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I don't doubt that bit about the European nations respecting Xi Jingping now more than they do Trump. Don't doubt it one bit.
Not sure that’s the case , it’s true that Trump is not respected by many, but it’s not a total disrespect. I doubt anyone respects the Chinese leaders in anyway ! Rita
 
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yeah

Kamala should have just interrupted Pence as much as he interrupted her
She was shrill enough...
You could tell that she was trying to restrain herself but "I will not be lectured by the Vice President" and other things she said like that made her look half elitist and half witch.

Pence nailed her good with the statistics on her prosecutions. Then she said it should be a model. Ugghhh....that's exactly what they are whining about. The statistics she performed...Pence got a good laugh on that one.
 
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Not sure that’s the case , it’s true that Trump is not respected by many, but it’s not a total disrespect. I doubt anyone respects the Chinese leaders in anyway ! Rita
I think that you are confusing "like" vx respect.

I really don't like Trump as a person. He is so focused on his goals and accomplishments that he loses touch with people and people groups...who become either useful idiots or in the way of achieving his goals.

He is highly successful in accomplishing his goals. And as a president he has looked out for the American people very well on the world stage and domestically. He's done a lot of good in a short amount of time...more than any other politician in the same amount of time.

Unfortunately it doesn't look good in the polls at the moment for the election. But the only real poll that matters is coming up next month.

And Biden/Harris are leaning heavily towards the mail in ballots. (Huge mistake)
Over 20% during a normal election are tossed for irregularities. With a higher volume I expect even more are going to be tossed out for not completely following directions (such as signing) or having a signature that doesn't match.

Biden has 66 marginal votes that he can easily lose by mail in voting. And I can see the Democrats having a childish tantrum over the votes getting tossed out when they lose.

It won't be over until Christmas...
 
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I think that you are confusing "like" vx respect.

I really don't like Trump as a person. He is so focused on his goals and accomplishments that he loses touch with people and people groups...who become either useful idiots or in the way of achieving his goals.

He is highly successful in accomplishing his goals. And as a president he has looked out for the American people very well on the world stage and domestically. He's done a lot of good in a short amount of time...more than any other politician in the same amount of time.

Unfortunately it doesn't look good in the polls at the moment for the election. But the only real poll that matters is coming up next month.

And Biden/Harris are leaning heavily towards the mail in ballots. (Huge mistake)
Over 20% during a normal election are tossed for irregularities. With a higher volume I expect even more are going to be tossed out for not completely following directions (such as signing) or having a signature that doesn't match.

Biden has 66 marginal votes that he can easily lose by mail in voting. And I can see the Democrats having a childish tantrum over the votes getting tossed out when they lose.

It won't be over until Christmas...
No I was not confusing the words- I listened to the debate and I disagree with the conclusion reached with regards to ‘ who ‘ Europeans ‘ ( which kind of includes the UK still !!!!! ) respect more. Really sorry but the rest of your post is really nothing to do with the part that I was addressing. I was simply stating that it’s an assumption that has no basis. Even before this year Chinese leaders have not been high on the list of respected leaders over here. Why on earth would we respect any of them given the way they treat the people.
The USA is our ally, China isn’t !
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I think that you are confusing "like" vx respect.

I really don't like Trump as a person. He is so focused on his goals and accomplishments that he loses touch with people and people groups...who become either useful idiots or in the way of achieving his goals.

He is highly successful in accomplishing his goals. And as a president he has looked out for the American people very well on the world stage and domestically. He's done a lot of good in a short amount of time...more than any other politician in the same amount of time.

Unfortunately it doesn't look good in the polls at the moment for the election. But the only real poll that matters is coming up next month.

And Biden/Harris are leaning heavily towards the mail in ballots. (Huge mistake)
Over 20% during a normal election are tossed for irregularities. With a higher volume I expect even more are going to be tossed out for not completely following directions (such as signing) or having a signature that doesn't match.

Biden has 66 marginal votes that he can easily lose by mail in voting. And I can see the Democrats having a childish tantrum over the votes getting tossed out when they lose.

It won't be over until Christmas...
I think someone's been pulling your leg about ballots being tossed.

https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/eac_assets/1/6/2016_EAVS_Comprehensive_Report.pdf

Nationally, by-mail voting constituted 23.7 percent of all votes cast in the 2016 election. Approximately 80.1 percent of absentee ballots that were transmitted to voters were returned and processed, with 1.4 percent of transmitted ballots returned as undeliverable and 2 percent reported as spoiled (e.g., the voter returned the ballot and asked for a replacement).

Ninety-nine percent of absentee ballots categorized as “returned and submitted for counting” were ultimately counted in the 2016 election. Table 1 provides information about the reasons for rejecting a ballot as reported by the states and territories. The most common reasons for rejection in 2016 were missing the deadline, the signature on the ballot not matching the signature on the state’s records, and the ballot not having a signature. Some of the categories include several reasons for ballot rejection. For example, the category “problem with return envelope” covers reasons such as the envelope was returned but was missing the ballot or multiple ballots were returned in one envelope.
 

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No I was not confusing the words- I listened to the debate and I disagree with the conclusion reached with regards to ‘ who ‘ Europeans ‘ ( which kind of includes the UK still !!!!! ) respect more. Really sorry but the rest of your post is really nothing to do with the part that I was addressing. I was simply stating that it’s an assumption that has no basis. Even before this year Chinese leaders have not been high on the list of respected leaders over here. Why on earth would we respect any of them given the way they treat the people.
The USA is our ally, China isn’t !
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I dug up those stats. I don't think Xi is that high up on the list of respected leaders. It's just that Trump is lower.

Trump more distrusted than Putin, Xi: poll

Donald Trump is more distrusted worldwide than Russian President Vladimir Putin or China’s Xi Jinping, according to a new poll.

The survey of people in more than 30 countries by Pew Research Center showed the U.S. president had the most negative ratings out of five world leaders when participants were asked whether they trusted them to do the right thing in world affairs.

Sixty-four percent said they had no confidence in Trump, compared with 57 percent for Putin and 43 percent for Xi. Just 29 percent had confidence in Trump.

There were a few countries where people said they trusted Trump. :)

“Anti-Trump sentiments are especially common in Western Europe,” the report said, with at least three in four people from Germany, Sweden, France, Spain and the Netherlands expressing a lack of trust in him.

Trust in Trump was lowest in Mexico where just 8 percent of people said they had confidence in him.

In only six countries did a majority indicate trust that Trump would do the right thing: the Philippines (77 percent), Israel (71 percent), Kenya (65 percent), Nigeria (58 percent), India (56 percent) and Poland (51 percent).

While support for Trump is low worldwide, the report noted approval of the U.S. as a country is generally higher. Still, Pew noted favorable ratings for the United States have declined since Trump took office.
 
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I dug up those stats. I don't think Xi is that high up on the list of respected leaders. It's just that Trump is lower.

Trump more distrusted than Putin, Xi: poll

Donald Trump is more distrusted worldwide than Russian President Vladimir Putin or China’s Xi Jinping, according to a new poll.

The survey of people in more than 30 countries by Pew Research Center showed the U.S. president had the most negative ratings out of five world leaders when participants were asked whether they trusted them to do the right thing in world affairs.

Sixty-four percent said they had no confidence in Trump, compared with 57 percent for Putin and 43 percent for Xi. Just 29 percent had confidence in Trump.

There were a few countries where people said they trusted Trump. :)

“Anti-Trump sentiments are especially common in Western Europe,” the report said, with at least three in four people from Germany, Sweden, France, Spain and the Netherlands expressing a lack of trust in him.

Trust in Trump was lowest in Mexico where just 8 percent of people said they had confidence in him.

In only six countries did a majority indicate trust that Trump would do the right thing: the Philippines (77 percent), Israel (71 percent), Kenya (65 percent), Nigeria (58 percent), India (56 percent) and Poland (51 percent).

While support for Trump is low worldwide, the report noted approval of the U.S. as a country is generally higher. Still, Pew noted favorable ratings for the United States have declined since Trump took office.

Always interesting to see what other countries think, was also surprised to see only 51% of the Poles who participated in the polls trust Trump. (Yes, yes, pun intended there.)
 
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I dug up those stats. I don't think Xi is that high up on the list of respected leaders. It's just that Trump is lower.

Trump more distrusted than Putin, Xi: poll

Donald Trump is more distrusted worldwide than Russian President Vladimir Putin or China’s Xi Jinping, according to a new poll.

The survey of people in more than 30 countries by Pew Research Center showed the U.S. president had the most negative ratings out of five world leaders when participants were asked whether they trusted them to do the right thing in world affairs.

Sixty-four percent said they had no confidence in Trump, compared with 57 percent for Putin and 43 percent for Xi. Just 29 percent had confidence in Trump.

There were a few countries where people said they trusted Trump. :)

“Anti-Trump sentiments are especially common in Western Europe,” the report said, with at least three in four people from Germany, Sweden, France, Spain and the Netherlands expressing a lack of trust in him.

Trust in Trump was lowest in Mexico where just 8 percent of people said they had confidence in him.

In only six countries did a majority indicate trust that Trump would do the right thing: the Philippines (77 percent), Israel (71 percent), Kenya (65 percent), Nigeria (58 percent), India (56 percent) and Poland (51 percent).

While support for Trump is low worldwide, the report noted approval of the U.S. as a country is generally higher. Still, Pew noted favorable ratings for the United States have declined since Trump took office.
Never really been keen on polls as they really don’t prove a single thing, also it depends who is doing the poll and what questions they actually ask. Sky news are always doing polls, they ask such a small percentage of people and then they make statements that the ‘ whole of the country ‘ has certain opinions.
I am actually staggered that the Chinese leader was considered more trustworthy to do the right thing in world affairs !
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Always interesting to see what other countries think, was also surprised to see only 51% of the Poles who participated in the polls trust Trump. (Yes, yes, pun intended there.)
I was fascinated by how many in Kenya said they trusted Trump. What?

You people keep rousing my curiosity about things. I had to go research that too.

Remember how Trump entertained Duda four days before the Polish election? Talk about "foreign interference" in elections!

2020 Polish presidential election - Wikipedia

Results from the second round of voting, announced by the National Electoral Commission (PKW) on 13 July, indicated that Andrzej Duda had won with 51.03% to Rafał Trzaskowski's 48.97%.

It makes me think Duda's supporters like Trump because Duda says he likes him.

Why Trump shouldn’t be hosting Polish President Duda

The Polish president’s visit takes this strategy to a new level. Trump and Duda will meet only four days before Poland’s elections, in which Duda finds himself in an expectedly tight reelection race against liberal Warsaw Mayor Rafal Trzaskowski. Poland under Duda remains staunchly pro-American and pro-Trump, particularly as its relations with the European Union have faltered over its democratic decline. (The EU has launched several investigations against Duda’s government for violations of EU law, including a new Polish law that would allow judges critical of the regime to face punishment.) The timing of the meeting flouts the cardinal rule of diplomacy — noninterference in internal affairs — and is clearly intended to put a thumb on the electoral scales in Duda’s favor.

That Duda and Trump get along is no surprise. Duda is a conservative nationalist whose tenure as president has been characterized by democratic backsliding and the shrinking of civic space for the exercise of fundamental rights and freedoms. On the campaign trail, Duda has lashed out at “LGBT ideology,” which he has compared to “neo-bolshevism,” in a bid to attract conservative Catholic voters and members of the far right. In previous administrations, a White House visit would have been used as a carrot to reverse democratic decline and moderate hateful rhetoric; now these phenomena mirror our own lived experience.

Duda has also played Trump like a fiddle, appealing to his well-known appreciation for flattery. When Trump visited Warsaw in the summer of 2018, Duda delivered a large, adoring crowd for Trump’s public speech. Duda also offered $2 billion to construct a permanent base to house U.S. troops — which he suggested be called Fort Trump — and signed off on large weapons and gas purchases.
 
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Never really been keen on polls as they really don’t prove a single thing, also it depends who is doing the poll and what questions they actually ask. Sky news are always doing polls, they ask such a small percentage of people and then they make statements that the ‘ whole of the country ‘ has certain opinions.
I am actually staggered that the Chinese leader was considered more trustworthy to do the right thing in world affairs !
Rita
I can see why people would trust Xi more. He's more predictable and less apt to do self-destructive things. It's pretty hard to trust someone who's wildly unpredictable.
 

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I can see why people would trust Xi more. He's more predictable and less apt to do self-destructive things. It's pretty hard to trust someone who's wildly unpredictable.

That's what I was thinking too, it has to do with the predictability.
 

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I see that gossip-mongering has taken over this thread. I figured this would happen. Maybe I should start reporting all of the comments and links that are just hearsay.
 
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That's what I was thinking too, it has to do with the predictability.
Decades ago, I got drunk and a "friend" asked to borrow money. I agreed to lend it to him. When I sobered up, I realized I shouldn't do it since he probably wouldn't pay me back. I lent him the money anyway -- I didn't want to break my word or wreck people's trust in what I said. I also told myself it was a learning experience: I shouldn't have gotten that drunk and made such a foolish promise. Ha, I blamed myself. It's true I think he took advantage of my being drunk, but I stupidly allowed him to do it. It was only $100. I figured the lesson was worth it.
 

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That's what I was thinking too, it has to do with the predictability.

Yup, Xi is very predictable. He follows the evil Communist Party line--persecuting Christians, tearing down crosses from churches, closing down real churches, etc.

Edit: This is why the underground church in China is so strong. If you would like to learn more about what it 's like for Christians living in China, I recommend the book The Heavenly Man.
 
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I can see why people would trust Xi more. He's more predictable and less apt to do self-destructive things. It's pretty hard to trust someone who's wildly unpredictable.

Yup, Xi is very predictable. He follows the evil Communist Party line--persecuting Christians, tearing down crosses from churches, closing down real churches, etc.

Edit: This is why the underground church in China is so strong. If you would like to learn more about what it 's like for Christians living in China, I recommend the book The Heavenly Man.
Yes, I am with you on this one Prayer Warrior, hence why I thought people wouldn’t respect the Chinese leaders more than Trump. Really must finish reading that book !
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Yes, I am with you on this one Prayer Warrior, hence why I thought people wouldn’t respect the Chinese leaders more than Trump. Really must finish reading that book !
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Maybe if people knew the truth about Xi, they wouldn't respect him at all. But the Communists are experts at hiding things. It's their specialty.

Do you think if reporters in China said things about Xi that reporters say about Trump, they would still be alive? Chinese reporters have gone missing for simply reporting the truth about the brutality of the Communist regime. The MSM in American is constantly reporting vicious rumors about Trump and other conservative leaders. Sometimes, after hearing the slimy things they say, I feel like I need a shower. It's disgusting and shameful!!!
 
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Can I ask a question. On the debate it talked about packing the senate if Amy Coney is voted in. What does that mean ?
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Can I ask a question. On the debate it talked about packing the senate if Amy Coney is voted in. What does that mean ?
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It sounds like you have this confused. You mean packing the Court? This means that the Democrats would increase the number of Supreme Court justices from nine to eleven or more and then appoint liberal judges to fill those slots.