Passover vs Eucharist

[Grailhunter]

Wow, you are more messed up than I assumed.

Romans 4:3, "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness." This type of righteousness is required for one to go to heaven. "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Mat. 5:20)
Abraham got saved when he believed God's promise. "And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness." (Rom. 4:21-22)

Genesis 15:1-6
15 After this, the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision:

“Do not be afraid, Abram.
I am your shield,[a]
your very great reward.”

2 But Abram said, “Sovereign Lord, what can you give me since I remain childless and the one who will inherit[c] my estate is Eliezer of Damascus?” 3 And Abram said, “You have given me no children; so a servant in my household will be my heir.”

4 Then the word of the Lord came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son who is your own flesh and blood will be your heir.” 5 He took him outside and said, “Look up at the sky and count the stars—if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring[d] be.”

6 Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness.

As for heaven and hell:
Old Testament writers clearly taught that people who rejected the only true God and the Messiah he promised would experience God’s eternal wrath (Isaiah 66:24; Daniel 12:2).
Old Testament writers spoke of people enjoying God’s eternal blessings through faith in him. The writers described heaven in different ways: being at God’s right hand (Psalm 16:11), dwelling in the house of the Lord (Psalm 23:6), being with God in glory (Psalm 73:24), a place of joy (Isaiah 26:19) and the enjoyment of everlasting life. (Daniel 12:1-3)

Wow, you are more messed up than I assumed.
Cop out! Find the scripture where God is warning someone about the devil?
Renniks is a cop out! Find the scripture where God is threatening them with hell...hellish inferno.
Renniks is really a cop out! Find the scripture where God is promising the Israelites heaven if they are "good"
lol Ya got to know the Bible if you want to debate.

 

[Renniks]

Wow, you are more messed up than I assumed.
Cop out! Find the scripture where God is warning someone about the devil?
Renniks is a cop out! Find the scripture where God is threatening them with hell...hellish inferno.
Renniks is really a cop out! Find the scripture where God is promising the Israelites heaven if they are "good"
lol Ya got to know the Bible if you want to debate.

Did you not read the scriptures I quoted? BTW, how old are you? Because this post of yours sounds like a 12-year-old wrote it.

 

[Grailhunter]

Did you not read the scriptures I quoted? BTW, how old are you? Because this post of yours sounds like a 12-year-old wrote it.

Wow, you are more messed up than I assumed.
Again!
In the Old Testament....take the challenge!
Cop out! Find the scripture where God is warning someone about the devil?
Renniks is a cop out! Find the scripture where God is threatening them with hell...hellish inferno.
Renniks is really a cop out! Find the scripture where God is promising the Israelites heaven if they are "good"
lol Ya got to know the Bible if you want to debate.
And thank you I am 12 years old and I beat you in a debate with a baby bottle in one hand and rattler in the other!

 

[Philip James]

"For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness." This type of righteousness is required for one to go to heaven

God said 'this is my body' do you believe Him?

Peace!

 

[Renniks]

Wow, you are more messed up than I assumed.
Again!
In the Old Testament....take the challenge!
Cop out! Find the scripture where God is warning someone about the devil?
Renniks is a cop out! Find the scripture where God is threatening them with hell...hellish inferno.
Renniks is really a cop out! Find the scripture where God is promising the Israelites heaven if they are "good"
lol Ya got to know the Bible if you want to debate.
And thank you I am 12 years old and I beat you in a debate with a baby bottle in one hand and rattler in the other!

Yes, definitely a little kid who doesn't know how to have a debate. You lose, child. I gave you the verses that you asked for and now you're angry.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes, definitely a little kid who doesn't know how to have a debate. You lose, child. I gave you the verses that you asked for and now you're angry.

No anger just messing with a real thick person....good times.
Again!
In the Old Testament....take the challenge!
Cop out! Find the scripture where God is warning someone about the devil?
Renniks is a cop out! Find the scripture where God is threatening them with hell...hellish inferno.
Renniks is really a cop out! Find the scripture where God is promising the Israelites heaven if they are "good"
lol Ya got to know the Bible if you want to debate.

 

[Renniks]

God said 'this is my body' do you believe Him?

Peace!

Of course I do. Just as I believe Abraham was justified by faith. " This is my body." Is a spiritual reality.
Just as Jesus being the gate is a spiritual reality.

John 10:9, NIV: "I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture."

 

[Renniks]

No anger just messing with a real thick person....good times.
Again!
In the Old Testament....take the challenge!
Cop out! Find the scripture where God is warning someone about the devil?
Renniks is a cop out! Find the scripture where God is threatening them with hell...hellish inferno.
Renniks is really a cop out! Find the scripture where God is promising the Israelites heaven if they are "good"
lol Ya got to know the Bible if you want to debate.

You are boring and childish. I already answered. You did not respond. Goodbye.

 

[Philip James]

" This is my body." Is a spiritual reality.

Indeed, it is a spiritual reality that the Eucharist is the flesh and blood of our Lord, Jesus Christ.
Flesh that was born of Mary, suffered, was crucified and died. Flesh that rose again.
And, of course, because He is risen, where His flesh and blood are, there too, is His soul and divinity.

In short, the Eucharist is Jesus and it is right and just to act accordingly.

Peace be with you!

 

[Renniks]

Indeed, it is a spiritual reality that the Eucharist is the flesh and blood of our Lord, Jesus Christ.
Flesh that was born of Mary, suffered, was crucified and died. Flesh that rose again.
And, of course, because He is risen, where His flesh and blood are, there too, is His soul and divinity.

In short, the Eucharist is Jesus and it is right and just to act accordingly.

Peace be with you!

A spiritual reality, not a physical reality. It's not physically flesh and blood. It's fruit of the vine and bread. Just as the spiritual reality is that Jesus is a door or gate to God's kingdom. He's not those things physically.

 

[Philip James]

He's not those things physically.

Well of course He is! You are confusing physical with natural. He has a supernatural resurrected body.

I reject the notion that He cannot be touched and handled..

Peace be with you!

Christ IS risen!
Alleluia!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

We can take it with unconfessed sin in our hearts. Again, it being a spiritual reality and not a physical one plays no part in it being participation in Christ.

As Jesus said

Do not work for food which perishes (the eucharist would fit this defenition) but for food which endures forever. The bread from heaven, Where EVERYONE who eats it recieves eternal life and Gods personal promise to raise them on the last day

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I don't know how one lives in a closet, so I don't know the answer. Life will present choices and true faith will produce results. They may seem like tiny, unimportant results or big glorious results, but any move forward is progress. But the progress isn't what saves, it's one's continued faith.
Personally I don't believe the wicked servant in the parable of the talents was a true believer. He didn't know his " Master" and therefore was not worthy of heaven.

Try standing before God and saying:"I’ve lived a good life and done the best that I could do.” Or, “I am a basically good person and I’ve never tried to hurt anyone."
Do you suppose that's gonna get you into heaven? Why not, if works save?
No, salvation requires a spiritual resurrection from the dead. It requires having God forgive your sins, so that you are truly reconciled to Him.
This doesn't happen based on doing good deeds.
Salvation is by grace through faith alone, not as a result of good works, so that God alone gets the glory.

The thought that one who has TRUE faith will live in a closet is confusing. why would one who has true saving faith. hide? If they believed God save them, they have no reasing to hide

The reason one hides is they know they are guilty and are afraid, because they know they are guilty and have yet to be redeemed

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes.

Imagine the though

I have faith in you. But refuse to do anything you want.

Is that faith?

 

[Marymog]

Yes.

Hmmmm......Satan believes Christ is who he says he is and has faith in him. I wonder why Satan Doesn’t do good works and is saved.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

As is every believer. To the best of your knowledge he didn't get baptized? Lol, no he didn't unless it was post mortem.
Baptism is also symbolic, but no need to go there.

LOL......NO...Not “every” believer is saved by faith and grace. Scripture makes it clear that is NOT true but there is no need to go there.

Your theory that baptism is symbolic is a 500 year old Protestant teaching that not all Protestants believe. SOME still adhere to the 2,000 year teaching that baptism saves.....just like scripture says in 1 Peter 3:2 and Mark 16:16. You can ignore Scripture but I refuse to.

Most Christians believe that baptism is necessary because it is necessary to do what Christ told us to do. It seems you don’t....But there is no need to go there.....

 

[Marymog]

As is every believer. To the best of your knowledge he didn't get baptized? Lol, no he didn't unless it was post mortem.
Baptism is also symbolic, but no need to go there.

Yes, to the best of our knowledge he didn’t get baptized. Scripture doesn’t say anything about the good thief’s life BEFORE his crucifixion. He could have been a baptized Christian. Soooo your “LOL” flippant comment was unnecessary.

 

[Renniks]

Hmmmm......Satan believes Christ is who he says he is and has faith in him. I wonder why Satan Doesn’t do good works and is saved.

Mary

Because belief in the head is not trust in the heart. The belief necessary for salvation is more than head belief. As I said, it will produce changes in one's life, but the good fruit it produces is not our salvation.

 

[Renniks]

LOL......NO...Not “every” believer is saved by faith and grace. Scripture makes it clear that is NOT true but there is no need to go there.

Your theory that baptism is symbolic is a 500 year old Protestant teaching that not all Protestants believe. SOME still adhere to the 2,000 year teaching that baptism saves.....just like scripture says in 1 Peter 3:2 and Mark 16:16. You can ignore Scripture but I refuse to.

Most Christians believe that baptism is necessary because it is necessary to do what Christ told us to do. It seems you don’t....But there is no need to go there.....

That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ... for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Why don't you believe what scripture says?

 

[Marymog]

That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ... for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Why don't you believe what scripture says?

I believe ALL of Scripture. Not the cherry picked passages that support what you personally believe instead of what Christ and the Apostles taught.

The real question is: Why don’t you believe ALL of Scripture?