Is any one really happy here?

[Waiting on him]

the word “The” limits the concept of rapture to a single event.
In my post I provided other examples of rapture, which imo are equally as miraculous (prayer, worship) as this future event

Almost implies narrow mindedness.

 

[Waiting on him]

the word “The” limits the concept of rapture to a single event.
In my post I provided other examples of rapture, which imo are equally as miraculous (prayer, worship) as this future event

And it also seems kinda self centered

 

[aspen]

WOH

yeah, I agree with your thoughts
It also seems to trade in the rapture of the moment for some pie in the sky (Lol) event that may or may not be Holy speculation or occur in a different manner in which we understand from scripture

 

[Waiting on him]

I don’t know how many times I’ve heard it said, I wanna be raptured away at this moment.

Same thing in my mind as saying, to hell with anyone awaiting birth into the kingdom of God “ I’m ready”

 

[aspen]

I don’t know how many times I’ve heard it said, I wanna be raptured away at this moment.

Same thing in my mind as saying, to hell with anyone awaiting birth into the kingdom of God “ I’m ready”

yep. It is a Gnostic Dream
Also, Satan wins in the present moment. Stealing the only window we can experience

 

[Waiting on him]

yep. It is a Gnostic Dream
Also, Satan wins in the present moment. Stealing the only window we can experience

The wife was posting earlier... scripture says His thoughts higher than ours, yet He graciously says come up hither.

 

[Waiting on him]

yep. It is a Gnostic Dream
Also, Satan wins in the present moment. Stealing the only window we can experience

Where’d Byrd go?

 

[bbyrd009]

dinner

 

[r1xlx]

Heaven is a state of perfection - Jesus is the only perfect being - he is the first and the last. We will be perfected after death if we trust in Him

1st Thessalonians4:16-18 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and The dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so shall we always be with the Lord.

My name is OLIGOS

and what is OLIGOS supposed to mean?

 

[r1xlx]

i would keep an open mind there ok, it is liable to not happen like the picture in your mind, as other Scripture clarifies

Is there a local group that you could go to to have your demons cast out as you sure don't seem much of a Christian to me.
And FYI the Rapture is GOD's way of ensuring there will be a nucleus of people able to marry and have lots of babies to fill the cleansed and renewed Earth after Armageddon and the Millennium. Kind of like Adam and Eve and the Noah's sons had to fill the Earth?
You need to have the gifts of wisdom and knowledge to understand this.

 

[bbyrd009]

Is there a local group that you could go to to have your demons cast out as you sure don't seem much of a Christian to me.

i get that for suggesting you test everything?
ok

And FYI the Rapture is

ok, ty?

A search of "Mithraism and" does not autocomplete for "Christianity" for nothing, huh?

that kind of "rapture" is not even drawn from the correct root, Bible Search: rapture
see no harpazo anywhere eh?

just keep giving that Ordained Guy your money tho, and parrotting everything he tells you, ok with me
"the best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible" indeed imo

You need to have the gifts of wisdom and knowledge to understand this.

which you have, right. Aight i appreciate it, have a nice day

 

[Giuliano]

1st Thessalonians4:16-18 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and The dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so shall we always be with the Lord.

My name is OLIGOS

Did it happen or was Paul misleading the good people of Thessalonica? I say it did happen just as Paul promised them. Many people say the "we" he meant was not the people he was writing to! Oh no, don't tell he didn't mean them -- he meant "us" today.

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Paul doesn't specifically say he was this person described in the next passage -- but the question is if we can believe what he said?

2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God
knoweth; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; )
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Can we believe John heard a trumpet and was caught up into Heaven? He said it happened. We don't read that Moses was caught up in the air; but we read he went up higher than others at Sinai when the trumpet was sounding, and he returned with his face transfigured. He had been changed somehow.

Was Paul lying or mistaken when he wrote this in the present tense, as if it's already true?

Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Here is the problem for many people. If they haven't experienced it, it seems impossible for anyone to be in more than one place at a time; but it really is true. The "Son of Man" can be in Heaven and also "come down from Heaven."

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

The person born of the Spirit can move about. He can move like the wind. He is also forever with the Lord. The person born of water is still maturing. . . .

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

This ought not be a mystery since there are several saints who could around like the wind. Some visited spiritual realms too.

 

[r1xlx]

i get that for suggesting you test everything?
ok

ok, ty?

A search of "Mithraism and" does not autocomplete for "Christianity" for nothing, huh?

that kind of "rapture" is not even drawn from the correct root, Bible Search: rapture
see no harpazo anywhere eh?

just keep giving that Ordained Guy your money tho, and parrotting everything he tells you, ok with me
"the best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible" indeed imo

which you have, right. Aight i appreciate it, have a nice day

See what I mean?
No, you don't.

 

[bbyrd009]

See what I mean?
No, you don't.

yall still have like English "lords" and whatnot over there, yes? gotta make it particularly hard to leave the camp i guess? I mean Englanders are just more conformist as a rule? So imo the whole dynamic is just different, "Empire" is much more ingrained, etc. notice it in Canadians and Aussies too

 

[bbyrd009]

Did it happen or was Paul misleading the good people of Thessalonica? I say it did happen just as Paul promised them. Many people say the "we" he meant was not the people he was writing to! Oh no, don't tell he didn't mean them -- he meant "us" today.

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Paul doesn't specifically say he was this person described in the next passage -- but the question is if we can believe what he said?

2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God
knoweth; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; )
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Can we believe John heard a trumpet and was caught up into Heaven? He said it happened. We don't read that Moses was caught up in the air; but we read he went up higher than others at Sinai when the trumpet was sounding, and he returned with his face transfigured. He had been changed somehow.

Was Paul lying or mistaken when he wrote this in the present tense, as if it's already true?

Ephesians 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Here is the problem for many people. If they haven't experienced it, it seems impossible for anyone to be in more than one place at a time; but it really is true. The "Son of Man" can be in Heaven and also "come down from Heaven."

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

The person born of the Spirit can move about. He can move like the wind. He is also forever with the Lord. The person born of water is still maturing. . . .

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

This ought not be a mystery since there are several saints who could around like the wind. Some visited spiritual realms too.

word

 

[Giuliano]

It may help you to pay closer attention to what GOD HAS TO SAY about His SINGLEMINDEDNESS.

God Is EXTREMELY narrow minded, or would you rather follow the "BROAD PATH that leads to destruction?? Matthew 7:13 vs. the NARROW PATH (7:14) that leads to life.

You may have half of the story. The same day, after coming down from the mountain, Jesus said something else that should make the earnest reader wonder if he understood chapter 7 fully.

Matthew 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[r1xlx]

You may have half of the story. The same day, after coming down from the mountain, Jesus said something else that should make the earnest reader wonder if he understood chapter 7 fully.

Matthew 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

This verse shows that the kingdom of heaven will be Earth not heaven as heaven cannot have any east or west.

 

[Giuliano]

GIULIANO my friend and brother
I have all the story my friend and have for 42 years. I don't set the word of God against itself, I study for harmony and truth and LOVE.

The word of God can never be used as a weapon against itself, as God is not a God of confusion or contradiction.

If you find verses that SEEM to be in contradiction to other verses, you must study until you find HARMONY IN ALL SCRIPTURES.

Too many today find delight in using the word of God as a "Battering RAM, to try to drive a point home, only to their DESTRUCTION!!!


May your life be filled with much peace and love as you walk the NARROW PATH .
my name is OLIGOS

I don't find them contradictory myself. I'll admit it made me think, but I think I figured it out. I was hoping perhaps you'd offer an explanation; but I see if you have one, you didn't give it. You say you have "all the story" but don't seem willing to address my point.

Perhaps you misread me. Perhaps you thought I was implying Jesus was contradicting himself. If so, you got that wrong.

I think maybe you are the one who needs to read the Bible more carefully. Shall I go on? You wrote: "In the Old Testament God Killed Priests by lightning from heaven that offered up unholy fire for worship."

Leviticus does not say that. It says two of them offered strange fire "before the LORD" and that "there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them." Doesn't say lightning and doesn't sound like lightning to me.

Another line made me scratch my head: "God destroyed Sodom and Gamorrah for their lusting after unholy flesh." Are you talking about the desire to have sex with the angels? If so, why use the word "unholy"? Was that the reason? God had already decided to destroy Sodom before that happened.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

This verse shows that the kingdom of heaven will be Earth not heaven as heaven cannot have any east or west.

“As heaven cannot have any East or west”. Then is the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are tormented also earth having “day and night”? Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 21:23-25 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. [24] And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. [25] And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

 

[Giuliano]

My friend, my friend
I think we are just in different stages of our faith with different beliefs and possibly need to agree to disagree.
As far as offering an explaination for what I said, I find people here to be very willing to "ATTACK VEHEMANTLY " anything they don't agree with including those not in the conversation stealing threads and taking over the entire thread, and so am even pondering whether to even stay here.

I came here to learn and to share, and there seems to be a "DEVISIVNESS" here on this forum that I am struggling with.

If I sounded "GRUMPY" I apologize". I am frustrated with the overall tone of the forum, and I probably didn't help any.
Again my deepest apologies.

My name is OLIGOS

No real harm done as far as I can see. I did think you were coming across as harsh in that post (179). That is the reason you got that kind of response from me.