherable tongue should move toward a communication with God. Because some folks are lazy and never learn to speak clearly and because some ministers are devils in disguise should be no reason not to follow God all the Way to the end of the road He has set before us... speaking with Him more and more clearly as we approach Him.So you think that tongues is from Satan?
Purely human babbling. Although much evidence points to early Pentecostals being a merger of Louisiana Voodoo and Wesley Methodism.
I don't understand how this relates to tongues."Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen [heard] me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen [heard], and yet have believed" John 20:29
If a person is sincere and always seeking God and His kingdom first and always striving to yield to Him and loving first, there is never a the danger you suggest!Just sayin' People perceive things differently and sometimes you don't know you are in a cult until too late.
So I do this and He delivered me from the Pentecostal movement......If a person is sincere and always seeking God and His kingdom first and always striving to yield to Him and loving first, there is never a the danger you suggest!
Hmmm?Who the Lord Jesus is, is gloriously the same; the process of revelation in Scripture - not complete when the sign gifts were seen in Acts - is indeed now complete, so it does not need to be added to supposedly.
Jesus is speaking about physical needs in this passage.Hmmm?
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Matt 6:33
Just exactly when is it that a follower of Christ is to stop seeking the kingdom of God and His righteousness?
The adding is not to be done by man, but by God!
So then perhaps He put you where he wants you for a work that He requires, but do not presume every part of the Body of Christ is to be in the same place performing the same function... Don't presume than someone else's testimony and work is in error because it does not correspond exactly to yours! Keep on checking with God instead of presuming that you already have all that He has for you in this area...So I do this and He delivered me from the Pentecostal movement......
The bible says the gifts expired as scripture replaced them. And history confirms this. In around AD 150, those who saw the original gifts in operation condemned the Montanists (today's Pentecostal equivalents) for heresy. Partly for claiming they had the same gifts today's Pentecostals claim.So then perhaps He put you where he wants you for a work that He requires, but do not presume every part of the Body of Christ is to be in the same place performing the same function... Don't presume than someone else's testimony and work is in error because it does not correspond exactly to yours! Keep on checking with God instead of presuming that you already have all that He has for you in this area...
Why don't you quote the verse here instead of expressing only you own conclusion?Paul says the complete replaced the incomplete. And if you spend your time in scripture, the obsolete gifts pale in comparison to it.
And that is your final decision on the matter? I think God has much more important things to add to seekers than physical things.Jesus is speaking about physical needs in this passage.
The first century Gifts of the Spirit VS Scripture today;Why don't you quote the verse here instead of expressing only you own conclusion?
"But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away." I Cor 13:10
You presume the perfect is come for yourself already by saying that the scriptures are perfect. The scriptures are flawed when viewed through flawed eyes and heard with flawed ears. The coming of the perfect into a man comes about the work of the God in the man through the Holy Spirit. Not everyone who has come to God at any time is now a perfect overcomer of all that stand between them and God. Only when the work is complete is the work perfect.
Stick to scripture, that's where faith comes from.And that is your final decision on the matter? I think God has much more important things to add to seekers than physical things.
But... if a messages were really from God, the Holy Ghost would always have the correct interpretation? Should we throw out God's message because of men's mistakes?Mayflower, why did the original tongues edify the speakers? Because they understood what they were saying. Paul told them to interpret so all could understand and be edified. Tongues speakers today haven't a clue about what they are saying. And I think if you recorded a tongues message, and had several different Pentecostal churches interpret it, they would all say something different.
If you hunger and thirst for the truth, scripture alone provides that.But... if a messages were really from God the Holy Ghost would always have the correct interpretation? Should we throw out God's message because of men's mistakes?
Faith comes by the hearing the Word of God. People without ears to hear cannot hear a thing from God even though they have read and perhaps memorized scripture! The "ears to hear" come through the Holy Spirit. Every unbeliever can "hear" himself being called but some like old Eli have ignored God for so long the baton is passed on to someone like Samuel whose heart is open and his ears working.Stick to scripture, that's where faith comes from.