Suffering Loss

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Suffer the loss


Philippians 3:8,

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

We all suffer loss at times, but with loss comes a new life, a new world. Paul counted his past life (everything that made him who he was) loss. He counted all things loss in order to gain. What did Paul get in losing his past identity, he gained the "excellency of the knowledge of Christ."

Have you ever saw someone who thought their back ground was superior to others. They haven't lost anything, they still operate from the old knowledge and have not come to understand that does not exsist anymore, 2 Cor. 5:17,

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

In most cases if you were to follow their lifestyle they have very little change in actions. If they were a drunk, or had anger issue with wife and family it will still exsist. In many cases it is worse now than before they were born again. Someone might say "I'm waiting for the Lord to take all this away from me." You might as well make the best of it because that is not going to happen. He delivered you the moment you believed, has spent some time on you to grow up, so you will be required to live what you know.

I just can't quit smoking, no you don't want to quit smoking. You don't understand addiction and these body craving, I understand if your body rules you you have not suffered the loss of what addicts you. These are body pulls but suffering loss goes into every aspect of the life of a Christian. Most when counseled want an answer that lets them have an escape, a way out. There is no way out, I'm not saying not to ask the Lord or anyone for help, but this is on you, you must suffer the loss of all things Paul said. If you are ever going to gain in that area there will be loss.

The rewards are you get new life, new understanding, change comes your different not the same old you. Paul called it suffering, suffering because it is going to hurt. It hurts to give up your ethnicity, it hurts to give up what ever has made you you. But in new knowledge and understanding you will not miss it. As matter of fact you will loathe it, because you can't believe these things ruled over you like an evil taskmaster and you went along and allowed it, 2 Corinthians 10:4-6,

4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)

5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
 

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all things but loss

The problem we have with God is in the little words. Words like..."all".. We are prepared to sacrifice "some" but not all.

The ways of God are all. We will not find God unless we seek with ALL we have and are. ALL our hearts and minds.

It isn't all or nothing however...it is all or something. We tend to go for the something. We pretend that the something we give is just like all we have. All that is reasonable to us in the present state of mind we entertain. But this is far from having the mind of Christ who left everything behind sacrificially for others. Yet we will not do the same.

We don't want to give all....and we don't want others to seem to be ahead of us because they are more generous with their lives than we are. We won't be honest with ourselves let alone with others on this point.

This creates the divisions among us.

In the church are Abels and Cains....as it must be.
 

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In the church are Abels and Cains....as it must be.

Question I’ve had that hasn’t been answered as of yet. “Abels” won’t satisfy but only One higher, yeah? The question is: what did Abel speak that Jesus speaketh better things? Hebrews 12:24
[24] And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

What is the difference in the “Abel’s” and the better things of Jesus the mediator of the new covenant? Genesis 4:10
[10] And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
 

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Question I’ve had that hasn’t been answered as of yet. “Abels” won’t satisfy but only One higher, yeah? The question is: what did Abel speak that Jesus speaketh better things? Hebrews 12:24
[24] And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

What is the difference in the “Abel’s” and the better things of Jesus the mediator of the new covenant? Genesis 4:10
[10] And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.

God has raised the stakes...upped the ante. Instead of just fire coming down...God's Holy Spirit falls down on us...like at Pentecost where the fire divided to remain over the heads of the followers of Christ.

Those who present themselves as living sacrifices are the "Abels" of today. Those that hate them in the churches and look down on these are the "Cains" of our time. And both are believers.

In a great house there are vessels both of honour AND dishonour.
 
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The vessels of Honour are of Him that speak of better things than Abel. Isn’t Mercy the better things spoken of God? Did Abel’s blood cry from the ground to be avenged in someone’s head? What did the Son of God cry? Having trouble agreeing in Abel is better than Cain but All must come to God through the Mercy given of Christ.
 

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The vessels of Honour are of Him that speak of better things than Abel. Isn’t Mercy the better things spoken of God? Did Abel’s blood cry from the ground to be avenged in someone’s head? What did the Son of God cry? Having trouble agreeing in Abel is better than Cain but All must come to God through the Mercy given of Christ.

Grace is more than mercy. walking in grace means we don't need to be forgiven anymore because our walk is exactly like Jesus' and our perfection (in Him) the same as God's.

It is easier to understand if you see perfection in Christ as a location...to be IN Him.

Phil. 3:9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God on the basis of faith.

Finding something requires going to a place.
 
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Grace is more than mercy. walking in grace means we don't need to be forgiven anymore because our walk is exactly like Jesus' and our perfection (in Him) the same as God's.

It is easier to understand if you see perfection in Christ as a location...to be IN Him.

Phil. 3:9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God on the basis of faith.

Finding something requires going to a place.


That didn’t answer the question. Whose blood cries out for vengeance from the ground that someone must pay? It can’t be Cain’s because he was the murderer. In the church then there being Cain’s and Abel’s...one brother is a murderer and the other brother’s blood soaks the ground and cries out for vengeance to be served. Does either belongeth yet to Romans 12:19-21 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. [20] Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. [21] Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

I guess the question is: no we don’t want to be a murderer as Cain. But do we want to be one who cries out for vengeance to be served? Why
Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.