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[Ferris Bueller]

You always have had a good knack for “ cutting to the chase”...... me? I’m way too windy .....Believe it or not , I am actually working on that.....thanks for you support of Paul’s Lost Gospel Of Grace.....have a Merry Christmas —— you and your Genius wife both! Lol....

Purposely continuing free and clear and without conscience in the sins of your old life and still entering into the kingdom—that's the lost gospel of grace? You are deceived. The true gospel of grace teaches a person to say 'no' to ungodliness and live upright lives.

Titus 2:11-12
11For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age

Listen people. If grace isn't teaching you this you have a counterfeit grace. You will go to the fiery place when Jesus comes back. You are unconverted. And insisting that you can't lose your salvation won't change the fact that you are unconverted. If you die rejecting and denying Christ in a life of purposeful, willful, deliberate sin you will go to the lake of fire when Jesus comes back. You are an unbeliever. Struggling saints who believe and live for him, but who sometimes fail because of ignorance or weakness, will go to the right and into the eternal kingdom.

1 John 3:7-8
7 ...let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous.e 8The one who practices sin is of the devil

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Matthew 24:48
48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Counterfeit grace says you can be that hypocrite who beats his fellow servants and gets drunk and you will still enter into the kingdom. Jesus says you'll go to hell.

The true grace of God will prepare you to be ready to meet Christ at his coming. Counterfeit grace won't. It will just make you think you're ready while you continue in the same old unconverted life you've always had. Fix that while you still can. Receive the true grace of God. Confess and renounce your sin and receive the grace of God to be free of the sin that will condemn you at the return of Christ. Here is the true gospel of grace and mercy.....

Isaiah 55:6-7
6Seek the Lord while he may be found; call on him while he is near.
7Let the wicked forsake their ways and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them, and to our God, for he will freely pardon.

 

[justbyfaith]

The Lawyers you see here don’t understand , due to being “ poor students of the Word” that whoever is promoting the Law is promoting Sin also ,

Isa 8:20, To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Not that it counts a whit for Salvation , but if you want to see you Performance as it pertains to the Law “ improve”...... quit worrying about it!

Jas 1:25, But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

.it’s really as simple as just doing what God Commands......REST in the Gospel.....the Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing ....Jesus really “ DID “ die for all of your Sins. These Lawyers HAVE to be concerned about the Law all Of the time....they Don’t believe the Gospel.....as stated , it’s that “Jesus Died For Your Sins” thingy.......they don't Trust it. God bless...

Contrary to your belief, a true evangelist can preach the law and yet be fully redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ, trusting wholly in what He did for him for salvation.

Because the law is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24). It shows men that they are sinners in need of the Saviour (Romans 3:20). And it has the power to convert the soul (Psalms 19:7 (kjv)).

While it does not have the power to impart life (Galatians 3:21).

How then does it convert the soul? It brings a man to the place where he will not trust in the flesh any longer but will rely on the Spirit to help him to live the Christian life, to even cause him to walk in God's statutes and judgments (Ezekiel 36:25-27).

It is not that the man looks to a set of do's and don't and seeks to obey them. It is that he places his faith and trust in Jesus Christ so that he receives the Holy Spirit (Galatians 3:14); so he bears the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), against which there is no law.

That means that when we bear the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law in existence that will condemn us as being violators.

Gal 5:18, But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Thus, there is a righteousness of God apart from the law that is nevertheless attested to by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21), that it is righteousness indeed.

We need to change the name of this Thread to “Law Law Law”
The Bible clearly states that “ by the Works Of The Law — NO FLESH WILL BE JUSTIFIED”....and that
Christ is the END of the Law for Righteousness for ALL that Believe”
And yet they continue to Blather On and On about a System that God abandoned for Salvation a long time ago.....He Found FAULT with it, declared it was “weak and useless” , delared it had “ NO POWER” to SAVE!
Now, I don’t know about all of you Newbies out there , but “ I” wanna get Saved? Are you with me ? Of course you are! So why waste our time obsessing and arguing about something that has no Saving Power ? That “ Sin Activator”, the Law. The Lawyers you see here don’t understand , due to being “ poor students of the Word” that whoever is promoting the Law is promoting Sin also , because the Power Of Sin is the Law.Once again, due to their Biblical Ignorance they don’t even know that God gave the Law so that Sin might actually INCREASE ! I bet their homes are crawling with Sin or else God is mistaken....
“ By GRACE you are Saved”....... go back through their Junk Posts and count the times you see the Word “ GRACE” mentioned . Nary a bit, if any. They don't Trust God's Way —— Grace Alone. They don't understand it , they don’t believe it either.,You wanna know why they don’t Believe it ? The Grace That could Save+them has not been extended to them.....they are at the VERY LEAST , “Fallen From Grace” .It might be the case that they are not even Saved.That will be for God to decide. Don’t you think it strange that the very thing that Saves is not even mentioned ? If they continue to ignore Grace, and spend their time fussing and fretting about a “Law” That Christians are supposedly DEAD to and if they refuse to REST in the Gospel Of Grace Found In 1Cor 15:1-4 .....God will declare them guilty of “ UNBELIEF”....
Don’t follow we’ll- meaning ( maybe) But Blind Guides .....Grace is the Answer we have all been looking for ....
Not that it counts a whit for Salvation , but if you want to see you Performance as it pertains to the Law “ improve”...... quit worrying about it! Knowing you can never go to Hell for Sinning is the only way to stop Sinning . I know it sounds crazy. You have to live it to understand it .....Pray to your Heavenly Father that He get you there....it’s really as simple as just doing what God Commands......REST in the Gospel.....the Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing ....Jesus really “ DID “ die for all of your Sins. These Lawyers HAVE to be concerned about the Law all Of the time....they Don’t believe the Gospel.....as stated , it’s that “Jesus Died For Your Sins” thingy.......they don't Trust it. God bless...

Now that I have the victory over the besetting sin that used to plague me, I am no longer a recipient of the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The only way to be saved is to trust that grace gives you the license to sin with your besetting sin; and the moment you stop sinning your besetting sin, you have obviously fallen from grace and therefore have lost your salvation.

Repentance means that you stop trying to be righteous but accept the fact that you are a sinner and resign yourself to a lifestyle of sinning because it is resolved that you are a sinner and cannot do anything about that fact. We ought to sin boldly because we cannot do anything but sin in this life and therefore Jesus' sacrifice was made to put sinners in heaven.

Sound odd?

Yet it is what I hear when I translate @Blood Bought 1953's words through the lens of Holy Spirit discernment...

Here is what I would say to it.

(I will here give my viewpoint that if sin is allowed into heaven, heaven will not truly be heavenly; because there will be death, sorrow, crying and tears because of sin; just as is the case on earth)

In Romans 7:24, Paul shows forth the attitude of anyone who is redeemed or on the pathway of being redeemed who is living a Romans 7:14-25 lifestyle. It is an attitude of discontentedness over living a lifestyle of sinning. Any other attitude means that you are not a Christian if you are living in besetting sins.

There are those who have latched onto OSAS theology to their own destruction, thinking that they have fire insurance because they walked forward at a church service or Crusade...but there is no desire to follow Jesus and no desire to be set free from a lifestyle of sinning. Such people are truly condemned; and they do not understand that God is holy (1 Peter 1:15-16) and that they have misunderstood Paul's writings (see 2 Peter 3:15-16).

I think that I will leave it at that for now.

 

[HisLife]

That's what's wrong with the church. We've brought loads of people into the church who don't want to be different people and be saved from their sins that way. They just want to avoid going to hell. Free Grace theology gives them what their itching ears want to hear. And so we have a church full of hypocrites, claiming Jesus with their mouth but living unconverted in the hypocrisy of their same old unsaved lives. It's ruined the church.

Your always so bitter always accusing the church but whats is it to you, You haven't brought anyone into the church you just accuse the church and are angry at grace, Something you might not understand is the Real Church Loves the person of Jesus and want to see him and spend eternity with him, where that will be who knows but it will be awesome because he will be there. Grace is Free it is a gift if you cant understand that Christianity is not for you., I agree Church buildings can be full of hypocrites Jesus gave many warnings about them, They cant live up to the standard they put on others, As to your last sentence who and what are you accusing of you don't know what's going on in others lives especially on a forum, Give it your best shot what sin do you accuse me of?

 

[justbyfaith]

@HisLife, @Blood Bought 1953,

1Jo 3:8, He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

He that committeth sin is of the devil (1 John 3:8).

Are you saying that it is right and true that the people of Jesus Christ are sinners (those who commit sin)?

Then they are of the devil.

Does that make Jesus Christ the devil?

You have to see that the problem with the theology that you are espousing has as its inherent flaw not only a problem in harmatiology but in its Christology.

That's right...I'm saying that you have a different Jesus than the Jesus of the Bible.

1Jo 2:29, If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

 

[HisLife]

@HisLife,

He that committeth sin is of the devil (1 John 3:8).

Are you saying that it is right and true that the people of Jesus Christ are sinners (those who commit sin)?

Then they are of the devil.

Does that make Jesus Christ the devil?

You have to see that the problem with the theology that you are espousing has as its inherent flaw not only a problem in harmatiology but in its Christology.

Man your nuts...even on Christmas...Did Jesus Sin, No he didn't That's why death couldn't keep hold of him and he rose from the dead

There is the hypocrisy you admit you still sin So are you of the devil?, let's Define What sin you are talking about Seen you are so upset about sins, For a Christian Jesus Died for there sins

Look at Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ

If you are circumcised your flesh is cut off, so what is cut off? the body of the sins of the flesh

So what about Works, What if you did Sin When you have been cut off from them?

I noticed you edited after I replied...quite low

 

[HisLife]

Ok Justbyfaith Seen you brought a different Jesus into the discussion Lets talk about your Jesus That you think visited you who you called they That told you you can keep taking the medication that causes you to sin, And you Justify your Sin by the medication you take, Then push If you sin there is no sacrifice left for you sin and if you sin you are of the Devil, Do you see the contridiction

 

[justbyfaith]

There is the hypocrisy you admit you still sin So are you of the devil?

No one keeps the letter of the law (Galatians 6:13), so we all sin in that sense.

But in another sense, the righteousness of the law is fulfillable in us (Romans 8:4). Through love (Romans 5:5, Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6)

Because we are no longer bound by the letter but are obedient to the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6).

I noticed you edited after I replied...quite low

I sometimes edit my posts after I have posted them. I did not edit my post after seeing yours; but I edited before seeing your post. It is your prerogative to edit your own post to fit more nicely how you want to respond to my edited post.

Funny that a person who is all about grace should be so judgmental.

It is what it is...

 

[justbyfaith]

Ok Justbyfaith Seen you brought a different Jesus into the discussion Lets talk about your Jesus That you think visited you who you called they That told you you can keep taking the medication that causes you to sin, And you Justify your Sin by the medication you take, Then push If you sin there is no sacrifice left for you sin and if you sin you are of the Devil, Do you see the contridiction

That was over four weeks ago that I was saying those things. Since then, the Lord has done a work of delivering me from the thing that I was excusing in my own life because of the medication.

As for the medication itself, it is a necessity in my life because I have a chemical imbalance in my brain that is faithfully corrected by the medicine that I take. If I don't take it, I go off the deep end in my behaviour and not just in the things that I say.

But really, you should judge the things that I say by whether the holy scripture teaches it or not. I always try to back up my statements with references so that the folks reading can be Bereans (Acts of the Apostles 17:10-11).

 

[justbyfaith]

Look at Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ

If you are circumcised your flesh is cut off, so what is cut off? the body of the sins of the flesh

So what about Works, What if you did Sin When you have been cut off from them?

Sorry I don't understand your question.

 

[HisLife]

That was over four weeks ago that I was saying those things. Since then, the Lord has done a work of delivering me from the thing that I was excusing in my own life because of the medication.

As for the medication itself, it is a necessity in my life because I have a chemical imbalance in my brain that is faithfully corrected by the medicine that I take. If I don't take it, I go off the deep end in my behaviour and not just in the things that I say.

But really, you should judge the things that I say by whether the holy scripture teaches it or not. I always try to back up my statements with references so that the folks reading can be Bereans (Acts of the Apostles 17:10-11).

It's not about the medication it's about the hypocrisy and the standard you put on others that you fail yourself, and then you always try and get personal, Seen you bring in another Jesus I really wanted to Get to the bottom of this and see what Jesus you where talking about, Seen your Jesus makes it about works and you can lose your salvation It can't be the same Jesus of the new testament, That says By grace are you saved through faith, not of works, The scriptures say Test the spirit to see if it is of God, So I really want to talk about that

 

[justbyfaith]

Man your nuts..

I suppose I should join the club...

If John the Baptist did today what he did back then, he would have been institutionalized.

 

[justbyfaith]

It's not about the medication it's about the hypocrisy and the standard you put on others that you fail yourself, and then you always try and get personal, Seen you bring in another Jesus I really wanted to Get to the bottom of this and see what Jesus you where talking about, Seen your Jesus makes it about works and you can lose your salvation It can't be the same Jesus of the new testament, That says By grace are you saved through faith, not of works, The scriptures say Test the spirit to see if it is of God, So I really want to talk about that

No, with the Jesus that I preach one cannot lose their salvation.

The one who does the will of God abideth (sinneth not, 1 John 3:6) for ever (1 John 2:17).

This is the Jesus that was preached by the apostle John.

Paul also preached the same Jesus; but many have misunderstood Paul's writings (see 2 Peter 3:15-16).

 

[HisLife]

Sorry I don't understand your question.

I answered the first part, If you have Been Cut off from the body of sins of the flesh, What would happen if you did Sin, Or what if you did actually do something good

 

[justbyfaith]

Grace is the power to overcome sin by my estimation (see Titus 2:11-14).

not in reply to #834.

 

[justbyfaith]

I answered the first part, If you have Been Cut off from the body of sins of the flesh, What would happen if you did Sin, Or what if you did actually do something good

How can anyone who has been cut off from the sins of the flesh sin?

I don't understand the 2nd part of your question.

And I also am beginning to become a little bit tired; so forgive me if after a few more posts I retire for the night.

 

[HisLife]

How can anyone who has been cut off from the sins of the flesh sin?

I don't understand the 2nd part of your question.

And I also am beginning to become a little bit tired; so forgive me if after a few more posts I retire for the night.

Well you admit you sin so I think you don't understand pauls message at all, Lets carry on tomorrow, There are so many points we could deal with its hard to know were to start, Heres a challenge for you for tomorrow deal with facts and no personal opinions!

 

[justbyfaith]

Well you admit you sin so I think you don't understand pauls message at all, Lets carry on tomorrow, There are so many points we could deal with its hard to know were to start, Heres a challenge for you for tomorrow deal with facts and no personal opinions!

I think that I have not sinned for some time now; and when I have done so, I confessed it to the Lord so it was cleansed (1 John 1:9).

I actually went a lot longer the last time without committing my besetting sin; when I did fall it cannot be said that it was a willful or intentional sin.

I am getting stronger against my besetting sin as time passes and I give a lot of credit to the theology that I espouse on these boards.

It is a definite scriptural fact that he who sins is of the devil; wherever that places you and me in relation to God and the devil.

So let's start there.

 

[justbyfaith]

See you again tomorrow.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

He does not always teach grace....he teaches that those who preach repentance and a changed life are going to go to hell for their preaching.

That is not grace....that is condemnation.


Look, I am not a stupid man.....I may bound for an everlasting hell as you claim because you won’t clean the mud out of your ears as I tell you some things here for the umpteenth time .....yes , I am not Stupid.....I know the following will be a waste of time and precious computer ink ( I’m down to a quarter of a barrel ! ) But Hey......it’s Christmas! And in the spirit of Christmas I will waste my time and give you the following gift, knowing it will be ignored and misrepresented .....I survive by trusting that somebody out there does not have “ dull ears” combined with a “ Stiff Neck”...
Preaching “ Repentance” is MANDANTORY for Salvation....do you HEAR THAT? If one doe
not have a “ Changed Life” That can be an indication that something is Terribly Wrong!
HERE is the Problem . All Unbelievers must REPENT to be Saved....NOT Repent “ OF SINS” to be Saved...Nowhere in the KJV is that mentioned as the Way Of Salvation .The “ Way Of Salvation” is to BELIEVE the Gospel Of 1Cor 15:1-4 . This was the Way of Salvation That the Ascended Christ shared with Paul to spread to the World . NOT , “ Be Saved by Quitting all of your Sins”.The UNREGENERATE, Unsaved man lacks the “ Power “ to do any such Thing!
Once the Unsaved man believes that “ Jesus died for his sins and rose from the Dead” ( the Gospel) God will put His Holy Spirit in that man along with a New Heart That Hates the Sins That the Sinful man used to “ live for !” All things “ have become New” to the man who Trust in the Gospel to save Him...He has been “Born Again”. With the New Heart He now has the “Desire” to change and with God’s Holy Spirit He has the POWER to change!
So, my friend, do you see now that we preach Using the same words but I am convinced that the meanings that “You” attach to the words are wrong.....literally , “ damned” Wrong . The Poor Soul who Fools Himself into thinking that he has conquered the sin in his life because he has put his Trust in a man who wears a weird collar, or because he wears a suit and stands in a pulpit .....that guy needs to realize that even if he “ could” do the impossible ( live the perfect life demanded by Jesus)the TRUTH was he had spent his entire life “ barking up the wrong Tree”. God was NEVER interested “Salvation Wise” as to what “ You “ did.....ALL along it was all about what “JESUS” Did ! And what did Jesus do? He shed His Blood for you! Wanna see it ? It’s probably right up there in Heaven, within your site! There is a Heavenly Mercy Seat up there Sprinkled with His Shed Blood on top of it ......that Shed Blood and your Faith in that Blood ALONE had been the “ Ticket” all along .....NOT your Pitiful attempts to put on a “perfect” Performance! The song you sang a thousand times and never meant for a second, had the Precious, Saving Truth In it all along and you fell for Satan’s lie —-” Knowing right from Wrong will make you like God”........ You never “knew”God and He NEVER KNEW YOU! He will tell you that to your horrified face......right before He sends you to Hell.
Merry Christmas one and all!