Jesus "IS" not was!! Jesus IS the Great I AM!

[GISMYS_7]

Jesus "" IS "" not was!!! Jesus is the Great I Am.


All need to Learn who Jesus "IS" = I Am.(Not was or will be)and the Great I Am is God!!===John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

John 8:24 (NASB)
24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”


John 6:51:"I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever;"

John 8:23: And He said to them, "You are from beneath; I AM from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

John 8:12: Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I AM the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

John 10:9: "I AM the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture."

John 10:11: "I AM the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.

John 10:36: "do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?

John 11:25: Jesus said to her, "I AM the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.

John 14:6: Jesus said to him, "I AM the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

 

[DPMartin]

well, who sent Moses to the Israelites in Egypt? Jesus is the Word of God made flesh and nothing was made without Jesus. see creation all was spoken into being. all of creation, living or inanimate, knows it's Creator and Judge through His Word. nothing knows God but through His Word. hence as Jesus says, all power of Heaven and Earth are given Him. like Joseph with the pharaoh who was given full rule of the kingdom under pharaoh.

even when Jesus walked on the water, what was He showing the disciples? that He can do neat tricks? or was it that when the Almighty came into His creation He moved upon the face of the waters. Jesus did the very same thing didn't He?

the Lord God has parted water for His people and held back rivers for His people to walk on dry land, but only He walks over the water.

 

[101G]

Addressing to OP, the Lord Jesus is the GREAT "I AM" correct and true, but in a G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') shared state in flesh. your John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins". this statement comes directly from what the LORD God almighty said in,
Isaiah 52:6 "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I". the same person, (the Father), only now shared in flesh, (the son).

so you're correct, only the Lord here in John 8:24 is only G2758 κενόω kenoo in flesh, whereas in Isaiah 52:6 not in a G2758 κενόω kenoo state if being "Shared".

PICJAG.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

Jesus, you are the center of my joy. One can sing it and live it.

 

[Pearl]

We used to sing a brilliant song in church called, 'Jesus is Alive and Living in His Church' I don't think it is on You tube because it was written by our own musicians. It is brilliant.

 

[DNB]

Jesus "" IS "" not was!!! Jesus is the Great I Am.

All need to Learn who Jesus "IS" = I Am.(Not was or will be)and the Great I Am is God!!===John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

You need to learn how to correctly exegete the Bible.
God's use of 'I am' in Exodus 3:14, that is, the Hebrew word 'eh-yeh, is a phrase or a concept, as in the aseity of God, or just the fact that He exists.
'eh-yeh, in and of itself, is used throughout the OT, for many people.

1 Samuel 18:18
But David said to Saul, "Who am I, and what is my life or my father's family in Israel, that I should be the king's son-in-law?"
Judges 8:9
So Jephthah said to the elders of Gilead, "If you take me back to fight against the sons of Ammon and the LORD gives them up to me, will I become your head?"
1 Samuel 23:17
Thus he said to him, "Do not be afraid, because the hand of Saul my father will not find you, and you will be king over Israel and I will be next to you; and Saul my father knows that also."
etc...

Thus, the Septuagint translates it as the Greek phrase egō eimi , in both the OT & the NT.
And as the OT, it used for various people throughout the NT.

Exodus 3:14
"And God spoke to Moses, saying, I am (ego eimi) THE BEING; and he said, Thus shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE BEING has sent me to you."

1 Timothy 1:15
It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am (ego eimi) foremost of all.
Acts 10:21
Peter went down to the men and said, "Behold, I am (ego eimi) the one you are looking for; what is the reason for which you have come?"
Luke 1:19
The angel answered and said to him, "I am (ego eimi) Gabriel, who stands in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to bring you this good news.
John 9:8
The neighbours and those who had seen him before as a beggar were saying, “Is this not the man who used to sit and beg?” Some said, “It is he.” Others said, “No, but he is like him.” He kept saying, “I am he.” (ego eimi)
etc....

You've jumped to an absurd conclusion, with absolutely no Biblical justification.

 

[tigger 2]

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[n2thelight]

So the below verse means what to you?

Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

 

[tigger 2]

So the below verse means what to you?

Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Since "The Alpha and the Omega" and "the Almighty" are used only for God the Father, I understand "the one who is and who was and who is coming" as describing His activities throughout time.

 

[Pearl]

Since "The Alpha and the Omega" and "the Almighty" are used only for God the Father, I understand "the one who is and who was and who is coming" as describing His activities throughout time.

God says it in the Old Testament - in Isaiah but it is Jesus speaking in Revelation.

 

[tigger 2]

Where in Isaiah (proper references, please)? Proof that Jesus is saying he is the Alpha and Omega in Revelation?

 

[Pearl]

Where in Isaiah (proper references, please)? Proof that Jesus is saying he is the Alpha and Omega in Revelation?

Isaiah 44:6
‘This is what the Lord says – Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

Jesus proclaimed Himself to be the “Alpha and Omega” in Revelation 1:8, 11; 21:6; and 22:13. Alpha and omega are the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet. Among the Jewish rabbis, it was common to use the first and the last letters of the Hebrew alphabet to denote the whole of anything, from beginning to end. Jesus as the beginning and end of all things is a reference to no one but the true God. This statement of eternality could apply only to God. It is seen especially in Revelation 22:13, where Jesus proclaims that He is “the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

One of the meanings of Jesus being the “Alpha and Omega” is that He was at the beginning of all things and will be at the close. It is equivalent to saying He always existed and always will exist. It was Christ, as second Person of the Trinity, who brought about the creation: “Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made” (John 1:3), and His Second Coming will be the beginning of the end of creation as we know it (2 Peter 3:10). As God incarnate, He has no beginning, nor will He have any end with respect to time, being from everlasting to everlasting.

A second meaning of Jesus as the “Alpha and Omega” is that the phrase identifies Him as the God of the Old Testament. Isaiah ascribes this aspect of Jesus’ nature as part of the triune God in several places. “I, the Lord, am the first, and with the last I am He” (41:4). “I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God” (Isaiah 44:6). “I am he; I am the first, I also am the last” (Isaiah 48:12). These are clear indications of the eternal nature of the Godhead.

Christ, as the Alpha and Omega, is the first and last in so many ways. He is the “author and finisher” of our faith (Hebrews 12:2), signifying that He begins it and carries it through to completion. He is the totality, the sum and substance of the Scriptures, both of the Law and of the Gospel (John 1:1, 14). He is the fulfilling end of the Law (Matthew 5:17), and He is the beginning subject matter of the gospel of grace through faith, not of works (Ephesians 2:8-9). He is found in the first verse of Genesis and in the last verse of Revelation. He is the first and last, the all in all of salvation, from the justification before God to the final sanctification of His people.

Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the first and last, the beginning and the end. Only God incarnate could make such a statement. Only Jesus Christ is God incarnate.

 

[tigger 2]

Isaiah 44:6


Pearl: ‘This is what the Lord says – Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.' - NIV (?).

Here is what the NIV actually says: 'This is what the LORD says - Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty [sic]: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.'

'LORD' is a code word for the actual personal name of God [Ps. 83:18, KJV] which most translators use to avoid the actual name, YHWH. Furthermore, although YHWH truly is God Almighty, this word is not used here in the Hebrew. It is actually Jehovah of hosts (or Jehovah of armies).

"Jehovah of Hosts: 'I (am) the First and I (am) the Last; and no God exists except Me." - The Interlinear Bible, Baker Book House, 1982.

The statement that He is the first and the last is a description of what follows: He is the ONLY God. "First and Last" means 'only' in some sense. In this case, context shows it refers to the ONLY God.
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Pearl: Jesus proclaimed Himself to be the “Alpha and Omega” in Revelation 1:8, 11; 21:6; and 22:13. Alpha and omega are the first and last letters of the Greek alphabet. Among the Jewish rabbis, it was common to use the first and the last letters of the Hebrew alphabet to denote the whole of anything, from beginning to end. Jesus as the beginning and end of all things is a reference to no one but the true God. This statement of eternality could apply only to God. This statement of eternality could apply only to God. It is seen especially in Revelation 22:13, where Jesus proclaims that He is “the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

It is seen especially in Revelation 22:13, where Jesus proclaims that He is “the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

Rev. 1:8 is the Father speaking, the Almighty. Rev. 1:11 is an addition by later copyists.

There are only three places in the entire Bible where the title “Alpha and Omega” is used: Rev. 1:8; Rev. 21:6; Rev. 22:13. “Alpha and Omega” as found at Rev. 1:11 in the KJV and NKJV is recognized as spurious by most modern Bible scholars (check your own NIV which you quoted above):


"Virtually all modern translations do not include in Rev 1:11 the following words that are in the KJV version of that verse:

"Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and,

"This wording at the beginning of the KJV's version of Rev. 1:11 is not found in virtually any ancient texts, nor is it mentioned, even as a footnote, in any modern translation or in Bruce Metzger's definitive A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, Second Edition, New York: United Bible Societies, 1994" -

http://www.bibletexts.com/versecom/rev01v11.htm


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"There are only three pre-ninth century Greek MSS which attest to this passage [Rev. 1:11], and all three of them omit the phrase "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last." In addition, many later MSS and versions also omit. Hodges & Farstad's "Majority" text omits, and Robinson & Pierpont's "Byzantine/Majority" text omits. Thus whether one bases one's text largely on pre-ninth century MSS, or whether one bases one's text on the Majority of Greek MSS, either way, this phrase should be omitted."

-Steven Craig Miller - http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-greek/attachments/19991221/464d6391/attachment.htm


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Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset and David Brown

Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible

Revelation 1:11. I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last; and--The oldest manuscripts, omit all this clause. - http://www.ccel.org/j/jfb/jfb/JFB66.htm#Chapter1


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The Adam Clarke Commentary

Revelation 1

Verse 11." I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and

"This whole clause is wanting in ABC, thirty-one others; some editions; the Syriac, Coptic, Ethiopic, Armenian, Slavonic, Vulgate, Arethas, Andreas, and Primasius. Griesbach has left it out of the text."

The truth of the above can be observed by merely examining most NT texts, translations, or modern commentaries.

 

[tigger 2]

Is Jesus ‘Alpha and Omega’ in Rev. 22:13?

Now look at Rev. 22:8-16. John is identified as the speaker in 22:8. The angel speaks in v. 9). The angel apparently continues speaking in v. 10). The angel may be still speaking in v. 11) --- or it could be John or even someone else (as implied in verse 10 in the NAB, 1970 ed.).


Now is the angel still speaking in v. 12) or is it God, or is it Jesus, or even John? There is simply no way of telling who the speaker is from any of the early Bible manuscripts. It’s entirely a matter of translator’s choice. Some translators have decided it is the angel who continues to speak, and they punctuate it accordingly. So the NASB, JB, and NJB use quotation marks to show that these are all words spoken by the angel.

However, the NKJV, NEB, REB, RSV, and NRSV show by their use of quotation marks that someone else is now speaking in verse 12. Most Bibles indicate that the person who spoke verse 12 (whether God, angel, Jesus, or John) also spoke verse 13 (“I am Alpha and Omega”).

Now the big question is: Is it clear that the speaker of verses 12 and 13 continues to speak? Some Bibles indicate this. But other highly respected trinitarian translations do not!

The ESV; ISV; LEB; MEV; MOUNCE; NAB (2010 ed.); NASB; NEB; NKJV; NLT; NRSV; REB; RSV; 21st Century King James Version; TEV; and WE show (by quotation marks and indenting) that Rev. 22:14 and 15 are not the words of the speaker of verses 12 and 13 but are John’s words. (The Jerusalem Bible; the NJB; and Moffatt show us that the angel spoke all the words from verse 10 through verse 15.) Then they show Jesus as a new speaker beginning to speak in verse 16.

So, if you must insist that the person speaking just before verse 16 is the same person who is speaking in verse 16, then, according to the trinitarian ESV; ISV; LEB; MEV; MOUNCE; NAB (2010 ed.); NASB; NEB; NKJV; NLT; NRSV; REB; RSV; 21st Century King James Version, TEV; and WE , you are saying John is Jesus!!! (According to the JB and NJB you would be insisting that the angel is Jesus!)

And, just as the use of “I, John” indicated a new speaker in Revelation 1:9, so does the only other such usage in that same book. Yes, Rev. 22:16 - “I, Jesus” also introduces a new speaker. This means, of course, that the previous statement (“I am the Alpha and Omega”) was made by someone else!

Even the KJV translators have shown by their use of the word “his” in verse 14 that they didn’t mean that Jesus was the same speaker as the Alpha and Omega. The speaker of verse 13 is Almighty God. The comment in verse 14 of these Bibles (as literally translated from the Received Text) explains the importance of doing “His Commandments” (not “My Commandments”)! Therefore the speaker of verse 14 is obviously not God as clearly stated by those Bibles which were translated from the Received Text, e.g., KJV; NKJV; KJIIV; MKJV; Young’s Literal Translation; Webster Bible(by Noah Webster); Revised Webster Bible; and Lamsa’s translation (Holy Bible From the Ancient Eastern Text).

So we can easily see that there is no reason to say Jesus spoke the words recorded at Rev. 22:13 (or the above-named trinitarian Bibles would surely have so translated it!) and, in fact, the context really identifies the speaker as being the same person who spoke at Rev. 1:8, God Almighty, Jehovah, the Father.

The only other use of the title “Alpha and Omega” confirms this understanding.

“And He who sits on the throne said, ‘Behold, I am making all things new.’ .... And He said to me, ‘It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. .... He who overcomes shall inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.’” - Rev. 21:5-7, NASB.

“Revelation 21:6, 7 indicates that Christians who are spiritual conquerors are to be ‘sons’ of the one known as the Alpha and the Omega. That is never said of the relationship of spirit-anointed Christians to Jesus Christ. Jesus spoke of them as his ‘brothers.’ (Heb. 2:11; Matt. 12:50; 25:40) But those ‘brothers’ of Jesus are referred to as ‘sons of God [the Father].’ (Gal. 3:26; 4:6).” - pp. 412-413, Reasoning from the Scriptures, WBTS, 1985.

So Rev. 21:6, 7 confirms the understanding that the Alpha and Omega is the Father, not Jesus.

In short, there is no reason, other than a desire to support the trinity tradition, to believe that Jesus is being called “Alpha and Omega” in Rev. 22. And there is good evidence to believe that it is his Father only who uses this title for himself.


Rev. 22:13 - "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end (these word have hitherto been said by the Father: see above, ch. i.8, and xxi.6, and notes. And in all probability it is so here likewise, whether we assume the words to be spoken by Christ in God's name, or by the Eternal Father Himself)." - The Greek Testament, by Dr. Henry Alford, Late Dean of Canterbury.