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[Waiting on him]

This was what Noah’s boy was doing. He went into Noah’s tent and saw his daddy laying there naked, and instead of covering him he immediately goes outside to find his brothers, so to glory in his fathers flesh. He sees his brothers outside and says look at him laying in there naked, he’s a drunk, pathetic...... not like me the righteous.

 

[Waiting on him]

1 Corinthians 5:6 KJV
[6] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
Here’s some scripture.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I gave no opinion; but simply quoted the texts as they are written or else gave the plain meaning of the text.

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YOu didn't.

 

[Waiting on him]

1 Corinthians 13:4 KJV
[4] Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

 

[Waiting on him]

YOu didn't.

He got his legs switched earlier, probably off somewhere sulking.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This one...
KJV Romans 3:31
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

So do you obey the MOsaic Law?

I think the law in general is liberating in the sense it gives freedom of expression. Let me explain. Say I want to build a dog box. Simple right? But in order for the box to be functional, I need to comply with certain laws. Even for a dog box there's a building code. Water proof. Wind resistant. Accessable. Perhaps even insulated. In other words, it must be dry and warm. If these rules aren't complied with, the dog box is just a wooden structure of no purpose. Yet within those rules, warm and dry can look like a mansion. There is ample freedom of expression even while still obeying the laws. But if one doesn't obey the laws, all one has is a useless sculpture that will likely fall over in the first puff of wind. And if you apply the same to music, no laws... Punk rock

Well if this is what you believe the law is for! Amen! Except for liberating. Obedience to the law for the law is death inducing as Paul said.

But our obedience is a testimony that Jesus is our righteousness.

To what?

It is not to what- but to whom. All 613 MOsaic Laws (including the tten in stone) have been rendered obsolete and void by Jesus death. We walk according to the Law of the Spirit (Rom. 8) which sets us free from the law of sin and death (the Mosaic Law)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You have such a delightful writing style... I so enjoy reading your posts.

thanks you are the first to compliment my directness and bluntness.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

He got his legs switched earlier, probably off somewhere sulking.

We all need a good switching now and then. As for me, God needs to use a 4X4 up side the head. Jethro Tull worte a song about me "Thick as a brick". LOL. In th ehands of the Lord it is a wonderful thing! IN my hands I am like a crazed bull in a china shop!

 

[marks]

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. (Ecclesiastes 12:13)​

If you love Me, keep My commandments. (John 14:15)​

So do Solomon and Christ, I guess.

We definately are to keep God's commandments. But God does not command His children to keep the Law, nor is the Law the measure of His children.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Do folks actually believe there is no distinction between the laws that foreshadowed Christ and the ten commandments? Why else would the apostle Paul use an obscure term like "handwriting of ordinances" in Colossians 2:14? Just read any Christian literature produced before 1950 and it's as plain as day what "the law of God" means. Were they just all stupid and uninformed? It's a matter of creeping compromise. It has now fully blossomed into rebellion that's become practically automatic in post-modern Christianity. If anyone's "concocted" a short list, it's God Himself. If it's all the same, why did He bother with the "tables of stone" business?

One of these things is not like the other.

1. Tables of stone
2. Handwriting of ordinances

Is this rocket science? It's either that or people just don't want to be bothered by substantive obedience.

And, please, let's not have the "the other 9 commandments are self-evident" argument. Ask a remote missionary about that nonsense.

What I don't get is that people my age and older are actually buying this stuff.

That handwriting in Colossians 2, this is a "certificate of debt". Paul uses the same thing in Philemeon, I'm writing in my own hand, I will repay. It was the practice, and when they called it, a cheirographon, or, handwriting. When it was paid, it was overwritten tetelestai, Finished.

You're right, God Himself made the true short list, trust Jesus and love others. These two things. And these new commandments so completely transcend the OT covenant with Israel.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I agree.
As far as the “Repentance” That Saves a Soul From Damnation.....Jesus gave us an illustration of how True Repentance plays out with the story of the Sinful Publican. It showed a man with a “ Contrite “ Heart ( a “ Repentant” Heart, one could say), who “ Turned to God” ( Repented) and asked for Mercy.
“ Lord, have Mercy on me, a Sinner!”
Jesus said this man was Saved. The Publican did NOT turn “ from” sin——- he Turned “ TO” God.
Anybody that “ turns to God” will be granted the Gift of the Holy Spirit, because “ without” that Spirit , you are “ NONE of His”
The “ New Creation” has a New Heart....A Heart That finds Sinning Repulsive....
“ Turning “FROM” Sin” comes Naturally for those with New Hearts....We must not “ put the Cart before the horse”......
“TURN TO GOD” with a CONTRITE ( Repentant) Heart as a Lost Sinner, like the Publican did..... get that Holy Spirit Inside Of you.....and the “ TURNING FROM SIN “ will occur Naturally as God goes to work, cleaning you up from the inside out ( that “ inside of the cup” thingy ), Transforming you into the very “ image of His Son”. He has Promised to “ Finish the Work That “ HE” started. And He will. “ IF” you Trust Him.......May God bless us all in the understanding of these things....

May He indeed! Well said!

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

The Publican did NOT turn “ from” sin——- he Turned “ TO” God.

The text does not say anywhere in it that the publican didn't turn from his sin...a case can be made that he did indeed do so. It is clear that he was at the very least sorry for his sin. And such an attitude is conducive to repentance (turning away from wickedness)

“ Turning “FROM” Sin” comes Naturally for those with New Hearts....We must not “ put the Cart before the horse”......

So, I must wait for God to produce a new heart in me before I am called to repent? How will I know that He has done so?

Allow me to say that whether a man repents as the result o having tated the grace of God or whether he repents as a catalyst for receving the grace of God, that repentance is necessary for salvation.

Because, those who do iniquity will be cast into the furnace of fire (Matthew 7:23, Matthew 25:41, Matthew 13:41-42).

Therefore, in order to not be cast into the furnace of fire, a man must cease to be a worker of iniquity (for we are all born dead in trespasses and sins, Ephesians 2:1); and that involves repeenting (turning away from wickedness, Ezekiel 33:19)

Don’t Forget! You must repent of all of your Sins before you die or all of this stuff you just mentioned is a waste of time.....right?

It is a matter of making a 180-degree turn away from the direction of sin, death, and hell, towards the direction of righteousness, life, and heaven.

You don't have to identify all of your sins in order to do so. It involves making a commitment to read the word of God and begin doing what it says.

and all the time leading people to Hell as they preach that the Blood Of Jesus May be Essential for Salvation, but in and of itself? Nah.....it just ain’t Adequate.I gotta help Jesus out ....I gotta DO something! Jesus really needs a Co- Savior.....and that “ Co-Savior “ is ME!

Becoming willing for God to do the work of sanctification within me does not make me a "co-saviour".

He does all the saving at my request.

In order for me to make that request, I must be willing for Him to "take away all iniquity"...

Hos 14:2, Take with you words, and turn to the LORD: say unto him, Take away all iniquity, and receive us graciously: so will we render the calves of our lips.

I gave no opinion; but simply quoted the texts as they are written or else gave the plain meaning of the text.

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You <fify> didn't.

I did.

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He got his legs switched earlier, probably off somewhere sulking.

Why would I be off somewhere sulking? I know that persecution for righteousness' sake means that I am blessed because it means that mine is the kingdom of heaven. On the other hand, I'm not happy about it because it means that certain others won't be able to receive the good news that will save them as it comes from me.

All 613 MOsaic Laws (including the tten in stone) have been rendered obsolete and void by Jesus death.

Only in the sense of being condemning as they are written on tablets of stone. They don't any longer condemn us from the outside; but they do govern us from the inside (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 5:5).

 

[Waiting on him]

Is arrogance a fruit of the Spirit?

 

[justbyfaith]

Is arrogance a fruit of the Spirit?

Who are you accusing of being arrogant?

 

[marks]

I didn't decide which laws don't have to be literally kept and which ones do not. The Bible explains this for us. And the Bible says you are justified (shown to be righteous, not made to be righteous) when you keep God's commmands—the ones that remain to be kept by us.

Actually, I have to disagree, you do decide which. If you are looking at the Mosaic covenant laws, this was a covenant made between God and Israel. A contract.

Even those in the contract don't get to pick and choose once it's signed. Much less an disinterested third party who want to be a part of it.

You take these provisions, leave those, and play Law.

But God's Law in covenant with Israel is a unit - the Law. If you keep it you live. But if you offend in one place you are a lawbreaker. You don't have the right to carve it up.

You say, the Scripture tells you what parts. But the Scripture declare that we are dead to Law, alive to Christ, to serve Him. We are under a new law, the law of love in Christ. And no . . . not just warm fuzzies . . . let's try and stay with what I'm really saying here, the presence of Jesus in me conforming my life to His and pouring out the love of God in all I say and do.

And again . . . God already knows who His children are. He is the One Who justified us to begin with.

Much love!

 

[marks]

The Spiritual descendants of Hagar ( the Legalists ) will ALWAYS be around to attack the Spiritual descendants of the Free Woman , Sarah..They SHOULD Be thrown out of Christians Sites but until they are ......I will just use them as “ Springboards” to get the Gospel of Pure Grace out there.

The more I discuss these things, the more clear to me it becames that we are truly dead to the Law, and alive to Christ, and how this so fully harmonizes.

They go on and on, you'll just SinSinSin!! But only in the truth is there true freedom to not live that roller coaster life!

The Law was given to cause men to come to God. Once you've known Jesus, do you really want to hug His shadow?

What is it I read? That faith makes our lives look like the law? Such nonsense! Faith makes our lives look like Jesus!

That which you set your heart on, that which you measure yourself by, that's what you are turning yourself into as best you can. I set my heart on being like Jesus. I think you do to!

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

Those who are under the New Covenant, the law is written on their hearts and in their minds (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 5:5, Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14).)

 

[Waiting on him]

Those who are under the New Covenant, the law is written on their hearts and in their minds (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 5:5, Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14).)

John 8:8-9 KJV
[8] And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. [9] And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
My wife brought to my attention recently.

Isaiah 58:9 KJV
[9] Then shalt thou call, and the Lord shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;

I hope you understand.

 

[justbyfaith]

John 8:8-9 KJV
[8] And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. [9] And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
My wife brought to my attention recently.

Isaiah 58:9 KJV
[9] Then shalt thou call, and the Lord shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;

I hope you understand.

I think that I need a little bit more from you as to what you mean by these verses.

I know that others have put forth the finger towards me in recent days; but I don't think that I have put forth the finger towards anyone else; except maybe in self-defense.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

1 Cor 15
For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

next.................................

I don't go to this passage for the gospel message because it doesn't explain what these things mean. The gospel has always been about the forgiveness of sin. A forgiveness granted apart from the merit of good works. Namely, the works of the law. Isaiah 55:6-7 is a good place to begin with the gospel message of salvation.

Isaiah 55:6-7
6Seek the Lord while he may be found; call on him while he is near.
7Let the wicked forsake their ways and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them, and to our God, for he will freely pardon.

So we see this knowledge of salvation given freely through forgiveness was available even during the old covenant but was fully unveiled in the coming of Christ and proclaimed through the preaching of the Apostles.....

Acts 13
26“Fellow children of Abraham and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent.
32“We tell you the good news (which literally means the GOSPEL): What God promised our ancestors
33 he has fulfilled for us, their children, by raising up Jesus.
38“Therefore, my friends, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you.
39Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.

Michiah-Imla shared from this very passage of scripture. So I don't know why there's this breakdown in communication.