What is this kingdom?

[theefaith]

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God,

Matt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

what is this very knowable visible And permanent kingdom?

 

[101G]

the Kingdom of God is Spiritual, "within us" those who accept Christ. THE HOLY GHOST.

the Kingdom of Heaven is to come. as said, that, very knowable visible And permanent kingdom? Hebrews 11:14, Hebrews 11:10

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[DNB]

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God,

Matt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

what is this very knowable visible And permanent kingdom?

You're going to have to wait until the 2nd coming of Christ, in order to find out. For, currently, it has not been inaugurated, and its subjects cannot be delineated by any means of outward perception. One thing for sure will come to pass, is that many popes will not be permitted within its gates.

 

[theefaith]

the Kingdom of God is Spiritual, "within us" those who accept Christ. THE HOLY GHOST.

the Kingdom of Heaven is to come. as said, that, very knowable visible And permanent kingdom? Hebrews 11:14, Hebrews 11:10

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

it has spiritual aspects but it is visible and knowable
Matt 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
(The church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors!)

kingdom came 2000 yrs ago
Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

matt 16:19 Peter received the keys of the kingdom

 

[theefaith]

You're going to have to wait until the 2nd coming of Christ, in order to find out. For, currently, it has not been inaugurated, and its subjects cannot be delineated by any means of outward perception. One thing for sure will come to pass, is that many popes will not be permitted within its gates.

see #4

 

[101G]

it has spiritual aspects but it is visible and knowable
Matt 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
(The church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors!)

kingdom came 2000 yrs ago
Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

matt 16:19 Peter received the keys of the kingdom

the Kingdom of God came on the day of Pentecoast, which is the Holy Spirit. supportive scripture, Romans 14:17 "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."

for the Kingdom of God is within us, scripture, Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

and the Holy Ghost was not given until Pentecost, John 7:38 "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water."John 7:39 "(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"

and as for the visible Kingdom, which is separate fom the KOG, supportive scriptures, 2 Timothy 4:18 "And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."
unto his heavenly Kingdom. this is not speaking of the KOG, because the apostle Paul already had the Spirit, which preserve him, as well as us. scripture, Ephesians 1:13 "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," and seal here is another word for preserve. Paul had the KOG within, so he the Holy Ghost, (the KOG, within, sealed , and or preserve the apostle), .... UNTIL "his heavenly kingdom". which is the city built not by human hands but by GOD whom all who believe look for. Hebrews 11:8 "By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went." Hebrews 11:9 "By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: "Hebrews 11:10 "For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God."

the KOG is not visible for it is within, and the KOH is without, and is visible.

unless you have some other Kingdom that we look for please post it.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[theefaith]

The church is the kingdom of God on earth both spiritual and the grace within but also the household of faith!

 

[101G]

The church is the kingdom of God on earth both spiritual and the grace within but also the household of faith!

first, thanks for the reply, second, The church is the hands and feet of God to "DO" his work, for the the Spirit is manifested through his, his, his, body the church. scripture, John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."John 14:13 "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."John 14:14 "If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[theefaith]

the Kingdom of God is Spiritual, "within us" those who accept Christ. THE HOLY GHOST.

the Kingdom of Heaven is to come. as said, that, very knowable visible And permanent kingdom? Hebrews 11:14, Hebrews 11:10

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

accept Christ? You mean baptism of course

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

 

[theefaith]

You're going to have to wait until the 2nd coming of Christ, in order to find out. For, currently, it has not been inaugurated, and its subjects cannot be delineated by any means of outward perception. One thing for sure will come to pass, is that many popes will not be permitted within its gates.

but they have the keys???

 

[101G]

accept Christ? You mean baptism of course

Believe and is Baptized.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[DNB]

but they have the keys???

Show me!

 

[theefaith]

Show me!

matt 16:18-19

 

[DNB]

matt 16:18-19

I meant in their hand.

 

[Base12]

the Kingdom of God is Spiritual, "within us" those who accept Christ. THE HOLY GHOST.
the Kingdom of Heaven is to come.

Are you suggesting that Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Heaven are two different things?

Jesus uses them interchangeably...

Matthew 19:23
"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven."

Matthew 19:24
"And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

They are obviously the same thing.

BTW...

The Kingdom of God is not just the Holy Ghost, but the Microcosm Temple (Third Heaven) it resides in...

1 Corinthians 6:19
"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"

Currently, the Kingdom of Heaven has leaven in it...

Matthew 13:33
"Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened."

We all know what leaven is.

Yeah that's right. You folks all better meditate on what Jesus is teaching there. It is extremely profound.

Don't you even try and tell me that it means something good in the above verse.

So guess what this means? There are *TWO* Kingdoms. The current one that is corrupt, and the one that is coming. The one that is coming is a re-created Kingdom as in New Heavens and New Earth.

Again, the current Kingdom has some issues to be resolved...

Matthew 11:12
"And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force."

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all.

Are you suggesting that Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Heaven are two different things?

Jesus uses them interchangeably...

Matthew 19:23
"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven."

Matthew 19:24
"And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

They are obviously the same thing.

BTW...

The Kingdom of God is not just the Holy Ghost, but the Microcosm Temple (Third Heaven) it resides in...

1 Corinthians 6:19
"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?"

Currently, the Kingdom of Heaven has leaven in it...

Matthew 13:33
"Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened."

We all know what leaven is.

Yeah that's right. You folks all better meditate on what Jesus is teaching there. It is extremely profound.

Don't you even try and tell me that it means something good in the above verse.

So guess what this means? There are *TWO* Kingdoms. The current one that is corrupt, and the one that is coming. The one that is coming is a re-created Kingdom as in New Heavens and New Earth.

Again, the current Kingdom has some issues to be resolved...

Matthew 11:12
"And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force."

Thanks for the reply, second, read post #6 again carefully. and if you still have any question, then we can discuss.
thanks.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Timothy 4:18 "And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Preserved blameless...but you are of His body, hopefully I am of His body, many are of His body. The body (His body)preserved blameless...in all together which is His house built up ...hands, eyes, ears, feet with Him as the Head of the body which is blameless in the bond of Love.

Which body is preserved blameless His ‘household, Family of God’ ...or our idea of body which can be a pretty lonely solitary existence?

Ephesians 1:13 "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," and seal here is another word for preserve

2 Timothy 2:18-19 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. (Whose faith is in the flesh because nothing can overthrow nor prevail against the foundation of Christ) [19] Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

"Hebrews 11:10 "For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God."

“Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his.”
1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

the Kingdom of God came on the day of Pentecoast, which is the Holy Spirit. supportive scripture, Romans 14:17 "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost."

for the Kingdom of God is within us, scripture, Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

and the Holy Ghost was not given until Pentecost, John 7:38 "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water."John 7:39 "(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"

and as for the visible Kingdom, which is separate fom the KOG, supportive scriptures, 2 Timothy 4:18 "And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."
unto his heavenly Kingdom. this is not speaking of the KOG, because the apostle Paul already had the Spirit, which preserve him, as well as us. scripture, Ephesians 1:13 "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," and seal here is another word for preserve. Paul had the KOG within, so he the Holy Ghost, (the KOG, within, sealed , and or preserve the apostle), .... UNTIL "his heavenly kingdom". which is the city built not by human hands but by GOD whom all who believe look for. Hebrews 11:8 "By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went." Hebrews 11:9 "By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: "Hebrews 11:10 "For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God."

the KOG is not visible for it is within, and the KOH is without, and is visible.

unless you have some other Kingdom that we look for please post it.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

really struggling here with that which is within and that which is without. Not suggesting you are wrong just because I don’t see it...but how or why do you say the kingdom of God is within and the kingdom of heaven is without? Doesn't that make two separate kingdoms expected instead of one? Like I said ...these are only questions because I don’t understand.

1)thy kingdom come ...which kingdom come: the kingdom of God or the kingdom of heaven?

2) a new heaven and new earth ...how does this fit with the kingdom of God is different than the kingdom of heaven.

3) Matthew 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Which kingdom is at hand ...the kingdom of God which is within(not disputing this), or the kingdom of God which is without. (Maybe this is the one I’m struggling with because ...in saying His kingdom is not visible...is the fruit of the spirit not visible?). the without...He said that which is without does not enter into the kingdom..again which kingdom? To be born again to enter in: which kingdom must one be born to enter into: the kingdom of God or the kingdom of heaven?

 

[theefaith]

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Preserved blameless...but you are of His body, hopefully I am of His body, many are of His body. The body (His body)preserved blameless...in all together which is His house built up ...hands, eyes, ears, feet with Him as the Head of the body which is blameless in the bond of Love.

Which body is preserved blameless His ‘household, Family of God’ ...or our idea of body which can be a pretty lonely solitary existence?






2 Timothy 2:18-19 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. (Whose faith is in the flesh because nothing can overthrow nor prevail against the foundation of Christ) [19] Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.




“Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his.”
1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.





really struggling here with that which is within and that which is without. Not suggesting you are wrong just because I don’t see it...but how or why do you say the kingdom of God is within and the kingdom of heaven is without? Doesn't that make two separate kingdoms expected instead of one? Like I said ...these are only questions because I don’t understand.

1)thy kingdom come ...which kingdom come: the kingdom of God or the kingdom of heaven?

2) a new heaven and new earth ...how does this fit with the kingdom of God is different than the kingdom of heaven.

3) Matthew 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Which kingdom is at hand ...the kingdom of God which is within(not disputing this), or the kingdom of God which is without. (Maybe this is the one I’m struggling with because ...in saying His kingdom is not visible...is the fruit of the spirit not visible?). the without...He said that which is without does not enter into the kingdom..again which kingdom? To be born again to enter in: which kingdom must one be born to enter into: the kingdom of God or the kingdom of heaven?

only God if you are baptized into the ark of salvation the one true church and abide until death

mk 16:16

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Jn 15:1
matt 24:13

 

[quietthinker]

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God,

Matt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

what is this very knowable visible And permanent kingdom?

where death will no longer exist as per revelation 21:4

 

[theefaith]

The king cesar of Rome must still be in existence