Joseph Prince?
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ByGraceThroughFaith
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Yes, I have heard of Joseph Prince and checked him out. He is a FALSE TEACHER, so kindly avoid his sermons. False teaching can be either blatant or subtle. Know what you believe from Scripture.
CoreIssue
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From the link:
I don't know much of anything at all about Joseph Prince. But this is an interesting objection to his teaching, considering,
2 Corinthians 3:5-7 KJV
5) Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6) Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7) But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
He's not the only one to say the 10 commandments kill. God says it also.
There's another place but I'm not remembering it right now.
Apparently the writer hasn't discoved this yet. When you walk in the Spirit, living in God's grace, then you don't do the works of the flesh. And you don't think with the mind of the flesh.
Much love!
quietthinker
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I have not heard of him hishandmaiden.
The videos however in the link below are very insightful and encouraging
For God's Sake – Ian Hartleyhttp://ian-greyhartley.com
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ByGraceThroughFaith
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which God? Apart from the Commandment on the Sabbath Day, which in the NT is The Day of the Lord, Sunday, when Jesus Rose from the Dead. Name one of the 9 that are not relevant today, and not be obeyed?
The God of the Bible, Who inspired Paul to write,
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious,
Those commandments, written in stone, ministered death.
If you love God and love others, you will be doing more than the commandments require. If you do not love God and do not love others, your perfunctory keeping of the commandments will be meaningless.
The commandment condemns because we do not perfectly keep it.
Relevant? All things of loving others are relevant.
Here's one example. The Commandment is to not steal. We can call that God's Standard for us, but is it really? The NT teaches us not only to not steal, but to do extra work so we have things to give to those in need. It teaches us to count other people's needs as more important to us than our own.
The Commandment tells us that if there is only one sandwich and we are both hungry, and it's his sandwich, don't steal it, and don't covet it.
Love moves us to be happy when he has some food, and if he doesn't, give him our own, in happiness to be feeding someone who is hungry, even if we ourselves are hungry.
Much love!
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There is always a consequence to sin. I'm not versed on Joseph Prince's teaching, and I cannot answer for him.
One consequence that will always be is that any time spent in the works of the flesh is gone, lost, and there is no fruit to eternal life in sin. It simply takes us the wrong direction. And it just gets worse from there.
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Behold
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You accused him of being false, but offer no proof?
That makes you dishonet.
You have to prove an accusation, against a Brother in Christ, according to the New Testament that you can't understand, and never will.
You proved nothing, except you are willing to accuse, with no proof.
That makes you dishonest proven by your deed.
Ive heard all the TV preachers, and he has a good knowledge of The Grace of God, and the fundamentals of the Faith, as presented as "justification by faith".
See, without this, nothing else matters that you teach.
You have to have an understanding of the Grace of God, as your faith cornerstone.
He has that.
A few on TV have this... as well.
Not all, however.
I was not asked to offer proof. You can read or listen to what he has to say and compare it with Scripture. But it is very subtle.
Behold
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I have listened.
He teaches the Cross of Christ as God's redemption.
This is offensive to those who are trying to work their way to heaven.
It should be.
The Cross is an offense to Legalist, because it does not allow them any credit that they crave, as they try to earn salvation.
But he omits repentance for the remission of sins. So how is that the true Gospel? We could go into a lot more detail with quotations from his sermons to show his false teachings. So if you think you know so much about the Gospel why don't you quote him and show the difference between Gospel truth and Prince's lies? Why are you defending a false teacher?
Behold
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No he does not.
He rejects the theology that you have to confess sin, so that God will keep saving you, as if you are lost, then saved, lost then saved, every time you sin......you are lost, then you confess, and God saves you again.
See that "yo-yo" heresy?
So, what JP teaches is Romans 4:8.
God does not charge the born again with their sin.
Why?
Because Jesus has died for them all , already.
You dont believe He has, and that is why you can't relate to or understand the Grace of God.
You are trying to save yourself, and you do not believe that Christ Keeps you saved.
So, when you hear this truth, you are offended, because you do not look to the Cross for your Salvation, you look to yourself, and your works and your repenting, as if God is going to accept that.
Listen.....He never will.
Michiah-Imla
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It’s an offense to the circumcisionist, not “legalists”.
“And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.” (Galatians 5:11)
Paul never told Christians to ignore the morals in the law.
Behold
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Neither did i.
What Paul said, is that trying to be accepted by God based on your works, or keeping the law, or commandments, is "DUNG". (Garbage) is a nicer way of putting it.
Philippians 3:8
That is how severely Paul defines what your LEGALISM is all about.
See, when a person is trying to get to heaven, by moral lifestyle, then they are pitting themselves, against Christ's Holiness, as if they can compare to it.
See that?
That is "dung". That is pride filled garbage.
Michiah-Imla
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Who are these “legalists” who trying to do this?
The way salvation is obtained is by repentance and faith in the gospel by which sins up until that point are forgiven without question.
But where you err is in thinking that all sins committed in willful disobedience after conversion are forgiven.
You “liberalists” leave out obedience to Christ and his apostles and the consequences of such behavior as taught in the holy scriptures.
Behold
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How to spot a legalist.
here is how you spot them.
Ask them...>"do you believe you can lose your salvation".
If they say...."YES", then you have found a deceived Legalist, who might be a Christian, or might be a water baptized, never born again, religious fakir.
Go to his website and see for yourself. Enough of your defending a false teacher.
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