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Is it anything like the current "Common Core Curriculum" that's widespread from the Dept. of Education (Secretary of Education Betsy Devos)?
Hi, 4Jesus,

The World Core Curriculum and Common Core State Standards (CCSS) are not the same thing, but there is a connection between the two, which I've explained above. If you read the article, you'll see that the connection has to do with UNESCO.

CCSS was initially sponsored by the National Governor's Association (NGA) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO). It was implemented under the Obama administration.
 
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Think about it. The "good old days" were an illusion in a way. Men could beat their wives and get away with it. Children could be molested, and nobody talked about it.

Think about some of the horrifying news coming out now about things that happened decades ago. Stealing children to sell in adoption schemes in Chile and Spain. Nuns murdering babies in Ireland. I was talking to my sister last week about her trip to Nova Scotia. How indigenous people were treated there was horrible -- she heard about it first hand. Native Americans and blacks used to be treated like non-humans. Women were treated as less than fully human. Things are in flux, being worked out.
Being worked out ?
Played for all that they can milk it for more likely, not to mention a shallow depth of such and a one way street nowadays, that one can not speak up to defend or you have to deal with total uneducated morons narrow minded opinions, not to mention can't see past their own nose.

Truth be told most white people had a hard life as well back in the days of USA slavery and they were slaves to a system as well but had earned there right to traverse due to there dignity that they had that gave them such to go their own way, if they were lucky enough to do their own thing but the majority were tied down working their guts out to survive.
Whites had harsh rules to abide by or else you get on the wrong side of the law and see what happened to one ? the blacks were savages and could not walk freely because they would be strung up for their actions just as any white man would be if he was such an idiot, how the blacks ran around in Africa sure as hell was not tolerated in the USA culture, because they were building up a civilised nation and the blacks never mad anything out of their nations because they were like wild beast running about like morons killing other tribes and slavery was rampant among the black cultures of Africa.
Just go to Africa 2019 and see how backwards that many of the blacks still are, I have talked to Africans as black as the ace of spades and they will inform all that they talk to about the savages and places that they sure as hell would not go to or they would of been killed and they are sure glad to be living in a white mans world and I can tell you that for sure, they do say that the majority of whites here have no idea about Africa and are as ignorant as they come not to mention brainwashed beyond belief and that's coming from true blacks not half cast ect. not to mention that such Christian blacks as they are hunted down in Africa by Islamist and what does the UN do about this ? f all, they bring the Islamic into our nation and when asked why don't you only bring the Christian negro's here they claim that such would violate their discrimination laws that they idolise like the Satanist that they truly are in leading the whole world astray, now them good Christian blacks are victimised hear by all the Islamic ones. not to mention that the average white Australian is oblivious to all this because the media supresses such. the way to solve problems is to turn a blind eye to everything must be their motto, because one would not want to offend the political correctness gods now would we.
 

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Hi, 4Jesus,

The World Core Curriculum and Common Core State Standards (CCSS) are not the same thing, but there is a connection between the two, which I've explained above. If you read the article, you'll see that the connection has to do with UNESCO.

CCSS was initially sponsored by the National Governor's Association (NGA) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO). It was implemented under the Obama administration.

You found the missing link between the Obama Admin, the Trump Admin (which is Betsy Devos is pro Common Core - Donald Trump Announces Pro-Common Core Betsy DeVos as Education Secretary | Breitbart), and the U.N. Good going!

Some follow-up reading, linking Common Core with Agenda 21 that @Soverign Grace discusses on the forum: Common Core and UN Agenda 21: Mass Producing Green Global Serfs
 
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Getting back to the topic of New Age and the occult, this article explains various ways that public schools have promoted practices tied to New Age thinking and the occult. Freemasons are mentioned in this article.

The New Age, Occultism, and Our Children in Public Schools

“Softening Up” For Occult Revival—Hermetic Magic & Hegel’s Dialectic Process

Why would our country, so richly blessed by God, embrace the occult? What caused this drastic change in values? How could it have happened so seemingly fast?!

Actually, the entire Western world had already been “softened up” by the 1960s when the rising rebellion against God erupted into public view. The century-old pursuit of social solidarity based on Georg Hegel’s occult philosophy and consensus process had been an effective tool for change.

Hegel’s 19th century pattern for “group thinking” denied God’s absolute truths and trained people to adapt to “continual change” and group consensus. By the year 2000, it had been embraced by schools, corporations, community organizations, mainline churches, and political structures throughout America. Through the global media, people around the world have caught Hegel’s vision of spiritual synthesis—an enticing blend of spiritual illusions and practices that appeal to our capricious human nature.


Hegel studied alchemy, Kabbalah (Jewish mysticism), and theosophy, which were all influenced by the heretical teachings of Gnosticism. He “read widely on Mesmerism, psychic phenomena, dowsing, precognition, and sorcery. He publicly associated himself with known occultists . . . and aligned himself, informally, with ‘Hermetic’ societies such as the Freemasons and the Rosicrucians” and embraced their symbolic systems of sacred circles, mystical triangles and astrological signs.1
To read the rest of this article, click here: https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=17735
 
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You found the missing link between the Obama Admin, the Trump Admin (which is Betsy Devos is pro Common Core - Donald Trump Announces Pro-Common Core Betsy DeVos as Education Secretary | Breitbart), and the U.N. Good going!

Some follow-up reading, linking Common Core with Agenda 21 that @Soverign Grace discusses on the forum: Common Core and UN Agenda 21: Mass Producing Green Global Serfs

Not sure what you mean by "missing link." I was just saying that Common Core was implemented under Obama to give a timeline. It is very disappointing that Trump would appoint a Secretary of Education who is pro-CC in any way.

I haven't had time to read all the comments and links on this thread. Probably never will have time. :( However, I will take the time to read the second article you linked to.The New American is a topnotch publication and has done a great job covering education reform over the last few decades.
 
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Not sure what you mean by "missing link." I was just saying that Common Core was implemented under Obama to give a timeline. It is very disappointing that Trump would appoint a Secretary of Education who is pro-CC in any way.

I haven't had time to read all the comments and links on this thread. Probably never will have time. :( However, I will take the time to read the second article you linked to. The New American is a topnotch publication.

Just that, that the U.N. is calling the shots for the Obama and Trump administrations (both puppets for the U.N.), and their "brand"/way of teaching the children today.
 
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I saw a few things I found objectionable if true; but the article seemed more like a hit piece on Bill Gates and the UN than a criticism of what's wrong.

I found the article to be accurate based on my research. It quotes original sources quite a bit. Isn't that what you like to see? ;)
 

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I found the article to be accurate based on my research. It quotes original sources quite a bit. Isn't that what you like to see? ;)
I wanted to see something that might back up the things implied in this thread, that occultism is being taught in schools. I certainly agree that some things probably need fixed in our education system, but I doubt it has much to do with occultism.
 

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I wanted to see something that might back up the things implied in this thread, that occultism is being taught in schools. I certainly agree that some things probably need fixed in our education system, but I doubt it has much to do with occultism.

You questioned the accuracy of the article because it mentioned Bill Gates and the UN as major players in promoting radical education reform.

For info on occultism in the schools, check out this article: https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=17735
 

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Well if you would interpret Daniel and Revelation as they should be interpret, along with the descriptions of Satan who said "I will be like the most High", then this is exactly what you will find in Revelation 13. God will allow His Adversary 3 1/2 years (42 months) to be supreme over the inhabitants of the world (in the not-too-distant future).
Well, this is true, I suppose, but it depends entirely on the point of view of the person using the phrase. If I said the 'absolute supreme' one, I would, of course, be referring to my God and Saviour. And we know there are many and varied wrong views and religions in the world. It could have been anything. So...I thought I ought to check rather than assume.
 
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You questioned the accuracy of the article because it mentioned Bill Gates and the UN as major players in promoting radical education reform.

For info on occultism in the schools, check out this article: https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=17735
It didn't interest me. I was looking for more details about education and not attacks on Gates or the UN.

I agree with the priest who didn't see the harm in meditation being taught in schools. I doubt that anyone who ever meditated would look at it as being religious even though it has been associated with different religions.

In The Capitol Times article, contemplative activist and Catholic priest Thomas Keating is quoted as saying that meditation in the classroom is “not a religious issue” and that “sitting in silence for twenty minutes, twice a day, ‘gradually introduces us to our deeper self.’” But the article contradicts Keating’s view that meditation is not religious:

Like Buddhist meditation, centering prayer for Christians is an age-old religious practice that has experienced a revival in contemporary times.

And as this article reveals, children are being targeted with meditation:

“Most people without a special (contemplative) practice tend to be pushed around by external events,” Keating contends. In classrooms, “the younger the child, the easier it is” to teach contemplation because young participants typically aren’t impeded by as much emotional baggage.

I could connect it with what David wrote since it could be used by Christians too:

Psalm 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

Most people do not know how to quiet their minds. They have too many thoughts that never got finished so their minds go in circles all the time about earthly affairs. Their minds are never quiet enough to hear from God.
 

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It didn't interest me. I was looking for more details about education and not attacks on Gates or the UN.

I agree with the priest who didn't see the harm in meditation being taught in schools. I doubt that anyone who ever meditated would look at it as being religious even though it has been associated with different religions.

In The Capitol Times article, contemplative activist and Catholic priest Thomas Keating is quoted as saying that meditation in the classroom is “not a religious issue” and that “sitting in silence for twenty minutes, twice a day, ‘gradually introduces us to our deeper self.’” But the article contradicts Keating’s view that meditation is not religious:

Like Buddhist meditation, centering prayer for Christians is an age-old religious practice that has experienced a revival in contemporary times.

And as this article reveals, children are being targeted with meditation:

“Most people without a special (contemplative) practice tend to be pushed around by external events,” Keating contends. In classrooms, “the younger the child, the easier it is” to teach contemplation because young participants typically aren’t impeded by as much emotional baggage.

I could connect it with what David wrote since it could be used by Christians too:

Psalm 46:10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.

Most people do not know how to quiet their minds. They have too many thoughts that never got finished so their minds go in circles all the time about earthly affairs. Their minds are never quiet enough to hear from God.

I have found that the best way to calm our minds is to meditate on Bible verses showing that God will take care of us no matter what we're going through. The mystical practice of contemplative prayer promoted by Keating is based on Eastern Meditation, which is contrary to Bible truth.

This article explains:


The Spirituality of Thomas Keating
October 4, 2006 by Lighthouse Trails Editors

Thomas Keating, a Catholic monk, has been a significant influence in bringing contemplative spirituality to mainstream Christianity. It’s no secret that he is a promoter of Eastern mysticism, yet his books are found in countless Christian bookstores. Lifeway Stores says that Keating falls within the parameters of their policy on which books to sell. They say:

“[W]e work very hard to ensure that the products we list are in harmony with our vision statement and product standards. As such, they are biblically-based and theologically sound. With some 100,000 books in our database, our customers could not expect to agree with every thought in every book, but they should not encounter material that is inconsistent with basic tenets of the Christian faith.
But is Thomas Keating’s spirituality consistent “with basic tenets of the Christian faith”? We believe the answer to that is a wholehearted NO. Listen to Keating’s own words in his book, The Heart of the Word: A Spiritual Catechism: An Introduction to Contemplative Christianity :

I have had the rare opportunity to absorb the contemplative tradition of Christianity within the context of monastic practice and experience. My own exposure to Eastern methods of meditation began in the 1960s. It awakened in me a deep appreciation of these values. These Eastern methods have expanded my understanding of the mystery of Christ and the message of the Gospel. Moreover, they mirror aspects of Christian mysticism overlooked in recent centuries. The contemplative dimension of life, present in all the great religions, is the common heart of the world. There the human family is already one” (Prologue).

“This book is also for Christians who have turned East for spiritual experience and who now would like to integrate that experience into their Christian background” (p. 3).​

Click here for the rest of the article: https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=4061

 
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I have found that the best way to calm our minds is to meditate on Bible verses showing that God will take care of us no matter what we're going through. The mystical practice of contemplative prayer promoted by Keating is based on Eastern Meditation, which is contrary to Bible truth.

This article explains:


The Spirituality of Thomas Keating
October 4, 2006 by Lighthouse Trails Editors

Thomas Keating, a Catholic monk, has been a significant influence in bringing contemplative spirituality to mainstream Christianity. It’s no secret that he is a promoter of Eastern mysticism, yet his books are found in countless Christian bookstores. Lifeway Stores says that Keating falls within the parameters of their policy on which books to sell. They say:

“[W]e work very hard to ensure that the products we list are in harmony with our vision statement and product standards. As such, they are biblically-based and theologically sound. With some 100,000 books in our database, our customers could not expect to agree with every thought in every book, but they should not encounter material that is inconsistent with basic tenets of the Christian faith.
But is Thomas Keating’s spirituality consistent “with basic tenets of the Christian faith”? We believe the answer to that is a wholehearted NO. Listen to Keating’s own words in his book, The Heart of the Word: A Spiritual Catechism: An Introduction to Contemplative Christianity :

I have had the rare opportunity to absorb the contemplative tradition of Christianity within the context of monastic practice and experience. My own exposure to Eastern methods of meditation began in the 1960s. It awakened in me a deep appreciation of these values. These Eastern methods have expanded my understanding of the mystery of Christ and the message of the Gospel. Moreover, they mirror aspects of Christian mysticism overlooked in recent centuries. The contemplative dimension of life, present in all the great religions, is the common heart of the world. There the human family is already one” (Prologue).

“This book is also for Christians who have turned East for spiritual experience and who now would like to integrate that experience into their Christian background” (p. 3).​

Click here for the rest of the article: https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=4061

Thanks for that. It makes sense to me. Especially in today's world, people are constantly bombarded with stimuli. If it's not Facebook or television, it's something else. I've known people who got jittery if there wasn't something going on to catch their attention.
 

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Go ahead and focus on the dirt and say whatever you can against the hundreds of thousands paying for our president. But it is praying that we are suppose to be doing.

I have no stake in American politics, being a popcorn eating observer from the North, but I absolutely agree with you here.
We are to pray for our leaders always.

Peace be with you!
 
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Thanks for that. It makes sense to me. Especially in today's world, people are constantly bombarded with stimuli. If it's not Facebook or television, it's something else. I've known people who got jittery if there wasn't something going on to catch their attention.

You're welcome, but I'm concerned about where you stand with mysticism, which I believe offers a counterfeit to the power and gifts that the Holy Spirit works in and through believers. What do you think about this? (Not meaning to be too nosy.)
 
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I wanted to see something that might back up the things implied in this thread, that occultism is being taught in schools. I certainly agree that some things probably need fixed in our education system, but I doubt it has much to do with occultism.
I think you misunderstand what the thread was based on. It is not about occultism per se, being taught in schools. It that the curriculums were designed by occultists to bring about a specific new age result in preparation for the occult expectation of the cosmic Christ.
New age people are in agreement with edoteric societies such as Freemasonry and they find common ground in global governance. This isn't a new thing. It began in the late 19th century in the US when Rockefeller financed a new educational system making it compulsory, and introducing European ideas that originated with Jesuit philosophy in Austria.
The new age occultists, bent on religious unity through ecumenism and the UN, had certain goals which they wanted to implement through education.
Removal of parental authority.
Destruction of patriotism.
Remove all erroneous ideas in the young gained from parents...(Compylsory pre school education at age 3 in Britain)

So not openly occult ideas being taught... But the idea of global citizenry and inclusiveness of everyone, with penalties for those who choose to remain separate. Home schooling is really the last bastion of free individualism... But even that is under attack.
 

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Well, this is true, I suppose, but it depends entirely on the point of view of the person using the phrase. If I said the 'absolute supreme' one, I would, of course, be referring to my God and Saviour. And we know there are many and varied wrong views and religions in the world. It could have been anything. So...I thought I ought to check rather than assume.

Yeah, like the "in God we trust" on money with a pyramid and all-seeing eye in the capstone ;) (to clarify, that's their god, not our Jesus/God).

The evil ones love calling their god, "God"...extra points when spoken, cause there's no capitalization or lack thereof in verbal communication - sweet sweet confusion!
 
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I think you misunderstand what the thread was based on. It is not about occultism per se, being taught in schools. It that the curriculums were designed by occultists to bring about a specific new age result in preparation for the occult expectation of the cosmic Christ.
New age people are in agreement with edoteric societies such as Freemasonry and they find common ground in global governance. This isn't a new thing. It began in the late 19th century in the US when Rockefeller financed a new educational system making it compulsory, and introducing European ideas that originated with Jesuit philosophy in Austria.
The new age occultists, bent on religious unity through ecumenism and the UN, had certain goals which they wanted to implement through education.
Removal of parental authority.
Destruction of patriotism.
Remove all erroneous ideas in the young gained from parents...(Compylsory pre school education at age 3 in Britain)

So not openly occult ideas being taught... But the idea of global citizenry and inclusiveness of everyone, with penalties for those who choose to remain separate. Home schooling is really the last bastion of free individualism... But even that is under attack.

Hi brakelite, quick question for you regarding your comment on "global citizenry": around here in the northeastern U.S., a phrase has made its way into the public mindset of "think globally, act locally". Have you heard this phrase around Australia where you are?
 

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Open your eyes, I did not give you my opinion, I quoted the scriptures just as you asked. That was the "proof text" of your error.

If we are to continue...let us do so with you seeing and confessing that you were wrong about Christ returning "to the face of the earth." Specifically, you were wrong about "where", and therefore the scriptures I quoted are not "outside the message content", but right on.

Continuing on: No, Christ's return from going "to the Father" does not happen "at the end of the Millennium Age"...for He is present during that time, and therefore has come already. In order, as follows:

Jesus goes to the Father > Jesus returns to reign for a thousand years > then comes the end.
If we can agree upon this, then we can reason our way through "where" Jesus returns to, and just how that fits into the timeline. Then perhaps we can consider the times of the kingdom rather than the times of the world and of men.

So then you are in agreement with Kezar? I know his theories are wrong, so there is no point in you trying to prove that your understanding is correct as well.