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Man if i was from NZ i would be chillin there... I know Ardern is a Nazi but there is so many beautiful places to hide out... Id love to go back to Queenstown and Wanaka... Go snowboarding... Engage with the awesome alpine parrot, the Kea... Away from the madness, far from the noise and the darkness of the city... Maybe hit the North island in the summer, go for a swim...Lovely
 

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Yet and still... The question that i have then is what are these vaccines being made to stop?
$1 million question mate....to stop nothing...to later add nanotechnology into you for ID and body chemistry manipulation..after the second shot or dose...
 

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Man if i was from NZ i would be chillin there... I know Ardern is a Nazi but there is so many beautiful places to hide out... Id love to go back to Queenstown and Wanaka... Go snowboarding... Engage with the awesome alpine parrot, the Kea... Away from the madness, far from the noise and the darkness of the city... Maybe hit the North island in the summer, go for a swim...Lovely
Yeh, I still know of places in NZ where I used to tramp where no one can find you.....around Shannon, Mangore, Mangahao Power Station up in the hills....my stomping grounds as a kid...I expect it is still pretty well undisturbed...away from today's madness..
Of course there are many places in the US that are pretty remote as well....
I got a fishing kayak recently just to get away from all this nonsense...only about 8 km from the house is a decent natural area of untouched land for tramping, fishing and even hunting pig and deer in season..it is one of several Florida State Parks within minutes (furthest one is about 1 hour drive) drive from me...
 

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$1 million question mate....to stop nothing...to later add nanotechnology into you for ID and body chemistry manipulation..after the second shot or dose...

AstraZeneca are using a common cold from a chimp... How illogical does that sound... I thought it was covid not the commo0n cold and last i checked we aren't chimps... Uhh ah ah ah ah... I think
 
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Yeh, I still know of places in NZ where I used to tramp where no one can find you.....around Shannon, Mangore, Mangahao Power Station up in the hills....my stomping grounds as a kid...I expect it is still pretty well undisturbed...away from today's madness..
Of course there are many places in the US that are pretty remote as well....
I got a fishing kayak recently just to get away from all this nonsense...only about 8 km from the house is a decent natural area of untouched land for tramping, fishing and even hunting pig and deer in season..it is one of several Florida State Parks within minutes (furthest one is about 1 hour drive) drive from me...

Ye the world is so vast that there are hiding places everywhere... U live in Florida, looks like a nice place... That road that goes out to Key West looks like an awesome place to go boating...

Fishing kayaks are becoming popular... My mate has one that has a pedal propulsion system. Jetskis are fun, not too bad to use for fishing as well. They can be overpriced but in my opinion...

What do u do anyway? U have a family? Wife? Kids?
 

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Ye the world is so vast that there are hiding places everywhere... U live in Florida, looks like a nice place... That road that goes out to Key West looks like an awesome place to go boating...

Fishing kayaks are becoming popular... My mate has one that has a pedal propulsion system. Jetskis are fun, not too bad to use for fishing as well. They can be overpriced but in my opinion...

What do u do anyway? U have a family? Wife? Kids?
Well how deep and far do you want me to go? Here's a quick run-down CR....

Married to the same American girl..she was from Ohio....retired from 'work.' Travelled or lived in 48 of the 50 States...Two boys,,one is a manager of a major grocery chain store. The other is a Lt Col in the USAF...intel officer. They haven't given us the time of day for years now..it's the generation I reckon....I cannot see what we did to cause any of it, beside being loving and disciplinarian parents....I was born in Leicester, England on a refugee/ dislocation/resettlement Post WWII camp....they had them going into the early 60's. Moved to NZ as wee lad...moved to the US after High School..nearly went to Cambodia after I enlisted in the USAF..changed my assignment at the last moment to Montana....fast forward,,,became a astronautical and an aerospace engineer for the USAF...200 of us then....became a Computer science geek along the way..,,can program in about 10 languages....nearly completed 3 1/2 degrees..was a Minuteman Launch Control Officer....underground capsule ops work.....all the while played rugby, football/soccer, coached sports at the kids level...fished and made many hunting seasons...Overall spent 26 years in the service....worked as a defense contractor with many companies..Lockheed, SAIC, Boeing, Harris..even Qinetiq...of N America....the original one was in England....and they used to be the real engineers working for M16 and the British Secret Service....James Bond stuff...kept na above TS clearance for about 25 years....part of the then 4 eyes and now called the 5 eyes intel organzation...was going back to NZ to work for the NZ branch of the eyes...wife had cold feet at the 11th hour ..she was certain I was going to land there and take off the wheels for good....

Gave my heart to Christ in 1974.....had my ups and downs although still on course...battering the winds and movement of this rotten world....

I guess that's a bit..and I don't have a pedal system on my kayak..not paying loads of money for it, when my arms still can do the work....

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I guess that's a bit..and I don't have a pedal system on my kayak..not paying loads of money for it, when my arms still can do the work....

Ye but your arms would be busy using the fishing rod, true... With the pedals u can maneuver your craft while fighting the fish...
Handy when fishing around structures...

Married to the same American girl..she was from Ohio....retired from 'work.' Travelled or lived in 48 of the 50 States...Two boys,,one is a manager of a major grocery chain store. The other is a Lt Col in the USAF...intel officer. They haven't given us the time of day for years now..it's the generation I reckon....I cannot see what we did to cause any of it, beside being loving and disciplinarian parents....I was born in Leicester, England on a refugee/ dislocation/resettlement Post WWII camp....they had them going into the early 60's. Moved to NZ as wee lad...moved to the US after High School..nearly went to Cambodia after I enlisted in the USAF..changed my assignment at the last moment to Montana....fast forward,,,became a astronautical and an aerospace engineer for the USAF...200 of us then....became a Computer science geek along the way..,,can program in about 10 languages....nearly completed 3 1/2 degrees..was a Minuteman Launch Control Officer....underground capsule ops work.....all the while played rugby, football/soccer, coached sports at the kids level...fished and made many hunting seasons...Overall spent 26 years in the service....worked as a defense contractor with many companies..Lockheed, SAIC, Boeing, Harris..even Qinetiq...of N America....the original one was in England....and they used to be the real engineers working for M16 and the British Secret Service....James Bond stuff...kept na above TS clearance for about 25 years....part of the then 4 eyes and now called the 5 eyes intel organzation...was going back to NZ to work for the NZ branch of the eyes...wife had cold feet at the 11th hour ..she was certain I was going to land there and take off the wheels for good....

Ok so your older which is good to know... I tend to tune in more to someone who is older, one out of respect but even more so with the hope of learning something from someone with experience...
You guys always seem to have such amazing life stories compared to the people of my generation...

A bit sad to hear about your sons... I thought maybe their really busy with their lives but its still no excuse to not stay in contact...

Im in engineering as well and have worked in defence, though my resume is embarrassing compared to yours... LoL...
I started off with an apprenticeship in metalwork and went from there... Never completed a degree, only a diploma in mechanical engineering...
I've done work for Boeing in our F35 program, BAE and Tennix for navy applications for Australian defence force (ADF)
Now our defence industry is all but gone, even b4 covid. I miss working at that high level of standard... I miss working...

Your specifically in aerospace which is cool... I've learnt a lot about aircraft from hanging out with a mate who is an aircraft maintenance technician... He used to acquire used auxiliary turbine engines (APU) to play with and boy did we have some fun in his garage... We're all wearing proper PPE and adhering to safety as much as possible... Lighting up the turbine was always such a thrill... The way it would slowly wind up was insane. I kept thinking it was nearing max but it just keeps winding up faster and faster, louder and louder, the pitch higher and higher, only to see that it still had heaps more... i thought the engine was about to blow the first time i experienced it... LoL

A Minuteman Launch Control Officer... Man... U guys were close to pushing the button a few times, right... Do they still run the minuteman system. From memory i think it got replaced didn't it? Isn't it ironic that nukes have actually created a time of peace through fear of antihalation... The USA and the USSR would of gone to war directly probably if it wasn't for the nuclear deterrent.

You are the perfect person to ask this... Were the moon landings real?
 
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Ye but your arms would be busy using the fishing rod, true... With the pedals u can maneuver your craft while fighting the fish...
Handy when fishing around structures...



Ok so your older which is good to know... I tend to tune in more to someone who is older, one out of respect but even more so with the hope of learning something from someone with experience...
You guys always seem to have such amazing life stories compared to the people of my generation...

A bit sad to hear about your sons... I thought maybe their really busy with their lives but its still no excuse to not stay in contact...

Im in engineering as well and have worked in defence, though my resume is embarrassing compared to yours... LoL...
I started off with an apprenticeship in metalwork and went from there... Never completed a degree, only a diploma in mechanical engineering...
I've done work for Boeing in our F35 program, BAE and Tennix for navy applications for Australian defence force (ADF)
Now our defence industry is all but gone, even b4 covid. I miss working at that high level of standard... I miss working...

Your specifically in aerospace which is cool... I've learnt a lot about aircraft from hanging out with a mate who is an aircraft maintenance technician... He used to acquire used auxiliary turbine engines (APU) to play with and boy did we have some fun in his garage... We're all wearing proper PPE and adhering to safety as much as possible... Lighting up the turbine was always such a thrill... The way it would slowly wind up was insane. I kept thinking it was nearing max but it just keeps winding up faster and faster, louder and louder, the pitch higher and higher, only to see that it still had heaps more... i thought the engine was about to blow the first time i experienced it... LoL

A Minuteman Launch Control Officer... Man... U guys were close to pushing the button a few times, right... Do they still run the minuteman system. From memory i think it got replaced didn't it? Isn't it ironic that nukes have actually created a time of peace through fear of antihalation... The USA and the USSR would of gone to war directly probably if it wasn't for the nuclear deterrent.

You are the perfect person to ask this... Were the moon landings real?
Let me answer your last request this way....

The original footage of Apollo 11 went 'missing'.... never to be found again

The Russians and the Chinese have never managed to land a human being on the moon.....and they won't for a very long time....

Dec 1968 and then May 1969, the US/NASA made lunar orbits and flybys....then suddenly less than two months later, NASA claims a human lands in the Sea of Tranquility. 29 days later....what a $%$#@ logistics/safety/relaunch planning super monumental feat...where did they have the command module and the lunar module/ descent craft hidden?...on a Hollywood/Stanley Kubrick(who got assassinated years later for wanting to say something important) 2001 Space Odyssey stage?

Navigational systems about 50 years ago were better suited for cartoons like the Thunderbirds.....or LOST IN SPACE...danger, danger Wil Robinson...

Long range transmission systems were about the same for video, data and voice....very limited and antiquated

Did you know how flimsy the descent landing (LM) Eagle and the others were made of? Ask Grumman Aerospace Corp who was the main DoD contractor for the Eagle.....pretty, pretty thin....

Listen to Buzz himself tell a child and therefore you if he went to the moon or not....

http://www.jewworldorder.org/wp-con...tle-girl-that-the-so-called-NASA-moon.mp4?_=3

The ICBM subject...before I was on duty as one of the Missileers as we were called as these unique officers...and still enlisted at that time fixing comms in these egg-shaped acoustic enclosures behind a 10-ton blast door, new on the job then,,,,Yom Kippur war..Oct 1973 happened...

The officers in the Launch Control Center as it was called then, and I would also be one of them, 16 years in the future, made me stand back near the blast door...they had their checklists out and their grease pencils in hand and alarms going off..etc..and were sequencing to take aim at some targets north of the Middle East....they of course stood down after receiving specific encrypted orders from authorities...

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Let me answer your last request this way....

The original footage of Apollo 11 went 'missing'.... never to be found again

The Russians and the Chinese have never managed to land a human being on the moon.....and they won't for a very long time....

Dec 1968 and then May 1969, the US/NASA made lunar orbits and flybys....then suddenly less than two months later, NASA claims a human lands in the Sea of Tranquility. 29 days later....what a $%$#@ logistics/safety/relaunch planning super monumental feat...where did they have the command module and the lunar module/ descent craft hidden?...on a Hollywood/Stanley Kubrick(who got assassinated years later for wanting to say something important) 2001 Space Odyssey stage?

Navigational systems about 50 years ago were better suited for cartoons like the Thunderbirds.....or LOST IN SPACE...danger, danger Wil Robinson...

Long range transmission systems were about the same for video, data and voice....very limited and antiquated

Did you know how flimsy the descent landing (LM) Eagle and the others were made of? Ask Grumman Aerospace Corp who was the main DoD contractor for the Eagle.....pretty, pretty thin....

Listen to Buzz himself tell a child and therefore you if he went to the moon or not....

http://www.jewworldorder.org/wp-con...tle-girl-that-the-so-called-NASA-moon.mp4?_=3

The ICBM subject...before I was on duty as one of the Missileers as we were called as these unique officers...and still enlisted at that time fixing comms in these egg-shaped acoustic enclosures behind a 10-ton blast door, new on the job then,,,,Yom Kippur war..Oct 1973 happened...

The officers in the Launch Control Center as it was called then, and I would also be one of them, 16 years in the future, made me stand back near the blast door...they had their checklists out and their grease pencils in hand and alarms going off..etc..and were sequencing to take aim at some targets north of the Middle East....they of course stood down after receiving specific encrypted orders from authorities...

fun stuff......

Most people who were alive at the time refuse to accept the possibility of a hoax, Americans even more so...
So i am surprised a little by your opinion... Ive watched heaps of stuff on it. Some in support and some against...
I was almost convinced that it had all been a hoax... Just so much evidence...

The best evidence that perhaps they did go are the Soviets... They were building their equivalent to the Saturn 5 in their moon rocket program.
So this means that their engineers and scientists also thought that it was possible to go to the moon otherwise they wouldn't have even begun such an impossible task... And then afterwards they never claimed that it was a hoax themselves... They appear to just have accepted it... I would of expected the Soviets to call it out...

I've had a really long hard look at it, ive watched stuff for and against and tried to be fair... Ive listened to NASAs responses to a lot of the evidence used and i wasn't at all convinced by them... There is countless pieces of evidence and logic that support the claim that they didn't go...

Aldrin has always dropped hints hasn't he... Armstrong became a hermit and rarley agreed to speak about it as if he had a dark secret which was killing him

The only thing that keeps me from being convinced are the Soviets... They appear to have also believed it was possible and they've always accepted it without any accusations or controversy... Could they possibly have not noticed it was faked... I doubt it cos their switched on the Soviets

So without an answer for the Soviets im forced to sit on the fenced and say inconclusive... On the balance of probabilities they never went but is it beyond reasonable doubt... Not for me... Maybe you can offer greater insight and a probable explanation to the behaviour of the Soviets
 
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Most people who were alive at the time refuse to accept the possibility of a hoax, Americans even more so...
So i am surprised a little by your opinion... Ive watched heaps of stuff on it. Some in support and some against...
I was almost convinced that it had all been a hoax... Just so much evidence...

The best evidence that perhaps they did go are the Soviets... They were building their equivalent to the Saturn 5 in their moon rocket program.
So this means that their engineers and scientists also thought that it was possible to go to the moon otherwise they wouldn't have even begun such an impossible task... And then afterwards they never claimed that it was a hoax themselves... They appear to just have accepted it... I would of expected the Soviets to call it out...

I've had a really long hard look at it, ive watched stuff for and against and tried to be fair... Ive listened to NASAs responses to a lot of the evidence used and i wasn't at all convinced by them... There is countless pieces of evidence and logic that support the claim that they didn't go...

Aldrin has always dropped hints hasn't he... Armstrong became a hermit and rarley agreed to speak about it as if he had a dark secret which was killing him

The only thing that keeps me from being convinced are the Soviets... They appear to have also believed it was possible and they've always accepted it without any accusations or controversy... Could they possibly have not noticed it was faked... I doubt it cos their switched on the Soviets

So without an answer for the Soviets im forced to sit on the fenced and say inconclusive... On the balance of probabilities they never went but is it beyond reasonable doubt... Not for me... Maybe you can offer greater insight and a probable explanation to the behaviour of the Soviets
Short answer...the Soviets knew every step we made in the Space program.....elements of the intelligence net were in lockstep, as always....they kept it a secret for other things that the US had on them.....life is really a game of I'll tell if you do...or I won't tell if you don't about this or that......childish of course, although can have consequences and can be deadly with casualties......the nuke arms race was the same thing......real nukes of course...in the main...although we know each others details......there's another shadow world/link government elements out there that we never know exists.....they run everything with the Zionist their Bankers and other folks.....

I once held, and had in my possession, a very high and critical classified document with all the then current nuke targets around the globe, for all parts of the nuke triad...lats and longs...for the US labelled bombers, missiles and subs.....you bet someone in the US/Zionist camp had the Russian version as well..they own both sides for God's sake....

So when you read and hear, especially during these election times on TV, about Russian interference with this and that.the elections etc...it is used to keep the masses in line and occupied and in fear..etc...the US does the very same things and maybe even more...your OZ and the NZ govt know of this under the level of the 5-eyes agreements at least....they do not know all of it though..they are not in the very inner circle....there are agents though representing each country on these types of matters....game of thrones....games of world control.....that is happening now because of the right available technology and the social youth, newer generation, programming successes and changes etc...
 

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Short answer...the Soviets knew every step we made in the Space program.....elements of the intelligence net were in lockstep, as always....they kept it a secret for other things that the US had on them.....life is really a game of I'll tell if you do...or I won't tell if you don't about this or that......childish of course, although can have consequences and can be deadly with casualties......the nuke arms race was the same thing......real nukes of course...in the main...although we know each others details......

Most people who think its fake tend to say that USA did it to fool the USSR... But your saying their all fooling us... Hmm... How dare they...
But for what purpose... People believing if they went to the moon or not seems irrelevant...

And then you've got this...

saturnv-vs-n-1.png

LoL... U know what i mean... There hasn't been any rockets this big, has there?
The cost of these programs must of been phenomenal, bigger than any military complex... All for what??? To fool us??? Why???

I love machines, especially planes, choppers, rockets... I just came across this, turned up the volume and just enjoyed it...
Awesome... The amount of energy, man, gives me goosebumps... Then to thionk that it was all for nothing is hard for many people to swallow. The American patriot won't accept it, generally people who were alive to see it won't accept it, most people in engineering don't accept it... Because that Saturn5 was real, u know. Heaps of money. Heaps of power... It only went into orbit and stayed there before returning...

My mate who is in aircraft maintenance is a typical aerospace junkie... LoL... The walls of his house are filled with cold war era planes and rockets and propaganda posters and random technical aerospace stuff... LoL... Good bloke, smartest guy i know, in terms of technical intelligence.
He was close to his grand dad who was Russian so he loves the tech from both sides which is kind of weird... It took him a long time to even entertain the claim that they never went to the moon... He idolized the Saturn 5 more than any other machine. Now his more convinced than i am... LoL...

there's another shadow world/link government elements out there that we never know exists.....they run everything with the Zionist their Bankers and other folks....

The faceless men that run the world, the elite... These guys are bigger than Gates and Soros... These guys are nameless and their family has owned the world for how long now? A few hundred years... Start of the industrial revolution maybe...

I once held, and had in my possession, a very high and critical classified document with all the then current nuke targets around the globe, for all parts of the nuke triad...lats and longs...for the US labelled bombers, missiles and subs

Crazy... U seen terminator 3? In the end how a computer virus infects the launch system and launches them all?? Scary stuff cos its possible...

I know this... It takes 30 minutes for an ICBM to reach a target around the world... Shortly after you push the button the enemy has located your rocket on their systems and calculates that its coming for them... They now have plenty of time to push the button before the strike... So now your position is hot... Defence systems are virtually useless against multiple warheads... This has caused a kind of stalemate which they called MAD, mutual assured destruction... They all know if you launch a strike then your blowing them up and yourselves...

Is that about right? I heard that both the USA and USSR had a last ditch automated system that in the case that they lost the war the automated system would deploy the rest of the nukes into the target. Its activated when a handful of important things are lost... Any truth to that or is it just spin?

your OZ and the NZ govt know of this under the level of the 5-eyes agreements at least....they do not know all of it though..they are not in the very inner circle

Ye i know this idiot Dan is not in their inner circle, his just a puppet, one of their minions...

But now you've got me thinking about aerospace stuff...
So where is mankind now??? Just earths orbit, right?
Getting out of earths atmosphere is the hardest part in terms of power and energy.
Then what is stopping us??? The radiation from that belt, i forget the guys name? Man can't pass into it right?
But machines can. We've sent probes out there far, right? Or are they fake as well?
Ive got so many questions but i better let u go... For now... LoL...
 

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Most people who think its fake tend to say that USA did it to fool the USSR... But your saying their all fooling us... Hmm... How dare they...
But for what purpose... People believing if they went to the moon or not seems irrelevant...

And then you've got this...

saturnv-vs-n-1.png

LoL... U know what i mean... There hasn't been any rockets this big, has there?
The cost of these programs must of been phenomenal, bigger than any military complex... All for what??? To fool us??? Why???

I love machines, especially planes, choppers, rockets... I just came across this, turned up the volume and just enjoyed it...
Awesome... The amount of energy, man, gives me goosebumps... Then to thionk that it was all for nothing is hard for many people to swallow. The American patriot won't accept it, generally people who were alive to see it won't accept it, most people in engineering don't accept it... Because that Saturn5 was real, u know. Heaps of money. Heaps of power... It only went into orbit and stayed there before returning...

My mate who is in aircraft maintenance is a typical aerospace junkie... LoL... The walls of his house are filled with cold war era planes and rockets and propaganda posters and random technical aerospace stuff... LoL... Good bloke, smartest guy i know, in terms of technical intelligence.
He was close to his grand dad who was Russian so he loves the tech from both sides which is kind of weird... It took him a long time to even entertain the claim that they never went to the moon... He idolized the Saturn 5 more than any other machine. Now his more convinced than i am... LoL...



The faceless men that run the world, the elite... These guys are bigger than Gates and Soros... These guys are nameless and their family has owned the world for how long now? A few hundred years... Start of the industrial revolution maybe...



Crazy... U seen terminator 3? In the end how a computer virus infects the launch system and launches them all?? Scary stuff cos its possible...

I know this... It takes 30 minutes for an ICBM to reach a target around the world... Shortly after you push the button the enemy has located your rocket on their systems and calculates that its coming for them... They now have plenty of time to push the button before the strike... So now your position is hot... Defence systems are virtually useless against multiple warheads... This has caused a kind of stalemate which they called MAD, mutual assured destruction... They all know if you launch a strike then your blowing them up and yourselves...

Is that about right? I heard that both the USA and USSR had a last ditch automated system that in the case that they lost the war the automated system would deploy the rest of the nukes into the target. Its activated when a handful of important things are lost... Any truth to that or is it just spin?



Ye i know this idiot Dan is not in their inner circle, his just a puppet, one of their minions...

But now you've got me thinking about aerospace stuff...
So where is mankind now??? Just earths orbit, right?
Getting out of earths atmosphere is the hardest part in terms of power and energy.
Then what is stopping us??? The radiation from that belt, i forget the guys name? Man can't pass into it right?
But machines can. We've sent probes out there far, right? Or are they fake as well?
Ive got so many questions but i better let u go... For now... LoL...
This entire subject is like finding paradise over an horizon of the bad lands and its hard to swallow and one does not want to believe it at all....especially when you are now beyond your twenties say.....harder to believe as you get older////

Now here's a clip ...really long that touches some of this unbelievable stuff....WARNING...the first 2 minutes has foul and swearing language in it.....the rest is ok....shows scenes of the first, second, third takes of the Apollo 11 mission.....no one takes the time to orchestrate fakes shots..they are real shots on a studio set....then later you will find why and what were the original NASA missions and purpose....and why the Russians and Chinese want to keep up and have a piece of the action from the little green men...demonic entities...


I do not vouch for the entirety of this video....only major segments....like the personalities at least...and their motives
 

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This entire subject is like finding paradise over an horizon of the bad lands and its hard to swallow and one does not want to believe it at all....especially when you are now beyond your twenties say.....harder to believe as you get older////

Now here's a clip ...really long that touches some of this unbelievable stuff....WARNING...the first 2 minutes has foul and swearing language in it.....the rest is ok....shows scenes of the first, second, third takes of the Apollo 11 mission.....no one takes the time to orchestrate fakes shots..they are real shots on a studio set....then later you will find why and what were the original NASA missions and purpose....and why the Russians and Chinese want to keep up and have a piece of the action from the little green men...demonic entities...


I do not vouch for the entirety of this video....only major segments....like the personalities at least...and their motives

Okay well its over 2 hours long... I'll watch later this week... Little green men... Ive always held a degree of skepicism about them but i don't rule it out... Mate... U know too much i reckon, serious... LoL...
Be careful... Maybe we should continue this chat in PM... LoL
 

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Hair loss
Brain damage
Taste and smell non-existent
Kidney damage
Heart damage
Lung damage

Yeah...the list is getting pretty long.
I just heard they nixed the trials of one major contender for this vaccine, outright...this must have been one of them....
I guess this article you have is about those that experienced a novel virus.....there is also some trials that produces similar results..
 
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Okay well its over 2 hours long... I'll watch later this week... Little green men... Ive always held a degree of skepicism about them but i don't rule it out... Mate... U know too much i reckon, serious... LoL...
Be careful... Maybe we should continue this chat in PM... LoL
Pls find the time to view the link video though, even in sections.....at your convenience...it can be EYE opening.

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October 22, 2020

A Brazilian participant in the clinical trial of the COVID-19 vaccine candidate developed by AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford has died, Reuters reports. The trial will continue. “Oxford confirmed the plan to keep testing, saying in a statement that after careful assessment ‘there have been no concerns about safety of the clinical trial,’” according to the story, which also states that there are indications that the participant was in the control group and had not received the COVID-19 vaccine. The US trial of the vaccine is reported to be close to resuming after a review of a serious adverse event.

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I just heard they nixed the trials of one major contender for this vaccine, outright...this must have been one of them....
I guess this article you have is about those that experienced a novel virus.....there is also some trials that produces similar results..

The virus trials are stopped and started by an independent third party who gets paid to be tough but fair.

And if what you are saying is true (I haven't heard about it yet) then there's still a bunch more.

But usually they are stopped and started numerous times before final approval.
They first have to figure out if the sick person actually got the vaccine or a placebo...

And that can take a bit. That veil is not as easy to pierce as you would think.

So far there have been about three major stops and starts...and so far it's placebo that has caused the effects.
I just heard about a guy dying...they just started looking into why but of course the trial was stopped while they looked.

But by this time the third party monitoring is going smoother.

With research the paperwork is exceptionally heavy and must be perfect. My wife is a guru at HIPPA laws and de-idendtifyng samples and electronic signatures and all kinds of stuff you really don't want to snoozefest over.
We just want to know if it works and what our chances are.

Well...
I can tell you that if you look too closely at how the sausage is made you might not want to eat it...but you loved the stuff yesterday and couldn't hardly get enough.
 
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