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Grace is a subject when in discussion most of us are afraid of it. I mean we don't understand it in it's fullness. What is meant by that? If we start a conversation on grace your mind will go immediately to; "oh that means I can live anyway I want to and get away with it."

Grace is one of the most understood of positions of the believer. First why would a God fearing bible believing individual want to live out of fellowship with their Father. That makes no since, but at the same time our law keepers, well at least our advocates of law keeping, do the same thing. Their law keeping or trying to please God by being holy puts them in the same position. Have you ever been around those that have a form of law keeping, they are the meanest people on earth. The ironic thing about law keeping is those that try to do it, already have Christ in them if their born again.

So now you may understand mind renewal, the soul-mind can live anyway it wants, by grace or by law. I like use Pauline verbage and say! You can live the law life or you can live Christ, it's your choice. You are not going to be forced to live like a human being, you can live like a religious whatever if you choose to.

Many cannot live pure grace because of their mind. It may be the way they were raised, in a home where everything in life is bad for you and the devil is waiting if you get out of line. That makes living grace hard to do, it takes time for mind renewal to undo some things people are taught. But thank God He knows and will teach those that want to understand grace. Well what if I do get out of line, I can say grace has attached to it way more correction than the law ever did. The law killed you, that's it just dead, but grace has correction to be able to grow and understand the things of God, you will know your Father in grace, you cannot know your Father in the law.

In grace the world is a schoolhouse, it is not a place of punishment, it just feels like it at times because we have not been taught the world is a schoolhouse. It brings forth son's trained and meat for the Father's use in the world, Galations 4:1-2

1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

Forget heaven, get it now, heaven will be here soon enough, get out of your escapism mentality because you are not going anywhere.
 

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When I was young I had a professor tell me that "words mean things" When it comes to theology it is important to keep the terminology
straight. I like your post but it would best be entitled Human Compassion...milk of human kindness...do all things in love...love one
another. Which is the correct application of Christianity, a true and a wonderful thing and one of greatest parts of Christianity! But Grace is a Theological term and it is something that is unconditionally given to those that believe, and that is good thing, because religiously we would not survive without it. Grace is the love and mercy given to us by God because God desires us to have it, not because of anything we have done to earn it. Grace is the gift of favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to survive our journey to become the children of God, the adoptive sons and daughters of God that inherit eternal life. A love, a patience, a gift, that is given generously, free and totally unearned and
undeserved. It is like a friend that only sees the good in us and our potential. It has been described as the Cloak of Grace that covers all our
iniquities and faults. It is our protection as we move down that journey of salvation, it is the smile of God, that hand that lifts us up when
we fall and gives us the strength to carry on. The pure unconditional love of God...Praise the Lord!
 

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Grace is a subject when in discussion most of us are afraid of it. I mean we don't understand it in it's fullness. What is meant by that? If we start a conversation on grace your mind will go immediately to; "oh that means I can live anyway I want to and get away with it."
Absolutely not, and I have never met anyone who thinks that.

Grace is the unmerited favour of God. We don't deserve it but God gives it to us anyway, he favours us because of Jesus.
 

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When I was young I had a professor tell me that "words mean things" When it comes to theology it is important to keep the terminology
straight. I like your post but it would best be entitled Human Compassion...milk of human kindness...do all things in love...love one
another. Which is the correct application of Christianity, a true and a wonderful thing and one of greatest parts of Christianity! But Grace is a Theological term and it is something that is unconditionally given to those that believe, and that is good thing, because religiously we would not survive without it. Grace is the love and mercy given to us by God because God desires us to have it, not because of anything we have done to earn it. Grace is the gift of favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to survive our journey to become the children of God, the adoptive sons and daughters of God that inherit eternal life. A love, a patience, a gift, that is given generously, free and totally unearned and
undeserved. It is like a friend that only sees the good in us and our potential. It has been described as the Cloak of Grace that covers all our
iniquities and faults. It is our protection as we move down that journey of salvation, it is the smile of God, that hand that lifts us up when
we fall and gives us the strength to carry on. The pure unconditional love of God...Praise the Lord!

Yes there is many applications we give to the word grace, if you have read any of the others writing I see grace as a person, Christ in you the hope of glory. Thank you for your kind words. You know it also takes grace to place the creator of all things in the believing sinner, that is an untold (measureless) act of grace.
 

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Grace is the empowerment of the other. It's isn't just favour. God has no favourites and neither should we. I think the idea of favour can be very misleading.

God's grace consists of giving us the power to do His will. The power to walk in the Spirit. To bask in His presence in love, joy and peace. To enter into His kingdom. To do what we can't humanly do for ourselves. Grace is that we partake of His life.

And for us showing grace to others is to pass on that life, in the gift of miracles, healings, divine patience, love and kindness. Always with the idea of empowerment. Freely we have received.....freely we give.

Man's way is the opposite....it is to seek to have power and control over others. To bring others into submission and bondage.

But agape love sets others free and equips them in righteousness so they are given the strength to stand in faithfulness to the calling in God.
 
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Absolutely not, and I have never met anyone who thinks that.

Grace is the unmerited favour of God. We don't deserve it but God gives it to us anyway, he favours us because of Jesus.

Your right God does give us things because of His love for us, the time does come in growth when He will not do that you must grow up. Hard to say everything right in a two chaptor thread, thanks for commenting
 
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Your right God does give us things because of His love for us, the time does come in growth when He will not do that you must grow up. Hard to say everything right in a two chaptor thread, thanks for commenting
Where in the bible does it say God will stop loving us or giving us his grace if we are in Christ Jesus and he si in us?
 

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Grace is a subject when in discussion most of us are afraid of it. I mean we don't understand it in it's fullness. What is meant by that? If we start a conversation on grace your mind will go immediately to; "oh that means I can live anyway I want to and get away with it."

Grace is one of the most understood of positions of the believer. First why would a God fearing bible believing individual want to live out of fellowship with their Father. That makes no since, but at the same time our law keepers, well at least our advocates of law keeping, do the same thing. Their law keeping or trying to please God by being holy puts them in the same position. Have you ever been around those that have a form of law keeping, they are the meanest people on earth. The ironic thing about law keeping is those that try to do it, already have Christ in them if their born again.

So now you may understand mind renewal, the soul-mind can live anyway it wants, by grace or by law. I like use Pauline verbage and say! You can live the law life or you can live Christ, it's your choice. You are not going to be forced to live like a human being, you can live like a religious whatever if you choose to.

Many cannot live pure grace because of their mind. It may be the way they were raised, in a home where everything in life is bad for you and the devil is waiting if you get out of line. That makes living grace hard to do, it takes time for mind renewal to undo some things people are taught. But thank God He knows and will teach those that want to understand grace. Well what if I do get out of line, I can say grace has attached to it way more correction than the law ever did. The law killed you, that's it just dead, but grace has correction to be able to grow and understand the things of God, you will know your Father in grace, you cannot know your Father in the law.

In grace the world is a schoolhouse, it is not a place of punishment, it just feels like it at times because we have not been taught the world is a schoolhouse. It brings forth son's trained and meat for the Father's use in the world, Galations 4:1-2

1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

Forget heaven, get it now, heaven will be here soon enough, get out of your escapism mentality because you are not going anywhere.
What did you just say?
Could you narrow down to 25 words or less?
Thanks.
 
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But Grace is a Theological term and it is something that is unconditionally given to those that believe
Yet it rains on the evil and the good, no?
When I was young I had a professor tell me that "words mean things" When it comes to theology it is important to keep the terminology
straight. I like your post but it would best be entitled Human Compassion...milk of human kindness...do all things in love...love one
another. Which is the correct application of Christianity, a true and a wonderful thing and one of greatest parts of Christianity! But Grace is a Theological term and it is something that is unconditionally given to those that believe, and that is good thing, because religiously we would not survive without it. Grace is the love and mercy given to us by God because God desires us to have it, not because of anything we have done to earn it. Grace is the gift of favor, the free and undeserved help that God gives us to survive our journey to become the children of God, the adoptive sons and daughters of God that inherit eternal life. A love, a patience, a gift, that is given generously, free and totally unearned and
undeserved. It is like a friend that only sees the good in us and our potential. It has been described as the Cloak of Grace that covers all our
iniquities and faults. It is our protection as we move down that journey of salvation, it is the smile of God, that hand that lifts us up when
we fall and gives us the strength to carry on. The pure unconditional love of God...Praise the Lord!
I'm minded whenever i read some discourse on grace that we always seem to want to be applying it to ourselves, and rarely seek to extend it to others, not disagreeing with you here though. Ntmy btw :)
 
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Grace is the empowerment of the other. It's isn't just favour. God has no favourites and neither should we. I think the idea of favour can be very misleading.

God's grace consists of giving us the power to do His will. The power to walk in the Spirit. To bask in His presence in love, joy and peace. To enter into His kingdom. To do what we can't humanly do for ourselves. Grace is that we partake of His life.

And for us showing grace to others is to pass on that life, in the gift of miracles, healings, divine patience, love and kindness. Always with the idea of empowerment. Freely we have received.....freely we give.

Man's way is the opposite....it is to seek to have power and control over others. To bring others into submission and bondage.

But agape love sets others free and equips them in righteousness so they are given the strength to stand in faithfulness to the calling in God.
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Where in the bible does it say God will stop loving us or giving us his grace if we are in Christ Jesus and he si in us?

Sorry I think we are seeing things different, nobody said anything about God not loving us or giving grace. As a parent you can correct a child and still love them.
 

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A lot of good people talking about this. Great! But at this point it would be good to look up the most popular and
well documented definition of the Grace of God...and then debate that! I am open.
 

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A lot of good people talking about this. Great! But at this point it would be good to look up the most popular and
well documented definition of the Grace of God...and then debate that! I am open.


Unfortunately there are too many man made doctrines to contend with. I prefer to let the bible explain itself.

Grace is ALWAYS about power. My grace is sufficient for you...the power of God to do what is impossible for men.

People want grace to be about being special before God. But there is no such thing...
 

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Unfortunately there are too many man made doctrines to contend with. I prefer to let the bible explain itself.

Grace is ALWAYS about power. My grace is sufficient for you...the power of God to do what is impossible for men.

People want grace to be about being special before God. But there is no such thing...
I might agree but imo we even need a diff def of "power" for that to really be understood?
 

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Not looking for man made doctrines or even opinions, I am talking about the biblical Grace of God. Grace is well
defined in the Holy Bible and it is a well defined theological term. It appears in over a hundred verses in the
New Testament.
Romans 5:15 But not the offence, so also is the free gift. For it through the offense of one many be dead, much more the
grace of God, and the gift of grace, which is my on man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
But I am still up for a debate...But first you might want check out how many scriptures and definitions you want to
disagree with.