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Brian,,,They claim the Shroud was made in the 1300's but yet in 1500 all this Sacred Heart and Immaculate Heart was added by a fire 2 centuries later. Must of been the same God who made it.
There are other proofs of Jesus.Not believing is Jesus works is a big sin to him.
This Shroud is the only proof of Jesus and Mary. It proves God added to the Shroud in the 1500's.
And 600 years later I'm first to see it.
There are other proofs of Jesus.
The resurrection should be enough for all of us.
This proves that Jesus is God.
It proves we should worship Him.
Jesus did do a lot of miracles.I'm sorry but you can't prove Jesus or Mary with just bibles.. you need miracles to prove them. And you shut up the Kingdom of heaven to others by saying this is all fake, not to be trusted, fraud, or works by the devil.. So this message to Preachers isn't just for them... it applies to anyone who allign themselves against the work of God.
Very good point.Book do not prove miracles. It proves faith. But miracles prove your faith is right. Which is what I have done.
I think everyone denied this man in the Shroud was Jesus Christ.. so faith isn't really faith to God. When a man sees and hears truth he believes.
The Shroud is seeing.
The Bible is hearing.
When Pilate said WHAT IS THE TRUTH?John 18
Then Pilate said to him, “So you are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world—to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.”
38Pilate said to him, “What is truth?”
Truth is the Shroud.
The seeing part.
The simple point is that what Satan and demons can do must not be left out of consideration in the investigation on the shroud.So now, any "evidence", whether HISTORICAL, GEOGRAPHIC, ARTIFACTS, -- EVERYTHING is satanically altered? -- Really?
Then if this is LITERALLY TRUE, then burn your Bible because satan is deceiving you in those words.
Bobby Jo
I think you entirely missed the point. Anyone who have an erroneous belief about the gospel must repent, be it because of the shroud or something else. When one makes out of anything, like of the shroud, an erroneous teaching or belief, so that it changes, adds or subtracts to the gospel that the apostles preached, he would be guilty of preaching a different gospel. And Paul said "let him be accursed". So, must he repent or not?This is soooo interesting.
You believe that anyone that has an erroneous belief about the gospel he must repent.
First, if a person is reading the gospels,. he has ALREADY repented.
This is why he's reading the gospel.
It's also possible that an unsaved person is reading the bible to find out about God,,,but it's usually the other way around.
AND....if I have a doctrine wrong, I'm lost?
That, my friend, would mean that we are all lost since no one believes 100% what any other person believes.
Must we be baptized to be saved?
Is OSAS correct?
Do we all agree on the above?
So, according to you, many born again believers are going to hell because they got a teaching wrong?
This is WORSE than the CC.
Did God go on vacation and put YOU in charge?
Please rethink your position or Jesus' death was totally uneffectual.
What about it? Not because you claim to see it, that it's what is really there. You don't get to force that on all.What about Mary's Immaculate heart being on the Shroud? Immaculate means clean and pure free of Sin. And the Protestant stick a sword in it every day.
The simple point is that what Satan and demons can do must not be left out of consideration in the investigation on ...
The matter about Mars is not analogous. The shroud is a real shroud as, no doubt. But that is not the issue. Rather, the issue is if the shroud was the actual grave clothes of Jesus Christ. Now, my questions are very relevant. In fact, they are one of the questions that must first be asked because scriptures talks about them.Tong,,,sorry for delay.
Must the video answer ALL questions in order for it to be real?
Do we know EVERYTHING about Mars?
Does this mean it's not real?
John 19:39 And Nicodemus, who at first came to Jesus by night, also came, bringing a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pounds. 40 Then they took the body of Jesus, and bound it in strips of linen with the spices, as the custom of the Jews is to bury.Anyway, yes, I'll be happy to answer your questions.
3. What happened to the Myrrh. Do we know it was hundreds of pounds?
Where is this stated? The woman who took care of Jesus' body were able to carry such a
weight?
With that kind of reasoning, we should not think that the resurrection would cause one not to worry too much about grave cloths.God created the universe. He could certainly remove myrrh from the top of His body when He resurrected. I should think that the resurrection would cause one not to worry too much about what happened to the myrrh!
Here's the thing about that we read in scriptures concerning the shroud. Notice what we have in John 20: 5-7, speaking of a head or face cloth, the "soudarion" and linen cloths or wrappings, the "othonion". Notice, we have a "soudarion" in the singular as to mean 1 piece. I think in other videos they somehow came up with an explanation to that. But here is where the issue lies, in the "othonion". In John 20: 5-7, the "othonion" is in the plural as to mean at least two pieces, which we also see in John 19:40 to be in the plural. And yet, the shroud of Turin, the supposed "othonion", is just 1 piece. What can you say about that?4. The video touched on this and, frankly, I don't remember what the speaker stated.
I believe that the face cloth was found neatly folded near Jesus' position on the stone slab.
Here is how John recounts the finding of the cloths:
John 20:1-7
1Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came early to the tomb, while it was still dark, and saw the stone already taken away from the tomb.
2So she ran and came to Simon Peter and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him.”
3So Peter and the other disciple went forth, and they were going to the tomb.
4The two were running together; and the other disciple ran ahead faster than Peter and came to the tomb first;
5and stooping and looking in, he saw the linen wrappings lying there; but he did not go in.
6And so Simon Peter also came, following him, and entered the tomb; and he saw the linen wrappings lying there,
7and the face-cloth which had been on His head, not lying with the linen wrappings, but rolled up in a place by itself.
As you can see from John's account, he got to the tomb first (it is believed that Peter and John went to the tomb and John got there first because he was younger and ran quicker).
Then came Peter and entered the tomb.
And he saw the linen wrappings lying there.
And the FACE CLOTH which HAD BEEN on Jesus' head, NOT LYING WITH THE WRAPPINGS, but rolled up IN A PLACE BY ITSELF.
That would be the explanation. Told by John who was a witness.