The Trinity definition

[michaelvpardo]

Yes: because you and I are both people speaking & living in the modern era. I wasn't referring to old ways.

Yes, but the word of God is settled in heaven and God does not change.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Yes, but the word of God is settled in heaven and God does not change.

My answers were using modern cultural context, speaking as one modern cultural person to another.

If you want want talk about ancient Isreal and those more arranged marriages, we can - of course. But that wasn't the context I was phrasing my previous answers in and I just want to make sure that was/is clear.

 

[jaybird]

It sounds like you're entirely unfamiliar with sound doctrine, but yes YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO BE BORN AGAIN. Did you assist your mother when she gave birth to you? Christ would never have used the term "born" if you had anything to do with it other than being there. That change in spirit that comes from receiving the "breath" of God, the ruach ha kodesh, makes the spiritually dead come alive. It turns "hearts of stone" into " hearts of flesh", and changes the direction of our lives. It takes you off of the broad road that leads to hell and sets you on the way to eternal life. Religion does not do that and can not do that. God does that.

25 When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”

26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

What is it about "impossible" that you don't understand?
I don't need luck, because I know God and He's more than just my friend, He's my father by adoption. I've received His Spirit within me and He's given me power and understanding. If there really were any such thing as luck, it seems like you're the one who needs it.

awesome, so all i have to do is say whatever you want me to say and then i can go back to bags of weed, prostitutes, pornography and all the rest and after the end of this life of debauchery i will be welcome in heaven, open arms, pat on the back with a job well done. and according to you this is following Jesus, on my end it sounds like following aleister crowley.

 

[michaelvpardo]

My answers were using modern cultural context, speaking as one modern cultural person to another.

If you want want talk about ancient Isreal and those more arranged marriages, we can - of course. But that

awesome, so all i have to do is say whatever you want me to say and then i can go back to bags of weed, prostitutes, pornography and all the rest and after the end of this life of debauchery i will be welcome in heaven, open arms, pat on the back with a job well done. and according to you this is following Jesus, on my end it sounds like following aleister crowley.

You really don't know a bit of sound doctrine, do you? I'm familiar with crowley, and guess what, do what thou will is not the royal commandment.
Okay let's start the remedial class for Christian wannabes (if you don't know what remedial means, that's the "slow" class.)
It is impossible for those in their natural spiritual state (separated from God by sin) to do truly good and perfect works. No matter how hard you try, what you do is always tainted by what you are, an enemy of God.
You meet him who rejoices and does righteousness,
Who remembers You in Your ways.
You are indeed angry, for we have sinned—
In these ways we continue;
And we need to be saved.
But we are all like an unclean thing,
And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags;
We all fade as a leaf,
And our iniquities, like the wind,
Have taken us away. Isaiah 64:5-6
I don't read Hebrew, but plenty of good scholarly teachers do and there's always Strong's Concordance, and these verses are a very polite translation. The "filthy rags" is originally a word meaning menstrual clothes. Under the OT law they are unclean, untouchable, as dirty as dirty gets. That's your works before God in your natural state, completely unacceptable to Him. You could do the same exact works after being born again and suddenly those works are acceptable, not because of the works, but because you have been accepted in the beloved and receive the righteousness of Christ as your own.
Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord,
“That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness;
A King shall reign and prosper,
And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth.
In His days Judah will be saved,
And Israel will dwell safely. Now this is His name by which He will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS Jeremiah 23:5-7
I understand that religious people commonly believe that they are good and don't consider themselves enemies of God, but you can't believe scripture and also believe in your own goodness: So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
Matthew 19:17
The Apostle Paul also wrote about the carnal mind (the natural way we think and your posts kind of verify it.): 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Roman's 8:5-8
Now what you clearly aren't getting is that those who are submitted to the Holy Spirit having been born again, are lead by God to do works that He has prepared beforehand. They're His works, not ours, we just go along for the ride:
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. Phillipians 2:12-13
I don't expect you to understand this because it's spiritual and you obviously aren't, but if you confess your iniquity before Christ, admit that you can't save yourself and ask Him to take over by giving you His Spirit, believing that He'll do exactly what He said that He would do, you can receive Him too.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

You really don't know a bit of sound doctrine, do you? I'm familiar with crowley, and guess what, do what thou will is not the royal commandment.
Okay let's start the remedial class for Christian wannabes (if you don't know what remedial means, that's the "slow" class.)
It is impossible for those in their natural spiritual state (separated from God by sin) to do truly good and perfect works. No matter how hard you try, what you do is always tainted by what you are, an enemy of God.
You meet him who rejoices and does righteousness,
Who remembers You in Your ways.
You are indeed angry, for we have sinned—
In these ways we continue;
And we need to be saved.
But we are all like an unclean thing,
And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags;
We all fade as a leaf,
And our iniquities, like the wind,
Have taken us away. Isaiah 64:5-6
I don't read Hebrew, but plenty of good scholarly teachers do and there's always Strong's Concordance, and these verses are a very polite translation. The "filthy rags" is originally a word meaning menstrual clothes. Under the OT law they are unclean, untouchable, as dirty as dirty gets. That's your works before God in your natural state, completely unacceptable to Him. You could do the same exact works after being born again and suddenly those works are acceptable, not because of the works, but because you have been accepted in the beloved and receive the righteousness of Christ as your own.
Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord,
“That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness;
A King shall reign and prosper,
And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth.
In His days Judah will be saved,
And Israel will dwell safely. Now this is His name by which He will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS Jeremiah 23:5-7
I understand that religious people commonly believe that they are good and don't consider themselves enemies of God, but you can't believe scripture and also believe in your own goodness: So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
Matthew 19:17
The Apostle Paul also wrote about the carnal mind (the natural way we think and your posts kind of verify it.): 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Roman's 8:5-8
Now what you clearly aren't getting is that those who are submitted to the Holy Spirit having been born again, are lead by God to do works that He has prepared beforehand. They're His works, not ours, we just go along for the ride:
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. Phillipians 2:12-13
I don't expect you to understand this because it's spiritual and you obviously aren't, but if you confess your iniquity before Christ, admit that you can't save yourself and ask Him to take over by giving you His Spirit, believing that He'll do exactly what He said that He would do, you can receive Him too.

Was this supposed to be addressed to me?

 

[jaybird]

You really don't know a bit of sound doctrine, do you? I'm familiar with crowley, and guess what, do what thou will is not the royal commandment.
Okay let's start the remedial class for Christian wannabes (if you don't know what remedial means, that's the "slow" class.)
It is impossible for those in their natural spiritual state (separated from God by sin) to do truly good and perfect works. No matter how hard you try, what you do is always tainted by what you are, an enemy of God.
You meet him who rejoices and does righteousness,
Who remembers You in Your ways.
You are indeed angry, for we have sinned—
In these ways we continue;
And we need to be saved.
But we are all like an unclean thing,
And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags;
We all fade as a leaf,
And our iniquities, like the wind,
Have taken us away. Isaiah 64:5-6
I don't read Hebrew, but plenty of good scholarly teachers do and there's always Strong's Concordance, and these verses are a very polite translation. The "filthy rags" is originally a word meaning menstrual clothes. Under the OT law they are unclean, untouchable, as dirty as dirty gets. That's your works before God in your natural state, completely unacceptable to Him. You could do the same exact works after being born again and suddenly those works are acceptable, not because of the works, but because you have been accepted in the beloved and receive the righteousness of Christ as your own.
Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord,
“That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness;
A King shall reign and prosper,
And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth.
In His days Judah will be saved,
And Israel will dwell safely. Now this is His name by which He will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS Jeremiah 23:5-7
I understand that religious people commonly believe that they are good and don't consider themselves enemies of God, but you can't believe scripture and also believe in your own goodness: So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
Matthew 19:17
The Apostle Paul also wrote about the carnal mind (the natural way we think and your posts kind of verify it.): 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Roman's 8:5-8
Now what you clearly aren't getting is that those who are submitted to the Holy Spirit having been born again, are lead by God to do works that He has prepared beforehand. They're His works, not ours, we just go along for the ride:
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure. Phillipians 2:12-13
I don't expect you to understand this because it's spiritual and you obviously aren't, but if you confess your iniquity before Christ, admit that you can't save yourself and ask Him to take over by giving you His Spirit, believing that He'll do exactly what He said that He would do, you can receive Him too.

the problem is if we follow what your teaching, its no different than what crowley taaught. thats the big conundrum you grace only people dont have a solution for. you think Jesus came to abolish the law, crowley believed Lucifer came to abolish the law, either way the law gets abolished therefore the end result is the same in both.

Jesus said He did not come to abolish the law, He also said do not teach against the law. this is how these teachings (YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO BE BORN AGAIN)get so backwards from Jesus and line up with alister crowley because they are the opposite of Jesus.

 

[ChristisGod]

awesome, so all i have to do is say whatever you want me to say and then i can go back to bags of weed, prostitutes, pornography and all the rest and after the end of this life of debauchery i will be welcome in heaven, open arms, pat on the back with a job well done. and according to you this is following Jesus, on my end it sounds like following aleister crowley.

no because once you are born again you are a new creation in Christ the old has passed and all things have become new- your desires, priorities, following Christ not the world, denying yourself taking up your cross daily etc........

any more questions ?

 

[jaybird]

no because once you are born again you are a new creation in Christ the old has passed and all things have become new- your desires, priorities, following Christ not the world, denying yourself taking up your cross daily etc........

any more questions ?

so you have to have works to be a new creation?

 

[ChristisGod]

so you have to have works to be a new creation?

Ephesians 2:8-10

 

[Ziggy]

Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Jhn 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
Jhn 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
Jhn 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Jhn 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Jhn 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Good works:
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Charity.. :)

Believe and ye shall receive.
Hugs

 

[jaybird]

Ephesians 2:8-10

that mean you dont know?

 

[justbyfaith]

I understand that religious people commonly believe that they are good and don't consider themselves enemies of God, but you can't believe scripture and also believe in your own goodness: So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.

Actually, scripture declares that Barnabas was a good man (Acts of the Apostles 11:22-24) and in Romans 15:14 the apostle tells the Roman believers that they are full of goodness. We are also told by Jesus in Luke 8:15 that the good soil is composed of an honest and good heart.

This is not because we are good in and of ourselves, or of our own strength; but because the fruit of the Spirit is, among other things, goodness (Galatians 5:22-23).

So then, it is not my goodness that manifests itself in me but the goodness of the Lord.

 

[ChristisGod]

that mean you dont know?

read the passage its self explanatory

 

[jaybird]

read the passage its self explanatory

but i asked you, did you have an answer? its a simple yes or no.

 

[ChristisGod]

but i asked you, did you have an answer? its a simple yes or no.

read the passage for the answer

 

[jaybird]

read the passage for the answer

that means you dont know and your dodging the question.

btw if you have any questions for me feel free to ask, i dont run from question, just saying lol

 

[farouk]

Ephesians 2:8-10

@Christophany Faith produces works; it is not a requirement to achieve faith.

 

[ChristisGod]

@Christophany Faith produces works; it is not a requirement to achieve faith.

exactly !

 

[farouk]

Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Jhn 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
Jhn 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
Jhn 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Jhn 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Jhn 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Good works:
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Charity.. :)

Believe and ye shall receive.
Hugs

@Ziggy True faith produces works.

Good passages there!

 

[michaelvpardo]

the problem is if we follow what your teaching, its no different than what crowley taaught. thats the big conundrum you grace only people dont have a solution for. you think Jesus came to abolish the law, crowley believed Lucifer came to abolish the law, either way the law gets abolished therefore the end result is the same in both.

Jesus said He did not come to abolish the law, He also said do not teach against the law. this is how these teachings (YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO BE BORN AGAIN)get so backwards from Jesus and line up with alister crowley because they are the opposite of Jesus.

The problem is your reading comprehension and unbelief in the scripture.