Why It’s Logical, Christian, and Charitable to Suspect the Election Was Stolen

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junobet

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Junobet, I would like to thank you for speaking up because we're few in number. On a personal note, I'm a registered Independent and I've voted Republican in every presidential election for almost 30 years until 2016. The 2016 election was the first time I didn't vote Republican. I voted 3rd Party instead because I didn't want to vote Democratic and I refused to vote for Trump. I did vote Democratic for the first time in this election.

Rest assured while there may be few of you on this board many if not most people in the world breathed a sigh of relief when you elected Biden for President.

While I myself have often disagreed with the Republican Party on many issues (or with many European conservatives for that matter), I have the utmost respect for Republicans like you, who stood true to their Christian conscience and conservative values, even if that meant to vote for Biden rather than allowing Trump four more years. You may just have saved the world.
 
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Rest assured while there may be few of you on this board many if not most people in the world breathed a sigh of relief when you elected Biden for President.

While I myself have often disagreed with the Republican Party on many issues (or with many European conservatives for that matter), I have the utmost respect for Republicans like you, who stood true to their Christian conscience and conservative values, even if that meant to vote for Biden rather than allowing Trump four more years. You may just have saved the world.

I'm hoping the Republican Party will nominate a Never-Trump Republican in the 2024 presidential election, so I can vote Republican again. As I said before, I'm so relieved Trump lost the Electoral College. I'm so relieved at the possibility of him being removed from office. I'm in contact with many Republicans and several other third party voters who share my desire to see Trump defeated in this election. I hope that our collective voices publicly speaking out against Trump encouraged other Americans to vote against him as well. I'm also encouraged by the videos on The Lincoln Project and Republicans Voting Against Trump sites too. In case you're not familiar with these sites, they are conservative movements of lifelong Republicans who posted videos explaining why they turned against Trump and voted for Biden. Trump has lost a lot of religious support.

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... the Covid-medication he praised and promised to every American for free is based on stem cells harvested from a human fetus aborted in 1973. ...

That's SHOCKING! Apparently he didn't MURDER that innocent child for the Wuhan Virus, -- where that LOSS is WORSE than the some 345,000 MURDERED CHILDREN by "Planned Parenthood" ALONE for 2019.

Yep, that TRUMP has some 'splainin to do, -- but let's not accuse "Planned Parenthood" or the Democrat Party. Shhhhhhhhhhhh
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Much of the world has been celebrating and rejoicing at Trump's defeat.

Europe celebrates Biden win with fireworks
Sorry, but I have to speak up on this link as it is completely untrue - Fox News didn’t check our history in the UK. November the 5th is bonfire night, we have fireworks going off throughout the week. So I can guarantee that the fireworks were not to celebrate Biden winning. They are in remembrance of Guy Fawkes, it happens every year.
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Sorry, but I have to speak up on this link as it is completely untrue - Fox News didn’t check our history in the UK. November the 5th is bonfire night, we have fireworks going off throughout the week. So I can guarantee that the fireworks were not to celebrate Biden winning. They are in remembrance of Guy Fawkes, it happens every year.
Rita xx

I’ve read the article, as well as other articles confirming the story, so I’m sure it’s factual. November 5th may be bonfire night, but that doesn’t negate the article’s confirmation of people in Europe celebrating Biden’s win.
 
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I’ve read the article, as well as other articles confirming the story, so I’m sure it’s factual. November 5th may be bonfire night, but that doesn’t negate the article’s confirmation of people in Europe celebrating Biden’s win.[/quote ]
Not going to argue with you, the person posting is not the person letting off the fireworks in both pictures
Right I have to go to work. Rita
 
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Actually I wasn't aware that this was a stem cell product.

But I've got feeling that just being a Trump supporter would be enough to raise your ire.

I did a quick search to check your claim. It looks like they did a clinical test that involved kidney cells from an aborted baby. So, not based on embrionic stem cells, as you claim, though the testing people did use aborted tissue.

I wonder how much that happens concerning medical treatments or other products of which we have no idea?

Much love!
I would recommend whenever we encounter those with TDS , those who hate Trump, when Christians are not to hate anyone, we should never take their words against Trump at face value. We should test even those spirits. In this case with regard to the quote you responded to, doing so allows us to find out the statement is false.
Not only is it false but it is an original source slander against our president that has its birth place in of all places Twitter.

The fetal stem cell claims are false. Always, always, check any claims against Trump. Doing so typically affords the same result time and again, they're false. Below is a fact check source that is rather lengthy in the explanation as to why this claim is false. However, I think if we are able to read a short slander against President Donald Trump we owe it to ourselves and our brother in Christ to read the truth that refutes the slander.

Let it stop here. It is a sin to bear false witness against a brother in Christ.
Fact check: Trump's antibody therapy not made from fetal stem cells but fetal-derived cells used during testing
Miriam Fauzia, USA TODAY Published 1:47 p.m. ET Oct. 8, 2020 | Updated 1:10 p.m. ET Oct. 9, 2020

We rate this claim FALSE because it is not supported by our research. The experimental antibody therapy Trump received was not directly made from fetal or embryonic stem cells, rather antibodies obtained from SARS-CoV-2 human survivors and immunized mice engineered with a human immune system. Regeneron's official statement released in April, cited on Twitter as a basis for the claim, is a general position on stem cell research and is unrelated to how the antibody therapy is actually made. However, an embryonic-derived cell line, albeit not a stem cell, does appear to have been involved at least in the early stages of Regeneron's testing process, according to supplementary material published in June. The HEK293T cells used are an immortalized cell line derived from embryonic kidney cells but are not stem cells themselves.
 
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WaterSong

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A sobering statistic was pointed out to me recently. We talk about the black lives lost at the hands of others. Different claims are that between 300,000 and 400,000 black babies are killed every year by their mothers. And no one does anything about it, except to make a profit.

Much love!
It's like they say, we cannot legislate morality. Abortion is legal. :( God rest the souls.
 
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There is no good in Biden's plan for America.
Those who voted for Biden voted for expansionist government and furtherance of what is currently active as an authoritarian dictatorship using Covid 19 as its vehicle. A vote for Joe Biden was irresponsible to our present and the future of our children.
11 Trillion Reasons To Fear Joe Biden's Presidency
The former vice president's vision of an all-powerful government goes far beyond massive spending and tax hikes.
Nick Gillespie | 10.27.2020
 

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There is no good in Biden's plan for America.
Those who voted for Biden voted for expansionist government and furtherance of what is currently active as an authoritarian dictatorship using Covid 19 as its vehicle. A vote for Joe Biden was irresponsible to our present and the future of our children.
11 Trillion Reasons To Fear Joe Biden's Presidency
The former vice president's vision of an all-powerful government goes far beyond massive spending and tax hikes.
Nick Gillespie | 10.27.2020
He has a nice smile.

:)
 
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There is no good in Biden's plan for America.
Those who voted for Biden voted for expansionist government and furtherance of what is currently active as an authoritarian dictatorship using Covid 19 as its vehicle. A vote for Joe Biden was irresponsible to our present and the future of our children.
11 Trillion Reasons To Fear Joe Biden's Presidency
The former vice president's vision of an all-powerful government goes far beyond massive spending and tax hikes.
Nick Gillespie | 10.27.2020
Still praying for those Senate seats for Georgia!

Much love!
 
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Yes. :D
Did you know that Hyenas smile before they rip the throat out of a gazelle?
I feel bad for the gazelle, but I know it's just the way it works in Fallen Creation, groaning to be released into the glorious liberty we now possess in Christ. We really ARE in a different kingdom, and our lives follow different rules, and while we subject ourselves to our governments, still we serve according to our True Lord's pleasure, and for His reward. And He will govern our lives according to His will.

Much love!
 
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I feel bad for the gazelle, but I know it's just the way it works in Fallen Creation, groaning to be released into the glorious liberty we now possess in Christ. We really ARE in a different kingdom, and our lives follow different rules, and while we subject ourselves to our governments, still we serve according to our True Lord's pleasure, and for His reward. And He will govern our lives according to His will.

Much love!
I can't blame a Hyena for being as they were intended to be by God.
I can assert that Joe Biden as a career politician has made his choices to leave a legacy of shame to his name as a Democrat Senator and Vice President.
He worships money. And has no problem selling out America and our future in order to obtain more.
I pray that a very old man suffering Alzheimer's will realize he can't take the money with him. And he will repent and find Christ while there is still time. I pray also for Kamala Harris that she find Christ and loose the wicked agenda that gives her breath, that she be redeemed in Christ and lives to be a better person. In Jesus name, amen.
 

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Trump is a bully, why are you making him the victim? He plays the victim perfectly without your help - he has been narcissistic since he was 2 years old.
Your source?
 

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Well, since you speak of making money from dead babies I’m sure you totally turned your back on Trump when you learned that the Covid-medication he praised and promised to every American for free is based on stem cells harvested from a human fetus aborted in 1973. So much for Trump actually being anti-abortion and anti stem-cell research.


Was Trump's Regeneron 'Cure' Developed Using Stem Cells and Fetal Tissues?


But I fear such information doesn't make it into the alternative reality Trump has created for his followership. The success with which he makes people believe all kinds of whacko conspiracy theories is scary.
Science took cells from an aborted fetus decades ago and that is the only time they did. They grow cells over and over from that one donor.
 
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Science took cells from an aborted fetus decades ago and that is the only time they did. They grow cells over and over from that one donor.
Donor? You are aware you just made the point for embryonic stem cell research, which the Trump administartion seeked to stop?

It is indeed worth asking if it isn’t permittable to use relatively few aborted children to save millions of people from horrible diseases. And I wouldn’t deem anybody morally deprived if unlike the average Christian they answered that question with “yes”. Personally I always felt a bit at unease with such utilitarian moral philosophy though.