Shroud of Turin: Absolute proof the man seen in it is Jesus Christ

[Joseph77]

spamming over 900 posts, many threads, without a post of truth ?

Who supports you ? How many post with you ? What is your motivation for continuing against Scripture and opposed to the one True Savior Jesus ?

 

[Joseph77]

I'm just one guy against 100 of you and I have carried my own. Nobody can disprove what I have discovered about the Shroud.

Not one person has said wow that's interesting.

You seem opposed to truth, against God's Wisdom, and not in line with true knowledge - I doubt you could name 10 posters who have identified your false teachings and false gospel,
and since none of us has the authority to silence the false gospel you post,
rather you are welcome to continue posting here as you have,
perhaps someone else in another place will be spared having to deal with the false teachings ?

 

[Tong2020]

I know the answers already Tong. Its a Jesus and Mary heaven.

It's your right to believe what you want to believe. But what answers do you know? Are they the answers to my simple questions? If not, then who can answer my questions about the shroud when even you who claimed to have studied the shroud for 20 years don't have the answers? And if you don't have the answers, then that goes to say that your 20 year study proves short of my questions.

Get to know your Saviors Mother.

My Savior is the Lord Jesus Christ, according to the Bible. His mother in the flesh is the blessed virgin Mary. Besides Jesus, she had other children. And Mary, like sinful mankind, needed a savior, who else but God. She is not deity but is human. She is dead and had been dead for about 2000 years now.

God's Shroud is the word, too.

And that obviously is coming from you.

Tong
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[Tong2020]

I'm just one guy against 100 of you and I have carried my own. Nobody can disprove what I have discovered about the Shroud.

Not one person has said wow that's interesting.

Have I not told you, for the nth time now, if your mind and heart is open for repentance regarding this matter on the shroud of Turin and is willing to be corrected, I will tell you your blunder. I'm just waiting for your positive response.

Tong
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[brian100]

Mary has a sword thru her heart b/c everyone like you guys puts it there. Now you see yourselves?

Tong go away this is about the Shroud.

 

[Joseph77]

That's a totally false teaching, opposed to the Bible.

 

[Joseph77]

Have I not told you, for the nth time now, if your mind and heart is open for repentance regarding this matter on the shroud of Turin and is willing to be corrected, I will tell you your blunder. I'm just waiting for your positive response.

Tong
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It totally seems as if they (one or more) did not join the forum at all to try to learn the truth, to be healed, nor to be saved from deception - as they continue to post untruths, opposed to all Scripture, corrupt ideas, whether they are actually deceived by them or not - maybe just to deceive others ?

 

[brian100]

Joseph The Shroud is scientific evidence that contradicts your beliefs about Mary. Did u think I put it there?

 

[Joseph77]

The fake shroud has nothing to do with anything except deceiving you and deceiving others thru you and the ones promoting it.

 

[brian100]

Look when Jesus showed the sword going thru Mary's heart in 1500's. He put it there on the Shroud during the reformation. These are the water stains from the fire.

 

[Joseph77]

Look when Jesus showed the sword going thru Mary's heart in 1500's. He put it there during the reformation.

He never did that. All of your statements are from previous exposed corruptions/ deceptions by those you choose to be deceived by, and all of them are totally opposed to Jesus and to Scripture, all the time, every day.

 

[brian100]

Joseph please leave this topic. We'll let God show real soon what Truth is, and then you can come back...

 

[Tong2020]

Mary has a sword thru her heart b/c everyone like you guys puts it there. Now you see yourselves?

And brian says so. But don't ask him questions, because he will not answer them even while he says he will. And do you know who put that sword brian is talking about? Believe it or not. He claimed that God put the heart of Mary and of Jesus in the shroud sometime in the 1500's. And he saw those hearts not long ago, but not the sword. But just a few hours ago, there suddenly was the sword. Either God put it or he put it there, right there in the shroud of Turin just a few hours from now. But now he says "Mary has a sword thru her heart b/c everyone like you guys puts it there." Notice something?

Tong
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[Tong2020]

Tong go away this is about the Shroud.

On what authority are you sending me away? You seem now to be going over the top your head.

Have I not been talking about the shroud? My posts testifies to this.

Tong
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[Cristo Rei]

Maybe they just don't like the idea of basing their faith on it...which I'd have to agree with.

Basing faith on it is one thing but some of the comments really make me shake my head.
Until someone can replicate such an image then it remains a mystery and a possibility in my book.
There's a joker on youtube that uses paint and a written explanation of how this pinhole camera could do it.
That's all i could find

Also, Fran, the gentleman that opened this thread is taking the claim to another level. He has different ideas and frustrates people but i don't mind him
Look above at post #522 and give me your thoughts please... The voice of reason

 

[Cristo Rei]

I'm just one guy against 100 of you and I have carried my own. Nobody can disprove what I have discovered about the Shroud.

Not one person has said wow that's interesting.

Oh cmon mate i spoke up as well. And so did @GodsGrace. Three against 100 at least... LoL

Unless someone can properly replicate this phenomenon it can't be discounted.

 

[brian100]

On what authority are you sending me away? You seem now to be going over the top your head.

Have I not been talking about the shroud? My posts testifies to this.

Tong
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God will show you.. then you'll put 1 and 1 together and know.

The fake shroud has nothing to do with anything except deceiving you and deceiving others thru you and the ones promoting it.

I'd be careful calling it fake if I were you. You will see God tell you otherwise. I know what God does b/c I have spoken to Protestant friends about Mary before. But they never see the connection!

First you said it of the devil.. now you say its fake. Your so confused on it you don't know what to think.

 

[Tong2020]

You didn't bother to watch the video I posted, did you?

I did.

In the video, if I did not missed it, I haven't seen and heard anything that answers the question:

3. What happened to about the hundred pounds mixture of myrrh and aloes on the burial cloths used to wrap the dead body of Jesus?

If there is, please tell me what part of the video was it addressed? If it was not addressed, do you have the answers to the question? @brian100 apparently don't have the answers as well.

Also, in the video, it did say something about burial cloth and the manner of wrapping. But it was very briefly discussed, and even does not agree with the account in scriptures. He also claims that the manner of wrapping the dead body is not by wrapping the cloth around the body. And without much discussion he quickly moved to the "long hair" issue, speaking about it more than the more important thing, that is, the wrapping of the body. He only said that Jews wrapped the corpse’s body with a wide long cloth beginning at the feet and ending with the head as depicted in a photo he showed in the video to establish the shape and dimension of the Turin shroud. But that perspective contrasts with John’s description of Lazarus, when he came out of the grave. John wrote that when Lazarus came out of the grave, came out bound hand and foot with grave clothes, and his face was wrapped with a cloth. If there be any manner of wrapping the corpse at the time of Jesus' death, is that similar to Lazarus. Such also is in harmony of the testimony of John regarding Jesus' burial clothes. And so, the video did not satisfactorily addressed this matter and so, the question remains:

4. Scriptures speaks of "cloths", plural, meaning more than one piece. Evidently, one would be that was used to wrap around Jesus' head and the other (may be more than 1) would be that used to wrap around His body. So, how do you explain that there is only a single cloth (shroud of Turin) that supposedly wrapped around the entire body of Jesus including the head part?

If there is any in the video that I missed, please tell me what part of the video was it further addressed. If none else, do you have the answers to the question? @brian100 apparently don't have the answers as well.

Tong
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[brian100]

I don't need the bible to examine the Shroud. . . b/c All I need is a marking to tell who the man is. God put more than enuf markings on it after the fire.

He put the Virgin Mary sword piercing thru her heart during the reformation..(1500's) after nuns tossed water on it to put out the fire. Every Protestant puts a sword thru their Saviors Mothers heart now.

Luke 2:35
Douay-Rheims Bible
And thy own soul a sword shall pierce, that, out of many hearts, thoughts may be revealed.

 

[Tong2020]

Until someone can replicate such an image then it remains a mystery and a possibility in my book.

More than that, there are two points that should first be addressed which are points touching the scriptures, which were not addressed in all the videos I saw, at least those posted here.

1. What happened to about the hundred pounds mixture of myrrh and aloes on the burial cloths used to wrap the dead body of Jesus?

2. Scriptures speaks of "cloths", plural, meaning more than one piece. Evidently, one would be that was used to wrap around Jesus' head and the other (may be more than 1) would be that used to wrap around His body. So, how do you explain that there is only a single cloth (shroud of Turin) that supposedly wrapped around the entire body of Jesus including the head part?

Tong
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