Work is the Evidence of Faith: No Work, No Faith

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robert derrick

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I'm sorry, but you are way beyond mixed up, impossible to reason with and you also appear to be suffering from a severe case of self righteousness and contempt for others.
True.

It is become impossible for any self-confessed unrighteous christian sinner, to convince me that spending a night in drunken fornication is not necessarily of the devil, unless it is done twice or thrice, in like a month?

And so, we are in full agreement. There is no sense in trying to correct that. Not just here, but anywhere else as well.
 

robert derrick

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What sort of "works" exactly?
Beginning with the first works: purifying and keeping our hearts from unrighteous thinking and vain imagination for sinning.

These are the 1st works Jesus sees within, which are also seen outwardly by not unrighteously sinning with the devil against God.

Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
 

robert derrick

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Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit.

Faith is the seed planted only. Obedience to the faith is the seed taking root.

Until we obey Him, the Son does not shine upon the ground, nor the Spirit rain down, that the seed my take root and grow thereby.

And if the root be holy, then so are all the branches, not just some of them.
 

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Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit.

Faith is the seed planted only. Obedience to the faith is the seed taking root.

Until we obey Him, the Son does not shine upon the ground, nor the Spirit rain down, that the seed my take root and grow thereby.

And if the root be holy, then so are all the branches, not just some of them.
The seed is the word of God. (Luke 8:11)
 

robert derrick

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The seed is the word of God. (Luke 8:11)
And faith is by hearing, which is the planted word. Once the word is heard, the seed is sown, whether the soul likes it or not.

Those who hate the word, have the seed taken immediately, but those convicted and agreeing with the word, have the seed planted. Until the seed of Christ is obeyed, there is no sun of Christ shining, nor rain of the Spirit upon the ground to take root and grow.

Faith without works is dead seed planted only, not taking root.

Salvation before, separate, and independently apart from works by faith only, leads to the devilish doctrine of them that justify a night of drunken fornication among the sons of God, so long as it doesn't become a 'habit'.

As I said, there is no correction for something like that, just out of hand condemnation and dismissal from the churches of God.
 

Jim B

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And faith is by hearing, which is the planted word. Once the word is heard, the seed is sown, whether the soul likes it or not.

Those who hate the word, have the seed taken immediately, but those convicted and agreeing with the word, have the seed planted. Until the seed of Christ is obeyed, there is no sun of Christ shining, nor rain of the Spirit upon the ground to take root and grow.

Faith without works is dead seed planted only, not taking root.

Salvation before, separate, and independently apart from works by faith only, leads to the devilish doctrine of them that justify a night of drunken fornication among the sons of God, so long as it doesn't become a 'habit'.

As I said, there is no correction for something like that, just out of hand condemnation and dismissal from the churches of God.

"The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" Chicken Little
 

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And faith is by hearing, which is the planted word. Once the word is heard, the seed is sown, whether the soul likes it or not.

Those who hate the word, have the seed taken immediately, but those convicted and agreeing with the word, have the seed planted. Until the seed of Christ is obeyed, there is no sun of Christ shining, nor rain of the Spirit upon the ground to take root and grow.

Faith without works is dead seed planted only, not taking root.

Salvation before, separate, and independently apart from works by faith only, leads to the devilish doctrine of them that justify a night of drunken fornication among the sons of God, so long as it doesn't become a 'habit'.

As I said, there is no correction for something like that, just out of hand condemnation and dismissal from the churches of God.
Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 10:17) and the planted seed is the word of God. (Luke 8:11) Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. (Luke 8:12) But the ones that fell on the good ground are those who, having heard the word with a noble and good heart, keep it and bear fruit with patience. (Luke 8:15) A shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit, lacks moisture and withers away does not represent saving faith. (Matthew 13:20-21; Mark 4:5-6; Luke 8:6)

Faith without works is dead does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith or that works are the source of life in faith. That's like saying a tree is dead until it produces fruit and then it becomes a living tree and the fruit is the source of life in the tree. James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works demonstrates that it's dead. If someone merely says-claims they have faith, but lack resulting evidential works, then they demonstrate that they have an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith. (James 2:14) So 'faith only' per James is a bare profession of faith. Hence, the 'only.' Not to be confused with faith that trusts in Christ alone for salvation.

Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. This is faith that trusts in Christ alone for salvation.
 

Robert Gwin

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Yeah, I get annoyed when people don't agree with me either.

But I don't just write it off as mockery of the gospel, unless I show Scripture to correct it.

Otherwise, I must be willing to be corrected.

And what really annoys me, is when I see someone cannot be corrected, but rather just go on with their own mantra.

But, that is when Paul says to just move on after the first or second admonition of Scripture.

We definitely agree on this Rob, and likely you would agree that capability factors into the equation as well.