Near-Death-Experience Of A Blind Woman

[Qtipie]

Recently, I read about a near-death-experience of a blind woman, who made verifiable and correct observations [Ri 2], after having had an out-of-body-experience. At Long Island, the 70-years old blind woman specified very accurate and clear, what happened around her, when she was resuscitated after an heart attack. This woman has been blind since she was 18 years old. She was not only able to describe precisely the medical devices, but also their colour. These medical devices were not invented at the time, when that woman lost her eyesight about fifty years ago. Surprisingly, she even knew, that the physician had a blue suit, when he started the resuscitation [M 17].

[Ri 2] Kenneth Ring, Sharon Cooper: Mindsight. Near Death and Out-of-Body experiences in the Blind. New York, Bloomington, Shanghai: iUniverse ISBN 978-0-595-43497-8 p. 26

[M 17] Raymond A. Moody (übersetzt durch Lieselotte Mietzner): Das Licht von Drüben, Neue Fragen und Antworten. 1989 Reinbek bei Hamburg: Rowohlt. ISBN 3-498-04315-3 p. 175

(see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_death_experience ,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience )

How could one explain something like this? What's your opinion?

 

[Miss Hepburn]

Since I spend 50% of my reading and internet time reading about NDEs and being on NDE Forums, my opinion is obvious. Ha!
Happens everyday. Nothing new to me.
I loan a copy of Moody's "Life after Life" to many people to watch. For Christians I give away Don Piper's "90 Minues in Heaven" - maybe bec
he's a preacher it helps.

Be careful - some people here may think it's s----a-----t----a----n. wink.

One question what does [Ri2] and [M17] mean?
Welcome here, Qtipie.

:) Miss Hepburn

 

[Martin W.]

I have followed NDE research since the 1970's and am convinced it does indeed give evidence of the separation of soul and body at death.

Here is an excellent free website that documents thousands of NDE experiences. Very interesting reading.

http://www.nderf.org/

 

[Miss Hepburn]

http://www.nderf.org/marilena_r_nde.htm

I particularly enjoyed this story. Thank you for the link, Martin - I had forgotten last year to put it in my favorites.

 

[6stringedsignseeker]

I'm kinda torn on this issue. I've heard some pretty convincing stories regarding NDEs, however I don't understand why (like in some cases) God would bring us into Heaven, or see Jesus, only to have us return to our bodies in life.

 

[Martin W.]

I'm kinda torn on this issue. I've heard some pretty convincing stories regarding NDEs, however I don't understand why (like in some cases) God would bring us into Heaven, or see Jesus, only to have us return to our bodies in life.

Hello 6string.

I think we are given many indications that the soul is distinct from the body.

While we are down here our soul and body obviously occupy the same place but let's face it, when we die it is just meat and bones that goes to into the grave.

Our souls go to be with the Lord. We are not told exactly how that works or what it will be like.

It appears that at the resurrection our souls are again reunited with our bodies , only this time we are given new bodies that will never again see death.

I find this whole subject intriguing and it conjures up a lot of questions .... How much does our personality weigh? .... How much does our memory weigh? ..... Does our soul have mass? ..... How much does spirit weigh? ..... Does it take up space? .... does The received Holy Spirit live in our soul or somewhere else? .... is our inherited sinful nature spiritual ? .... Will we remember our earthly lives after we are resurrected to eternal life?

In summary if our soul and personality do not remain in some form or the other , what would be the purpose of all this anyway.? To come back as someone else or something else is not really coming back at all. At least that is my take on it.

I have a mind that constantly looks for facts and information that is partly veiled yet there to ponder. For example the subject of NDE research strongly indicates that (our soul) can live outside our physical body at death. Yet (our soul) can still see and hear and feel in spite of the fact that our physical eyes , ears, nerves and brain are dead and no longer functioning.

Martin

EDIT:
Qtips post #1 describing how a blind person could "see" is very convincing evidence (in my opinion)

 

[Martin W.]

I have never had a Near Death Experience but I was translated to the Angelic Realm for just under a minute. It was the place where departed Christians go and I got a good look. I was given precise information regarding earthly prophetic fulfillment. The angels were in the surroundings but invisible (to me) . The departed Christian looked exactly like here on earth except utterly perfect. The departed (Christian) looked about 28 years of age even though they had passed away at an older age. The context was joyous, peaceful, happy , yet exciting.



For a (living) Christian to be able to translate to the Angelic realm , see departed Christians , and return is entirely scriptural.

I am not referring to Apostles or Prophets who interacted with God, Angels & Holy Spirit. I am talking about everyday Christians like us.

I will send $100 to the first person who can quote the verse. Each person gets only one chance.

I would love to give away the money but my observations indicate my money is safe. Thousands of people can cut and paste endless scripture and doctrine , but rare is the person who can read and understand. Prove me wrong please.

Best regards
Martin W.

 

[6stringedsignseeker]

Hello 6string.

I think we are given many indications that the soul is distinct from the body.

While we are down here our soul and body obviously occupy the same place but let's face it, when we die it is just meat and bones that goes to into the grave.

Our souls go to be with the Lord. We are not told exactly how that works or what it will be like.

It appears that at the resurrection our souls are again reunited with our bodies , only this time we are given new bodies that will never again see death.

I find this whole subject intriguing and it conjures up a lot of questions .... How much does our personality weigh? .... How much does our memory weigh? ..... Does our soul have mass? ..... How much does spirit weigh? ..... Does it take up space? .... does The received Holy Spirit live in our soul or somewhere else? .... is our inherited sinful nature spiritual ? .... Will we remember our earthly lives after we are resurrected to eternal life?

In summary if our soul and personality do not remain in some form or the other , what would be the purpose of all this anyway.? To come back as someone else or something else is not really coming back at all. At least that is my take on it.

I have a mind that constantly looks for facts and information that is partly veiled yet there to ponder. For example the subject of NDE research strongly indicates that (our soul) can live outside our physical body at death. Yet (our soul) can still see and hear and feel in spite of the fact that our physical eyes , ears, nerves and brain are dead and no longer functioning.

Martin

EDIT:
Qtips post #1 describing how a blind person could "see" is very convincing evidence (in my opinion)

I agree with what you're saying... the body is really just a shell. When we die our souls go on and I believe the people we are now are a big part of what we will be when we go on. I just don't understand, if NDE are real (and I admit there is definitely compelling evidence), why... If you're a believer, what is the point in God bringing us to heaven only to send us back. To witness to others that life after death is indeed real? I can see this possibility, however I think most unbelievers would think you were a hack. I've heard of NDE that went the other way around, where they ended taking a visit to hell. I can understand how God might use this as a wakeup call to someone who wasn't a christian to accept Him as Lord and Savior. This I think would have the same outcome as the believer who saw heaven witnessing however... unbelievers might think of him as a hack too. I just don't really know what to think of it... I believe God could use NDE's as a means of reaching someone or revealing something to someone, but why use a near death to bring it about? John's experience that brought about the book of Revelation is proof that God can and will bring someone into heaven to experience things, but a near death wasn't how it came about. I can't off the top of my head think of another instance where God brought someone into heaven, and the fact that cases of NDE's are not in scripture is why I'm torn on the subject.

 

[Martin W.]

I just don't understand, if NDE are real (and I admit there is definitely compelling evidence), why... If you're a believer, what is the point in God bringing us to heaven only to send us back

I wonder about that too. I have considered that since sin entered us the body must die so God preserves the soul after death and plans to reunite it with a new body some day. Just speculation.

I've heard of NDE that went the other way around, where they ended taking a visit to hell.

So have I and sometimes it was a pretty traumatic experience. I have even heard it said that hell is worse than we can immagine. Scarry stuff.

and the fact that cases of NDE's are not in scripture is why I'm torn on the subject.

So am I quite frankly. Many who return from (pleasant) NDE's attach no importance to God or Christ and to me that does not sound right. I have even heard claims that NDE's , although real enough are a trick to mislead us. In spite of my belief in NDE evidence I hold it all at arms length because of the troubling aspects.