God Himself has made an arrangement for the people to have an English translation, causing a huge spike in the reformation 400 years ago. The latter works are late to the party.
King James Version Only...?
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Davy
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I am familiar with the KJV translators Letter To The Reader in the 1st Edition of the 1611 KJV Bible. Every English speaking Bible student should read it, as they mentioned whatever shortcomings on their translation. Simply, there is no absolutely perfect translation from the original manuscripts, so that type of argument is moot.
Davy
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Apparently you don't understand the working of Christ's enemies against His Church involving Bible translations, nor the idea of schools of theology that existed in Alexandria, Egypt influenced by Greek Platonism.
Eternally Grateful
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Do agape and phileo mean the exact same thing? Are they equivalent words which can be used interchangeably because they are prickly equal with one another?
Eternally Grateful
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Oh it endures, it endures in many English texts, you just want to make an idle out of one text
Did you know that similar words have different meanings per their context?
No, just a solid translation instead of trying to piece the perfect word of God together from hundreds of modern translations.
As usual, you don't know what you are talking about. Bruce Metzger was ridiculed by a liberal NT professor for being a devout evangelical with a high view of Scripture.
Bruce Metzger, Beloved by Modernists, Evangelicals, and Fundamentalists
Bruce Metzger, Beloved by Modernists, Evangelicals, and Fundamentalists, Way of Life Literature
YeshuaFan1
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Yes, but not ordained in the sense that God directly inspired their end result!
YeshuaFan1
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Davy
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Been done. One can look online for the direct comparisons that show the differences, and also the amount of missing Scriptures in the NIV which the Received Texts have.
Speaking of incorrect translations...
Apparently the whole civil war between the Samaritans (Jewish ancestry but not pure jewish) and the Jews involved a changing of scriptures to read that essentially the Samaritans weren't allowed in the Temple and had to worship elsewhere. Which was of course a direct fabrication and known lie.
Now Torah Scrolls started at a price of around the equivalent of $90,000 in today's money. It took an entire community years to collect that kind of money together to form a synagogue and buy a Torah scroll.
Just to purchase a known, intentionally corrupted copy. They were a more than a little hot about the situation.
So they threw a corpse into the Temple at Passover or just before Atonement Day (can't remember)... defiling the cleanliness of the Temple without enough time to clean it up for the requisite festival.
Then the fighting broke out into a huge riot and the Romans came in and slaughtered everyone who was fighting. (Jews won't kill Samaritans and Samaritans wouldn't kill Jews)
Which got everyone upset with the Romans...
Apparently the whole civil war between the Samaritans (Jewish ancestry but not pure jewish) and the Jews involved a changing of scriptures to read that essentially the Samaritans weren't allowed in the Temple and had to worship elsewhere. Which was of course a direct fabrication and known lie.
Now Torah Scrolls started at a price of around the equivalent of $90,000 in today's money. It took an entire community years to collect that kind of money together to form a synagogue and buy a Torah scroll.
Just to purchase a known, intentionally corrupted copy. They were a more than a little hot about the situation.
So they threw a corpse into the Temple at Passover or just before Atonement Day (can't remember)... defiling the cleanliness of the Temple without enough time to clean it up for the requisite festival.
Then the fighting broke out into a huge riot and the Romans came in and slaughtered everyone who was fighting. (Jews won't kill Samaritans and Samaritans wouldn't kill Jews)
Which got everyone upset with the Romans...
Oh of course not... LOL...to believe that sort of thing you would have to believe in not only human perfection but in collective human perfection.
Not me in this lifetime for sure I can tell you that much. I mean really...look at the political scene...
YeshuaFan1
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Yes, as do not think that he held to verbal plenary view, but did see it as inspired!
Bobby Jo
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We DO have copies of the Original Manuscripts, in the Masoretic Text.
This is so counter intuitive, I don't know where to begin. -- Some Hebrew words have NO direct translation. Hebrew has both Concise Feminine Gender and Inconcise Masculine Gender texts. They might be analogous to calling a CONCISE "car"/"truck"/"van"/etc., versus the INCONCISE "vehicle", -- as in where the Dan. 9 "weeks" are interpreted as "sevens", the actual diction is the INCONCISE Masculine Text which is found ONLY in the 9th Chapter of Daniel, and not ANYWHERE ELSE in Scripture, including the citation in Daniel 10.
So do we simply "gloss over" these CLUES, or do we search for the deeper hidden knowledge of GOD:
Jeremiah 33:3 Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you great and hidden things which you have not known.
Secondly, consider these two translations:
KJV -- Dan. 9:25 ... from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall
RSV -- Dan. 9:25 ... from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat
RSV -- Dan. 9:25 ... from the going forth of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat
Clearly the KJV has a FALSE "Jesus Agenda" where the messiah "M" is capitalized, -- although there is NO capitalization in Hebrew. And the KJV combines the "seven" with the "sixty-two", as though GOD's intent was to express "SIXTY-NINE". And there is NO PRECEDENT in Scripture or ANY CULTURE in World History where a pair of shoes cost: seven and sixty-two dollars plus tax. They may cost "sixty-nine", but NEVER "seven and sixty-two".
But silly people believe silly things.
Bobby Jo
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Davy
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You shouldn't mock, since you cannot seem to follow the simplicity of The Word of God that the Church does have in their possession today.
Deny this again will you?
Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV
Mark 13:24-27
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV
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