No, I'm trying to bring God glory, you are the one at risk of disgracing God with your triune and god-man theories.No, it is straight from the Holy Spirit and the word.
I hope that you haven't crossed the line into BotHS.
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No, I'm trying to bring God glory, you are the one at risk of disgracing God with your triune and god-man theories.No, it is straight from the Holy Spirit and the word.
I hope that you haven't crossed the line into BotHS.
We will have to agree to disagree; and also hope that you haven't crossed the line into becoming unsaveable.No, I'm trying to bring God glory, you are the one at risk of disgracing God with your triune and god-man theories.
I said, what I said, and I meant every single word of it.We will have to agree to disagree; and also hope that you haven't crossed the line into becoming unsaveable.
It is from the Holy Spirit. I am afraid for you that you have committed the unpardonable sin; by attributing what is of the Holy Spirit to the devil.I said, what I said, and I meant every single word of it.
The doctrine of the trinity is from the devil.
The point here is simple. You have your view and people can agree or disagree.Did you just digress again?
You have warm and inviting words here. I do agree with them with one clear exception that has skewed a lot of folks' beliefs, when you said..."When Moses asks God for His name, the Lord says "I am".
This statement is totally incorrect as I discussed with Ron earlier in a couple of posts, and you replied to the earlier one. YHWH said much more, with a personal name that no one can every possess; not even his Son and our Saviour. Christ and any human can say it is me, or I am (he) with emphasis...and this is not exactly a personal name either...
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Well not to stop your calling although you might want to know (again) that the English expression 'I am' or 'I AM' never existed or exists for YHWH who lives in eternity; and is not found in either the OT or NT for our Father who is one, only one, and no one is or every was or will be beside (equal to) him, indeed.
I will leave you will this short piece to maybe ponder over in the future if you wish...
The Greek translated form for the Hebrew transliterated expression אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה, to ’ehyeh ’ăšer ’ehyeh in Exodus 3:14 is ‘ego eimi ho ōn’ that means in English, these types of similar meaning expressions: ‘I am who I am,’ ‘I am that I am,’ ‘I am the being’ or ‘I am the existing one’ or ‘I am existing,’ and other words for this effect – never just ‘I am (he)' as was used by/ for other people in the NT including Yahshua.
Bless you,
APAK
I see you are not reading and understanding my words at all. How unfortunate. There is NO translated 'I AM' from Hebrew to English in the Exodus verse you are referencing here...cannot make it any simpler.This is an interesting analysis but it misses the point. The phrase "I am" is an object statement of the subject of the sentence. What follows is the description of the subject.
When the Lord said say "I am has sent me to you"
"I am" is the source of the sending, so is the descriptive name the Lord is giving to Himself.
God bless you
Yes, the hebrew word eh-yeh - appears to mean "I am" as you said, BUT that is not what is transliterated. It is ehyeh ’ăšer ’ehyeh.....BIG difference..You interpretation of this event is about a hidden name.
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'" Exodus 3:14
the hebrew word eh-yeh - appears to mean "I am"
It is always possible this sentence is a missquote, but it appears quite straight forward.
I would like you to explain how one can go from this simple proposition to your apparent alternative interpretation. Throughout church history the view has been consistent, so to propose another is to go against not just scripture but church history.
God bless you
One of us is profoundly wrong, maybe both, ...but you will have the incriminating time on Judgement Day, trying to explain how God revealed to you that He was a trinity, ...let me see how you address Him on that day, will you call Him Father, or Jesus, or Holy Spirit?It is from the Holy Spirit. I am afraid for you that you have committed the unpardonable sin; by attributing what is of the Holy Spirit to the devil.
I think you're living on borrowed time.
Consider the ramifications of your position versus mine, on Judgement Day? Who will have all the explaining to do? Do you expect to see three divine persons on the tribunal? Will you recognize who is who when, according to trinitarian theology, there is absolutely nothing that distinguishes one from the other, besides their names - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?The point here is simple. You have your view and people can agree or disagree.
Are we allowed to disagree, or if anyone disagrees they are evil?
I wish we were these logical searchers after truth rather than emotional creatures trying to find a safe place to make sense of this world so we can cope. We deceive ourselves with the idea we can be objective, rather than every position we take is emotionally charged and founded.
It is why I will always exalt Jesus and His walk, because that is so important in my life.
And the reason why others will denigrate Jesus, because other loyalties and focus capture them.
A lot of the discussions are not about the words, but about our bias and how far we can go.
And as far as I can see spiritual reality, denying Jesus as God denies the Kingdom.
So little wonder I am the enemy etc. Will anyone shift from these positions? I have only seen very few, even when faced with the final curtain.
God bless you
Notice, it is never used to convey a person or a name or title of a person, ever.
IMO and there are many scholars that agree with me and even some noted Trinitarians, the 'word' in John 1:1 specifically does not and cannot possibly represent or be substituted for Jesus, Jesus Christ. or even Christ.
We cannot get confused and make YHWH's personal (W)word, his own personal attribute, as meaning the same, or is interchangeable with, the Son,
One of us is profoundly wrong, maybe both, ...but you will have the incriminating time on Judgement Day, trying to explain how God revealed to you that He was a trinity, ...let me see how you address Him on that day, will you call Him Father, or Jesus, or Holy Spirit?
I won't need to explain to Him then, as I've explained it to everyone now...in posts #1-#6 of the following thread:One of us is profoundly wrong, maybe both, ...but you will have the incriminating time on Judgement Day, trying to explain how God revealed to you that He was a trinity, ...let me see how you address Him on that day, will you call Him Father, or Jesus, or Holy Spirit?