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Ephesians 2:8-9
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

While we are saved through faith, salvation is not found in faith itself.

Ephesians 1:3
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ"

Faith brings us to Jesus. In Jesus Christ we receive every spiritual blessing.

Our salvation is immersing into Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17-18
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"

Romans 6:3-7
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin."

By faith this becomes possible, but rebirth is from God. In Christ we are a new creation, made free from sin.

And by then it's too late to talk about renouncing your faith.

1 Peter 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

What keeps us is not our faith, we are kept by the power of God. This does not say we are kept by faith in God's power. We are kept by God's power, which works in our faith.

His keeping power is such that it is "unto salvation", not unto the great question. He keeps us by His power through faith unto salvation.

Galatians 2
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Kept by the power of God through faith . . . whose faith?

It's Jesus' faith!

Much love!
 

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Ha, a little word game,
with renouncing your faith in exchange for Christ’s faith...Took me a bit to catch on... You made me think!

Be blessed as His faith grows in you, Not me
 
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And by then it's too late to talk about renouncing your faith.
Hi marks. I believe the condition of a person's heart determines whether they continue in the faith of Jesus Christ, as the parable of the sower illustrates: Luke 8:4-15.
  1. The Wayside Hearer - has a trafficked, compacted heart from which the Word of God is snatched away before it produces faith.
  2. The Rocky Ground Hearer -has a shallow, hardened heart which the Word of God withers away on before it becomes permanently established.
  3. The Thorny Ground Hearer - has a selfish, undisciplined heart which the Word of God is choked out of by worldly priorities.
  4. The Good Ground Hearer - has a cultivated, fertile heart which the Word of God is nurtured in to produce fruit.
Many things contribute to a person's heart becoming like fertile soil, which is cultivated with care to nurture seeds sown to produce sustenance, necessities, and beauty.

What sort of person renounces their faith except a person whose heart is not being kept spiritually fertile!
 

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Kept by the power of God through faith . . . whose faith?
You might want to modify the title of your thread by adding "Not" at the beginning. Otherwise someone may be seriously mislead.

It is always faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption that the Bible emphasizes. And faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. So it is the Gospel -- accompanied by the Holy Spirit -- which generates faith. It is not Christ who has faith in Himself, since He is God. It is the sinner who believes on the Lord Jesus Christ and is saved (Acts 16:30,31).
 
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Ha, a little word game,
with renouncing your faith in exchange for Christ’s faith...Took me a bit to catch on... You made me think!

Be blessed as His faith grows in you, Not me
That didn't even occur to me that way . . . hmmm . . . Now I'm thinking!

Much love!
 
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That didn't even occur to me that way . . . hmmm . . . Now I'm thinking!

Much love!

You mean I did all that thinking for nothing??? I used my quota up for the next three days....That means I can take a break...Coolness, thanks lol :)

Be blessed in Him, Not me
 
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You might want to modify the title of your thread by adding "Not" at the beginning. Otherwise someone may be seriously mislead.

It is always faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption that the Bible emphasizes. And faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. So it is the Gospel -- accompanied by the Holy Spirit -- which generates faith. It is not Christ who has faith in Himself, since He is God. It is the sinner who believes on the Lord Jesus Christ and is saved (Acts 16:30,31).
I suppose if I wanted to edit the OP, I'd put it in quotes, "Renouncing My Faith". The OP was inspired by talk on another thread about someone renouncing their faith, and I began to think, Is that even possible?

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Hi marks. I believe the condition of a person's heart determines whether they continue in the faith of Jesus Christ, as the parable of the sower illustrates: Luke 8:4-15.
  1. The Wayside Hearer - has a trafficked, compacted heart from which the Word of God is snatched away before it produces faith.
  2. The Rocky Ground Hearer -has a shallow, hardened heart which the Word of God withers away on before it becomes permanently established.
  3. The Thorny Ground Hearer - has a selfish, undisciplined heart which the Word of God is choked out of by worldly priorities.
  4. The Good Ground Hearer - has a cultivated, fertile heart which the Word of God is nurtured in to produce fruit.
Many things contribute to a person's heart becoming like fertile soil, which is cultivated with care to nurture seeds sown to produce sustenance, necessities, and beauty.

What sort of person renounces their faith except a person whose heart is not being kept spiritually fertile!
Hi Stumpmaster,

I'm of the mind that only the seed in the good ground brings salvation.

Much love!
 

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It is always faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption that the Bible emphasizes. And faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. So it is the Gospel -- accompanied by the Holy Spirit -- which generates faith. It is not Christ who has faith in Himself, since He is God. It is the sinner who believes on the Lord Jesus Christ and is saved (Acts 16:30,31).
Hi Enoch,

What do you mean when you say the Gospel accompanied by the Holy Spirit generates faith?

I'm thinking of in Hebrews where it says about the word that was preached to them did them no good not being mixed with faith, something like that.

To me it seems like we hear the Gospel, and we receive it in belief, or reject it in disbelief. If we receive in belief, the Gospel mixed with faith, we are reborn through joining Jesus is death and resurrection. And then we are alive in Christ, and His faith fills us, and protects us. Kept by the power of God through faith. And the live I live, I live by the faith of the Son of God, His faith.

And if Jesus' faith is in me, and I being being kept by the power of God through faith, then where is this "renouncing my faith"?

Much love!
 

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Renouncing "your" Faith? o_O

encouragement,

step 1. Romans 12:3,

step 2. 2 Peter 1:5 - 12. and,

step 3. Hebrews 12:2

PICJAG.
 
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What do you mean when you say the Gospel accompanied by the Holy Spirit generates faith?
The Bible makes that very clear -- the power of God accompanies the Gospel, and the Gospel generates faith:

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter [THE HOLY GHOST] will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you. And when He is come, He will reprove [CONVICT AND CONVINCE] the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. (John 16:7-11)

For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. (Rom 1:16)

For the Word of God [THE GOSPEL] is quick [alive], and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in His [GOD'S] sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him [GOD] with whom we have to do. (Heb 4:12,13)

ROMANS 10
14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the Gospel of peace, and bring Glad Tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the Gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith
cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God [THE GOSPEL].

 

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The Bible makes that very clear -- the power of God accompanies the Gospel, and the Gospel generates faith:


I don't think your first three quotes speak to the point, perhaps you could show how they do. Not to say God's Word isn't powerful, mind you!

But this does, I think, speak to the point:

ROMANS 10
14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the Gospel of peace, and bring Glad Tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the Gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God [THE GOSPEL].

Let me ask you . . . what are your thoughts on the point of my OP? That it's not up to us to be able to 'renounce' Jesus' faith in us?

20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Much love!
 

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Ephesians 2:8-9
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

While we are saved through faith, salvation is not found in faith itself.

Ephesians 1:3
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ"

Faith brings us to Jesus. In Jesus Christ we receive every spiritual blessing.

Our salvation is immersing into Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17-18
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;"

Romans 6:3-7
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin."

By faith this becomes possible, but rebirth is from God. In Christ we are a new creation, made free from sin.

And by then it's too late to talk about renouncing your faith.

1 Peter 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

What keeps us is not our faith, we are kept by the power of God. This does not say we are kept by faith in God's power. We are kept by God's power, which works in our faith.

His keeping power is such that it is "unto salvation", not unto the great question. He keeps us by His power through faith unto salvation.

Galatians 2
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Kept by the power of God through faith . . . whose faith?

It's Jesus' faith!

Much love!
Hi Marks, how are you all? and Amen, The above is well put together. :)

Walter
 
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Let me ask you . . . what are your thoughts on the point of my OP? That it's not up to us to be able to 'renounce' Jesus' faith in us
Here is what Galatians 2:20 is saying: I live by the faith, &c.—Greek, "IN faith (namely), that of (that is, which rests on) the Son of God." "In faith," answers by contrast to "in the flesh." Faith, not the flesh, is the real element in which I live. The phrase, "the Son of God," reminds us that His Divine Sonship is the source of His life-giving power. (Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown)

This is similar to "The just shall live by faith". What Paul is saying is that believers walk in the Spirit by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit, and that is because of our faith in Christ.
 

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Here is what Galatians 2:20 is saying: I live by the faith, &c.—Greek, "IN faith (namely), that of (that is, which rests on) the Son of God." "In faith," answers by contrast to "in the flesh." Faith, not the flesh, is the real element in which I live. The phrase, "the Son of God," reminds us that His Divine Sonship is the source of His life-giving power. (Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown)

This is similar to "The just shall live by faith". What Paul is saying is that believers walk in the Spirit by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit, and that is because of our faith in Christ.
So then do you feel that our faith may be renounced?

Why or why not?

Much love!
 

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Hi Marks, how are you all? and Amen, The above is well put together. :)

Walter
Amen, in which your OP reminds me of Habakkuk Two:4, John Three:36, Romans One:17, and Galatians Three:11, Thanks,

Habakkuk Two:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

Galatians Three:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Romans One:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

John Three:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Love always, Walter
 
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