To Eat...or Not To Eat?

[whirlwind]

Deuteronomy 5:31-33 But as for thee, stand thou here by Me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it. Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left. Ye shall walk in all the ways which the LORD your God hath commanded you, that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess.

Leviticus chapter eleven deals with clean and unclean foods in which....​

Leviticus 11:1-2 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

Why? Was it because He wanted to restrict certain tasty foods to be mean? Was it to tempt us to see if we follow His words...or not? No....it is because the foods He listed made a distinction between the clean, healthy foods and the unclean or abominable foods.​

11:43-44 Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby. For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

11:46-47 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth: To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

I see these restrictions referring to both spiritually unclean or abominable creatures as well as physically unclean foods. For instance, swine are symbolic of false preachers. Their words, if taken in, make us unclean. Their flesh, if taken in, make us unclean too.....they cause illness of the spirit and the body.

Our Father commands these things "that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess." Were those instructions for our health nullified when our Savior was crucified?​

 

[fivesense]

Deuteronomy 5:31-33 But as for thee, stand thou here by Me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it. Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left. Ye shall walk in all the ways which the LORD your God hath commanded you, that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess.

Leviticus chapter eleven deals with clean and unclean foods in which....​

Leviticus 11:1-2 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

Why? Was it because He wanted to restrict certain tasty foods to be mean? Was it to tempt us to see if we follow His words...or not? No....it is because the foods He listed made a distinction between the clean, healthy foods and the unclean or abominable foods.​

11:43-44 Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby. For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

11:46-47 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth: To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

I see these restrictions referring to both spiritually unclean or abominable creatures as well as physically unclean foods. For instance, swine are symbolic of false preachers. Their words, if taken in, make us unclean. Their flesh, if taken in, make us unclean too.....they cause illness of the spirit and the body.

Our Father commands these things "that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess." Were those instructions for our health nullified when our Savior was crucified?​

Is this bait?
fivesense

 

[jiggyfly]

Deuteronomy 5:31-33 But as for thee, stand thou here by Me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it. Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left. Ye shall walk in all the ways which the LORD your God hath commanded you, that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess.

Leviticus chapter eleven deals with clean and unclean foods in which....​

Leviticus 11:1-2 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

Why? Was it because He wanted to restrict certain tasty foods to be mean? Was it to tempt us to see if we follow His words...or not? No....it is because the foods He listed made a distinction between the clean, healthy foods and the unclean or abominable foods.​

11:43-44 Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby. For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

11:46-47 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth: To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

I see these restrictions referring to both spiritually unclean or abominable creatures as well as physically unclean foods. For instance, swine are symbolic of false preachers. Their words, if taken in, make us unclean. Their flesh, if taken in, make us unclean too.....they cause illness of the spirit and the body.

Our Father commands these things "that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess." Were those instructions for our health nullified when our Savior was crucified?​

Are you Jewish?

 

[whirlwind]

Are you Jewish?

:) No...of Israel yes....but not of Judah.

The question isn't what faith or nationality one is but rather....are we in a flesh body? The unclean foods harm flesh bodies whether they are Africian, American, Jewish, Buddish, red or yellow black or white...whatever. The flesh bodies we have today are of the same makeup as those in the time of Moses.

 

[jiggyfly]

:) No...of Israel yes....but not of Judah.

The question isn't what faith or nationality one is but rather....are we in a flesh body? The unclean foods harm flesh bodies whether they are Africian, American, Jewish, Buddish, red or yellow black or white...whatever. The flesh bodies we have today are of the same makeup as those in the time of Moses.

Sorry I must have misunderstood you, I thought you were suggesting that God commanded us all to refrain from "unclean food".

 

[whirlwind]

Sorry I must have misunderstood you, I thought you were suggesting that God commanded us all to refrain from "unclean food".

You didn't misunderstand Jiggyfly. That is what I meant. He wants His children....all believers, to refrain from unclean foods. His reason..... "that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess."

 

[Brother Mike]

[size="4"[b]]Rom 14:22[/b] Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
[b]Rom 14:23[/b] And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. [/size]

[size="4"]1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.[/size]

If we followed What God said in the OT, then the Word would produce what the Word said it would produce.

Our Father commands these things "that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess." Were those instructions for our health nullified when our Savior was crucified?

Some would use the above NT scripture to prove we are not under the law, and all things can be chowed down on. Fresh scorpions and rattlesnake anyone?

One thing is very clear though, anything done out of faith is sin. If eating pig weighs on your mind because of What God said about it, then for you it's steak, and not Pork chops.

Jesus Is Lord.

 

[jerryjohnson]

God did not have the food laws or say not to eat certain things to be mean. God created all of those things and He said they were good. He did not say they were all good to eat. Most of the animals, birds, bugs, etc, listed as "unclean" are scavengers. God created them to help keep this earth clean. Most of the animals listed as "clean" eat grass or other vegetation; they do not eat other animals. Pigs eat many things, they also do not have sweet glands, so their bodies do not detoxify. Poisons are stored in their fat. You eat pork and it is like eating you vacuum cleaner bag. Even with gravy vacuum cleaner bags don't do you much good. Christ's death and resurrection did not give pigs sweet glands.

Now if you want to eat these things, enjoy. Eating pork is not a sin unto death, but eating pork might make you sick, just as eating other "unclean" things might make you sick.

Anyone have a good recipe for vacuum cleaner bag gravy? Maybe using mop-bucket water.

 

[JarBreaker]

Since it wasn't brought up yet, the vision of the 3 sheets was not referring to actual food or animals that may be used for food.

The centurion was on his way to invite Peter to his home. As an observant Jew, Peter would not have accepted this invitation. "Call not unclean what I have made clean ..." was referring to the centurion and all believers who by belief were "made clean".

 

[jiggyfly]

Acts 15:28&29
"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay no greater burden on you than these requirements:You must abstain from eating food offered to idols, from consuming blood or eating the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality. If you do this, you will do well. Farewell."

 

[JarBreaker]

Those four requirements were for new believers to not be overwhelmed and then they were to continue on and learn of His ways afterward.

 

[whirlwind]

Those four requirements were for new believers to not be overwhelmed and then they were to continue on and learn of His ways afterward.

You're quite right JarBreaker. It seems this topic stirs a great deal of controvery at times...much as the rapture business.

I wonder why those that consider it okay to eat items on the unclean list think God placed the restriction in the first place? If it was harmful to bodies way back then it's still harmful. Does it cause one to go to hell? No, I hope not because I've eaten my share before I woke up to the truth.

But, I see it as a personal choice for one' s wellbeing and wish I had paid attention a long time ago. I also believe His Word tells us to do this but lots of folks see it differently.

 

[jiggyfly]

Those four requirements were for new believers to not be overwhelmed and then they were to continue on and learn of His ways afterward.

Got some scripture to support it?

 

[Brother Mike]

Hey guys, can we stick the the important topic here.......... All you brothers want to do is talk about the Word of God, and correct one another. Meanwhile I have a serious issue.

I got my Vacuum Cleaner bag out, now whats the next step????? Do I use old mop water for Gravy, or should I make some new............


Jesus Is Lord

 

[JarBreaker]

Got some scripture to support it?

20
But that we write to unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and fornication, and things strangled, and blood

21
For Moses of old time has in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.



Just as earlier in chapt. 10, Peter alone would not have been willing to fellowship with the centurion, the rest of the assembly would not have been comfortable allowing the new converts into their midst. The 4 requirements ( v20 ) were a way for this to be amenable to the Jewish believers without being an excessive burden ( v28 ) on the former pagans before they were to come hear the Word ( v21 )