NATO is a dead corpse, and it is not Trump's fault

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Trump was correct to call it obsolete, only the US was carrying the cost of NATO, the others never spent the required funds.

The postmortem analysis

 

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NATO Is Now Dead​

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Key Points - NATO, in its current form, is depicted as a "corpse," its strategic effectiveness undermined by decades of European defense underfunding ("free-riding") and US strategic overstretch.

-Most member states fail to meet spending commitments, rendering the alliance a hollow shell, a reality starkly exposed by the war in Ukraine where the US carries the primary burden.


-President Trump's approach is seen not as the cause of NATO's decline but as a catalyst for a necessary reckoning, forcing Europe to confront its defense responsibilities.

-A fundamental reset towards a European-led security framework, with US support rather than dominance, is essential for future relevance.

The Fall of NATO​

NATO is a corpse. All that remains is the grotesque performance art of a diplomatic zombie stumbling from summit to summit, mouthing tired clichés about “shared values” and “burden sharing,” even as its core strategic logic lies rotting beneath the surface. The Atlantic Alliance, once the steel scaffolding of Western security, has become a hollow ritual. Its military readiness is an illusion. Its political cohesion is fraying. Its future, if it has one, lies not in revival—but in reinvention or replacement.
 

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Key Points - NATO, in its current form, is depicted as a "corpse," its strategic effectiveness undermined by decades of European defense underfunding ("free-riding") and US strategic overstretch.

-Most member states fail to meet spending commitments, rendering the alliance a hollow shell, a reality starkly exposed by the war in Ukraine where the US carries the primary burden.


-President Trump's approach is seen not as the cause of NATO's decline but as a catalyst for a necessary reckoning, forcing Europe to confront its defense responsibilities.

-A fundamental reset towards a European-led security framework, with US support rather than dominance, is essential for future relevance.

The Fall of NATO​

NATO is a corpse. All that remains is the grotesque performance art of a diplomatic zombie stumbling from summit to summit, mouthing tired clichés about “shared values” and “burden sharing,” even as its core strategic logic lies rotting beneath the surface. The Atlantic Alliance, once the steel scaffolding of Western security, has become a hollow ritual. Its military readiness is an illusion. Its political cohesion is fraying. Its future, if it has one, lies not in revival—but in reinvention or replacement.

If correct, America should be very concerned.
How will America face a Russian dominated Europe and a China dominated far east?
 

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NATO Is Now Dead​

Story by Andrew Latham
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Key Points - NATO, in its current form, is depicted as a "corpse," its strategic effectiveness undermined by decades of European defense underfunding ("free-riding") and US strategic overstretch.

-Most member states fail to meet spending commitments, rendering the alliance a hollow shell, a reality starkly exposed by the war in Ukraine where the US carries the primary burden.


-President Trump's approach is seen not as the cause of NATO's decline but as a catalyst for a necessary reckoning, forcing Europe to confront its defense responsibilities.

-A fundamental reset towards a European-led security framework, with US support rather than dominance, is essential for future relevance.

The Fall of NATO​

NATO is a corpse. All that remains is the grotesque performance art of a diplomatic zombie stumbling from summit to summit, mouthing tired clichés about “shared values” and “burden sharing,” even as its core strategic logic lies rotting beneath the surface. The Atlantic Alliance, once the steel scaffolding of Western security, has become a hollow ritual. Its military readiness is an illusion. Its political cohesion is fraying. Its future, if it has one, lies not in revival—but in reinvention or replacement.
NATO is corrupt as Hell !
 
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Hmm, I think Europe and the UK should be a lot more worried than the USA.
they are worried, worried about having to find the means to pay for a realistic defence budget, worried that if putin decides to go for europe whether America will help.
 

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they are worried, worried about having to find the means to pay for a realistic defence budget, worried that if putin decides to go for europe whether America will help.
4 major power theatres-spheres of power are manifesting, in descending order.
North America, mostly the USA
Asia, mostly China
Europe includes UK and Russia
Middle East

Only China and US command global power today as superpowers.

Yeah, I don't know. But the regular everyday people here in the US are not too interested in European politics and affairs.

For decades we in the US have carried the burden of the free world interests of other countries, and tired of it.
Foreign entanglements are like binding bonds tied up with ropes. That is how world wars grow.
I am not even sure we would go to any kind of war with China if they invaded Taiwan.

Since NATO is obsolete, it needs to be abandoned and reworked. You do know the US today is even more so looking out for it's own interests.

It was good to get the UK into a major trade deal, the US has more of an interest there than in European continent.

I also think world war is never going to happen again. Just regional wars.
 
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they are worried, worried about having to find the means to pay for a realistic defence budget, worried that if putin decides to go for europe whether America will help.
Only a child would think that Putin would want to take on West Europe !

Putin has no intrest at all in a War with the West, the Socialist dominating over the West, are so full of nothing but full on stupid idiot lies !

The Issue is with regards Ukraine is dominated over by Crimanals, who clearly have no regard for the People of Ukraine in fact ! as they have clearly only shafterd them in fact !

Putin only wants to safe guard Russia in fact and East borders of Ukraine can be sorted out with them people having the right to Vote in fact !
Russia does not even want Ukraine in fact, or it would of took it over. The Socialist West claim Russia is is a full scail invasion of Ukraine. That's clearly an outright Lie ! Just like all of the other stupid idiot claims the West has said, Russia has no more weapons etc etc, they ran out years ago ? Oh NK are giving them such, yes but Russia can make such and do !

The only thing to do is let Russia and Ukraine let east Ukraine Vote ! but if that was done, Russia will clearly Win ! Just as it would of at the start of all of this, But the UN etc are so corrupt that they were willing to reject the People of East boarder Ukraine will ! and it's they who subjected them to this War in fact ! clearly out of Malice and outright greed !

The West will only bring WW3 on it's self, I think that is the Socialist Plan ! It has to be, because no one could be so stupid !

the West can not look after it's own People now in fact in peace time, how will they fair under a WW3 most people will starve to death so easy ! I think that is what they want in fact !

I think that most people think WW3 will be like WW2 just child play ! but even if it was, could todays generation handle living like people did in the 1940's I think not at all in fact !

People have to wake up ! and stop suporting such childish stupid War mongering ! It's not needed at all ! Just good diplomatic relations can deal with anything !
 
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The US is preparing to enter discussions about withdrawing troops from Europe, according to its ambassador to Nato.

Matthew Whitaker said proposals to remove tens of thousands of troops from the continent would be discussed “later in the year”.

Donald Trump has repeatedly admonished Nato countries for failing to meet the defence spending goal of at least 2 per cent of GDP, arguing that the disparity places an unfair burden on the United States.


Asked to comment on a report that Mr Trump is considering withdrawing troops from Europe, Mr Whitaker said “nothing has been determined” but said that allies were ready to have the discussion.

“But as soon as we do, we are going to have these conversations in the structure of Nato,” said Mr Whitaker.

“It will be certainly after the summit, sometime later in the year, we are going to start those conversations... All our allies are ready to do it,” he added, referring to the Nato summit in The Hague in June.

Withdraw troops from Germany​

In March, The Telegraph revealed that the US president was weighing up withdrawing some 35,000 active personnel out of Germany. Around 160,000 active-duty personnel are stationed outside of the United States, a vast quantity of whom are in the country.

Mr Trump was said to be considering repositioning some troops in Europe to be closer to the Nato countries which have upped their defence spending to meet targets.


The withdrawal is thought to be part of plans by the administration to redraw Nato engagement in a way that favours member countries with higher defence spending.

European fears about the US commitment to Nato have been growing for some time.

Pete Hegseth, the defence secretary, told Nato allies in February that “stark strategic realities prevent the United States of America from being primarily focused on the security of Europe”.

During his first term, Mr Trump ordered the withdrawal of almost 12,000 troops from Germany, where the US had several major military facilities including Ramstein Air Base, the headquarters for US European Command.

But the move was halted by Joe Biden amid widespread criticism from Congress.

Earlier this year, The Atlantic reported in March that Mr Hegseth and JD Vance, the vice-president, had complained about European allies in a chat group. Mr Hegseth expressed his “loathing of European free-loading”, according to the Atlantic.


Such comments have fuelled anxiety about the commitment to Nato, along with Trump’s threats not to protect members that spend too little on defence, and his reluctance to keep supporting Ukraine’s fight against Russia’s invasion.
 

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Putin only wants to safe guard Russia

So he attacks another independent country.
Historically Russia has always wanted access to an ice free port and a trade rout that is not controlled by another country.
Putin knows Russian history and will have the same economic drive.

If Russia and china represent no threat to the west, whether that's Europe or America, why does America have an armed force?
 

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So he attacks another independent country.
Historically Russia has always wanted access to an ice free port and a trade rout that is not controlled by another country.
Putin knows Russian history and will have the same economic drive.

If Russia and china represent no threat to the west, whether that's Europe or America, why does America have an armed force?
I think you answered your own question, as in we have an effective powerful military
 

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So your earlier reply to me is nonsense.

What reply?

Why would the US be worried at all?
Believe me when I say, no one here is worried about Russia or China doing anything militarily to our country,

What worries me are defense agreements and treaties causing us to have to come to your defense after these other countries posturizing and provoking. Frankly it is tiresome your wars of words, speaking of Europe and the UK. Politician's talk is cheap.
 
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So he attacks another independent country.
Historically Russia has always wanted access to an ice free port and a trade rout that is not controlled by another country.
Putin knows Russian history and will have the same economic drive.

If Russia and china represent no threat to the west, whether that's Europe or America, why does America have an armed force?
Putin was forced to enter the War in fact ! History proves this fact.

All that was needed was the right for them people in the East Ukraine boarder to have the right to Vote in fact ! but that was stolen from them in fact !

If they had the right to Vote, all would be good in fact, no one killed no damage to peoples homes etc etc in fact ! period !

Anyone who Suports Zelensky wanted to force Putins hand, so as to have to enter this War ! They did it, They brought it one in fact ! Number one was Joe Biden who bushed like Hell to force Putins hand in fact !

They wanted War ! not the Russian People or Putin in fact ! it was not the will of the Ukraine People who created it all, but for greed driven Socialist political ends and big fat cats who clearly have no regards for any Person's Life or limb or Homes etc in fact !

Yet the World could not give a rat's in fact ! for the liveds of people are worth 2 cents ? The thing is that such deals could come knocking at your own door ! if this type of game play is let to run free ! One sided nonsense propaganda BS that most people just swallow, like total fools, sitting in their home all safe and sound ? It's not them who have to deal with the insanity ! but do they truly care less ? No ! Truly they don't in fact ! The MSM is their god.

Trump is totaly correct, stop the killing ! but the MSM they only want killing as does every Socialist Government in the world ! for they are clearly willing to undermine their own Nations people economy's at the drop of a hat !

What ever the Media want they get, just like Nam, the Media wanted to have people spit on people coming home and all, because the Media controled and dominated the peoples views ! they were pathetic and got away with such. It was not the people who served fault at all, but the Media that were outright criminal cunning bastards !
Were the Media interested in the Truth ? No ! They had their own agenda ! and how do they treat people ? no it's all just a Game to them.
So much more could of been exposed but look at the way they went about it all, hiding much evil and playing games with others.

What about Band Aid ! HAHA ! The Media was totaly corrupt Evil as Hell ! They got the good negro christians killed wiped out the whole Tribe in fact ! they gave your foolish donated money to the ones clearly so as to kill the good Tribe in fact ! Good old Bob G what a hero ! truly a outright Satanist ! He clearly knew where the money was going but did not give a rats ! People knew in my town knew what the money was going to and warned before hand, not to trust druged up idiot fool Bob ! and the Media kept a lid on all such being exposed befor hand and after, but the truth came out in the end years after and 60 min show exposed the truth.
 

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Really that is a distorted view of history as corrupt as Putins view of history.
For a more un biased view try:-https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0q964851po
You do not understand do you.
The UK Government games clearly could not give a rats about the people of Ukraine ! it's only about Oli Gas and the Money !

I have talked to people from Ukraine, who truly know what is going on.

Be very carful or you may end up getting nuked ! seriously. It's not your back yard ! and if it was your back yard, as History proves the UK would not let anyone mess around with them.
That's been proven. your lot have been bastards to the Irish bring hell on to them and Scotts and the Welsh.
Now your Political lot are bastardising the whole of the UK with Islamic bastards, who are let to be Lording it over you !
Your being undermined and believe the people who only want to enslave the people of the UK !
You have not a handle on what is going on in the UK let alone Ukraine.

I am saying they do not need War ! They need diplomatic skills to deal with the issue. not just happy to be murdering people and for what ! Nothing ! They are being Killed for nothing ! It's outright stupid !

Russia is not going away ! Russia wanted to do deals all the way in fact, but for the Mob who only want War, Money and Oil and Gas etc, in fact !

Russia is not going away ! it's within it's rights and within the questioned Lands 80% of the people support to join and become part of Russia. with a Vote ! not lives

Russia wanted to clear it up with the peoples rights to Vote and the rest all only wanted War ! over joyed with a killing and distruction.

I say be carfull of such people who love to sacrfice people.

Ukraines Leadership did the wrong thing in fact, he was not Voted in to push for that at all in fact but with Joe Bide on their side they thought they can not loose. Well they have Lost in fact ! Ukraine has Lost it's majority of healthy Men sacreficed, so now what do Familys have for a future now ? Is it Ukraine anymore ? No ! Arabs an Africans etc are set to take over bring children up becoming their new dadys. Not that this Satanic world gould give a rats that the Ukraine culture died.

Not to mention that Zelensky is a Talmud Jew ! he clearly has no Grace in fact ! He calles Ukraine Big Israel in fact ! and the State of Israel Little Israel. what a jerk !

If all of Ukraine was alowed to Vote, Zelensky would be lucky to get 10% for sure, he is not loved by Ukraine People at all, he is only loved by the MSM and Socialist Governments in fact !
 

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The UK Government games clearly could not give a rats about the people of Ukraine ! it's only about Oli Gas and the Money !
And Trumps view is any better?
Russia wanted to do deals all the way
Yet you ignore the evidence that Putin started this war, and has repeatedly violated any truces.
Russia wanted to clear it up with the peoples rights to Vote
Now this is rich, a one party state wants elections in a country it is attacking, where large parts of the population have fled!
A case of the 'pot calling the kettle black'.
Not to mention that Zelensky is a Talmud Jew !
Then why mention it? What relevance does his ethic background have?
Russia is not going away ! it's within it's rights and within the questioned Lands 80% of the people support to join and become part of Russia. with a Vote ! not lives
Yet Zelensky won a landslide election on the bases of defending Ukraine from Russian aggression.

You sat Russia has the right to reclaim land that was once its?

Does that mean you support other countries claim to land that was once theres?
Look at Chinas claim to land, At Islamic countries claim to land that was once theres.
Where would you say such claims stop?
 

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Land claims ?
I seen maps of Germany and Italy say ? now from year to year it look as tho the boundrys moved about so much in their History. I was surprised about how much so they once did !

Maybe I said Germany had a right to have back Land that was stolen by cunning after WW1. At least the Germans were of that opinion.

Islam clearly wants Israel back.

I am mainly Danish blood, so maybe I wany the top end of Germany and all of Sweeden and Norway and East Poland and up ? But No !
But the reality of Boarder changes are not solid in regards Ukraine and Russia at all, best is, best to deal with such issues, so as not to cause Wars in fact, nor a path that will start another down the track ?

The Issue came about by Ukraine being a moron in regards Russia in fact ! Like who would do such a thing is a retard !

You think that such is so simple, but you clearly have no regards the two Nations !
The Issue is not regards the Ukraine people at all, it's the Puppet Government who clearly has no regards the People in fact !

A right to Vote is all that was needed in the East Boarders in fact ! seriously !
But Ukraine was only 20% and 80% to wanting Russian ! That is all that was needed in fact !

But who wanted blood and the distruction ? Fat Cats ! not the People of Ukraine at all but for Nazis and brainwashed dupes of outright evil people like G Soros etc. Such are clearly Talmud in their acts Bud ! as is Zelensky of the same Ilk ! a Killer and a filth monger, it's typical trait of such people, that's why bud. they have been causing only trouble for many years, I have seen over 20 years of Nazis backed by G Soros etc playing Ukraine people for fools !

Within Ukraine bud, it was Ukraine Government who was killing it's own people in Ukraine, most people in the East of Ukraine are Russian blood fool ! you clearly do not have a clue what you are on about bud.

Trumps view is like mine, stop the killing ! For it's stupid !

Putin did not strart the War at all in fact, It entered it ! why ? because Joe Biden forced Putin's hand in fact !

Russia does not want Ukraine, it wanted stability on it's Boarder ! and No one is taking over their number one Militaty Base ! of someone is going to be Nuked ! they have said so from the 60's but your whore MSM do not inform you of so many real serious things do they ! maybe you do not give a rats for anyones lives and I am sure you don't care less in fact ! for if you did you should be for stoping War and not feeding it ! The reality is Ukraine is shafted and the People are being shafted by who ? the Talmud whore ! that leads the whole world astray !

Zelensky did not Win the election to bring this on at all, he is a no body just a Puppet for a whore ! Bring on an election and see if he can get 10% to vote for the Dictating bastard ! he is a mass murderer, typical of the Talmud ! Their is no opposition Partys bud, he kicked tossed such out, no one is alowed an opinion, he is outright racist to Russians, banded speaking Russian etc etc, he is a outright nut case !
I feer we never get such a one like that in my Country ! but we have had nothing but tratiors running Australia from 1972 selling us out !

A Nation like the USA is in so much Debt ? that's insane criminal and stupid as, same with Australia, clearly total Morons ! so much potential and were like drug up good for nothing brats at the wheel. no wonder the crime is out of control.

And you know what Arabs are pissing themselves laughing at how pathetic the West is ! they have told me .

We have been lead down the garden path bud. Gays are Idolised, child sacrfice is Idolised, Child sexual abuse in schools messing them up big time. and they are selling out our Nations in fact ! and you are peddling this Border issues as god.
The real deal is how is the People of Ukraine going to fair ? nothing good will come out of this War at all ! and I knew it right from the start. but you demand more to be Killed in fact ! do you windmill ? can't even see what your Talmud god is doing to Children in your own Nation as well ? turn a blind eye to that as well ?