The "Obama" Antichrist Dreams, Part 1

The Light · Friday at 3:13 PM

Ronald D Milam said:
You are saying nothing that anyone can understand as anything but conflated errors, I AM TELLING YOU WHEN IT COMES, and what IMMEDIAATLY AFTER the tribulation means, it never means after it ends but after it ARRIVES, therefore you get everything wrong because you seemingly think it means after it ENDS instead of after the tribulation STRTS !!

So let me get this straight. No one can understand me because I am saying that immediately after the tribulation means the tribulation ends and I am wrong. You claim that immediately after the tribulation means that the tribulation STARTS. Is this some kind of code that I am missing.

Do you change the meaning and because of that, you can't understand what I am saying?

Just read what the Word says and stop changing the meaning of Word and injecting your codes into the Word of God.

Ronald D Milam said:
Therefore you have n shot at ever understanding that verse 29 is what is IMMEDIATELLY AFTER the troubles start the Sun and Moon goes dark because of the SMOKE from the 1/ Trees on FIRE because of an Asteroid breaking apart BEFORE it hits n Trump #2.,The SUN and MOON dims because of the trees on fire because of an incoming Asteroid.

I know what IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation means. And it does not mean that the tribulation starts.

You have spent 40 years confusing yourself because you refuse to accept what is written. You need to forget everything that you think you know about end times and start fresh with no codes, no word meaning changes and no secret sauce surprises. Just read what it says.

Ronald D Milam said:
Verse 30 therefore happens NOT IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS, but 1260 days after the tribulation begins. You can't even understand that I am TELLING YOU WHAT IT MEANS, you think I am telling you how you are thinking, when you could never see this because you go into things already having the [wrong] answers.

Immediately after the tribulation means immediately after the tribulation.

Ronald D Milam said:
You have no understanding of Prophesy, its my calling.

If it is your calling, how can you not understand that immediately after the tribulation means immediately after the tribulation.

Ronald D Milam said:
You can not even understand what SEALS DO, they SEAL UP messages. Nothing in the Seals are WRATH, they SEAL UP the Scroll of Wrath, that is all they do.

Please. As each seal is opened the event happens.
The 1st four seals are the beginning of sorrows of Matthew 24
The 5th seal is the great tribulation of Matthew 24
The 6th seal is the coming of Jesus of Matthew 24
The 7th seal is the wrath of God

40 years. How do you not understand this?

Ronald D Milam said:
Of course it is, God's Wrath parallels the Anti-Christ/Beasts 42 months, God will not let him go forth until His Wrath falls. PERIOD.

No. The great tribulation starts when the AOD is set up.
The great tribulation ends at the 6th seal. This is Satan killing Christians.
The wrath of God is the 7th seal. This is the trumpets and vials of God wrath.

Ronald D Milam said:
It does. its the same bible, its just not your calling.

You have no idea what I have seen. You have no idea what I have experienced.

I am confused, however. How can prophecy be your calling if you think that immediately after the tribulation means the tribulation is starting.
How can prophecy be you calling if you think the 144,000 represents all of Israel when we see the 144,000 are redeemed FROM the earth in Revelation 14, BEFORE THE WRATH OF GOD BEGINS, but the woman Israel remains on the earth through the entire wrath of God.

Ronald D Milam said:
A foot trying to be a hand is your problem. We have to be what called us to be, this ain't your bag brother, and to boot, you WILL NEVER LISTEN to those who are called and know.

If you can produce any scripture that proves my end times position is incorrect, without using any secret private interpretation codes or without changing the meaning of words, I am all ears.

I really enjoy learning something, because it can lead to other understanding in scripture.

Ronald D Milam said:
You are confused like him on most everything, but he is not as far off as you.

He carries a sledgehammer and beats everything into places they don't fit.

Whereas you us codes and changing the meaning of words to get where you want to go.

Ronald D Milam said:
SMILE....so you do not eve understand the DOTL lasts for 1260 days? Good grief brother.

LOL. I am positive that you cannot produce any verses that prove that the Day of the Lord lasts 1260 days.
The DOTL is one day. The wrath of God is one year.

The one day DOTL, occurs during the one year Day of Wrath.

Let's see your scripture that proves the DOTL is 1260 days.

Ronald D Milam said:
No it does not, that is just you not understanding that Jesus is Prophesying about the soon to come Wrath. The 6th Seal is Jesus telling you that n ONE MORE SEAL all this will start happening and can be seen HERE in Rev 8:

12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

This above IS THE 6TH SEAL ROPHESY coming to pass !!

Nonsense. The 6th seal occurs immediately after the tribulation. Jesus comes for a harvest. The fourth angel sounding occurs in the 7th seal.
The 6th seal is not the 7th seal.

Ronald D Milam · Saturday at 1:48 AM

The Light said:
So let me get this straight. No one can understand me because I am saying that immediately after the tribulation means the tribulation ends and I am wrong. You claim that immediately after the tribulation means that the tribulation STARTS. Is this some kind of code that I am missing.

Yessssssssssssssssss, look at the TIMING TELLS !! I have only been telling you this 7-8 years. You look at way too many verses as LONE PASSAGES. God demands we put line upon line, and precept upon percept and allow the holy spirit to tie all the passages together. Its like a Detective, Billy Bob hated Nancy so you would lock Billy Bob up, BUT........Billy Bob was in Florida not Texas where Nancy passed away, he was there for a whole week. THIS STUFF MATTERS, you skip all the DETAILS like Billy Bob being on vacation !!

The 1/3 Trees burning is the very first Trumpet Judgment, and it starts God's Wrath. Not know the Seals ate Prophetic and not real Wrath is on you, not God, but alas, its ever worse than that because your thought process is IMMEDIATLY AFTER THE TRIBULATION Jesus returns and the Sun and moon goes dark, NO, Immediately after the Tribulation the Sun and Moon goes Dark in Trump #4 (Trumps 1-4 are the exact same event a Asteroid Impact) and then we have a 5 MONTH FIRST WOE !!!!! And then we have the 2nd Woe that happens when the 6th Trump sounds. And then we have the 7th Trump sounding, which brings the 3rd Woe which is all 7 Vials.

So, THE TIMMING TELLS US YOU CANNOT BE CORRECT, after the tress start burning in the First Trump, and into the Fourth Trump, we see thus Sun and Moon go dim or darkened by 1/3 via the SMOKE. So, this happens IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TROUBLES, because it REALLY DOES, but then we get a 5 Month Period via the 1st Woe, thus Jesus a not return IMMEDIATELY AFTER, the passage just confuses you, you do not look deep enough into ALL THE PASSAGES to see this CANNLT BE TRUE, you fail to put LINE UPON LINE like Gid commands us to do. THEN.............we still have the 2nd Woe and the 3rd Woe before Jesus shows up at the 7th Vial. Any person who looks at Matt. 24:29 and can not see vs. 30 CANNOT be immediately after that TRIBULATION being spoken about should rethink it all or stop teaching prophesy.

The Point is the Sun and Moon DIMS because of the Fires to the 1/3 of the Trees, this indeed happens immediately after these troubles start happening, Jesus does not come back immediately however, we have to ADD IN a 5 Month 1st Woe, this alone defeats every point you have been espousing brother. TIMING TELLS MATTER A GREAT DEAL. if you ae going to try and teach prophesy you have to be able to make sure all of the TIME LINES match up. All you can see is IMMEDIATELY and you think vs. 30 is whats being pointed unto, bit its only about vs. 29, and the Sun and Moon going dark BEFORE the 1st Woe which lasts 5 Months. CASE CLOSED.

The Light said:
I know what IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation means. And it does not mean that the tribulation starts.

Right........I just pummeled that thesis of yours. "YOU KNOW" and thats why you can not learn.

The Light said:
Please. As each seal is opened the event happens.
The 1st four seals are the beginning of sorrows of Matthew 24
The 5th seal is the great tribulation of Matthew 24
The 6th seal is the coming of Jesus of Matthew 24
The 7th seal is the wrath of God

The 70th week is NOT SEEN until Matt. 24:15, nothing before vs. 14 is about the 70th week, verses 4-6 were only bout 70 AD events, verses 7-8 were Jesus showing WHY THE END WAS NOT YET in vs. 6. He demonstrated why the end times were much later on. Verses 9-13 were about the 1st Century Disciples deaths. No Seals do anything, I have a wild idea why do you not just Google Wax Signet Seal and see what they actually did ? A King had a SIGNET RING he pressed again a Wax and it SEALED UP A LETTER or a Message and if all three Signet Seals were broken that meant the message had been read and the messenger would be killed. So, no one got the message until ALL THREE Wax Seals had been broken, but the Seals only SEALED UP the these Judgments are SEALED Message, that's all. The Seals are God telling us that the Scrolls of God's Wrath will only come to pass when all 7 Seals have been opened, God doesn't care about OUR CONCEPTS just His understandings.

The Light said:
No. The great tribulation starts when the AOD is set up.
The great tribulation ends at the 6th seal. This is Satan killing Christians.
The wrath of God is the 7th seal. This is the trumpets and vials of God wrath.

No, that AoD just gives Israel 30 days to flee Judea. Nothing to do with the 6th Seal please do not even mention this in heaven, you will get a strange look.

The Light said:
You have no idea what I have seen. You have no idea what I have experienced.

All the bibles are the same, you just can not understand prophesy.

The Light said:
I am confused, however. How can prophecy be your calling if you think that immediately after the tribulation means the tribulation is starting.

You are going to feel real bashfully in error when you get to heaven and realize this simple word salad confused you.

The Light said:
If you can produce any scripture that proves my end times position is incorrect, without using any secret private interpretation codes or without changing the meaning of words, I am all ears.

I really enjoy learning something, because it can lead to other understanding in scripture.

I have been doing that for years.

The Light said:
Whereas you us codes and changing the meaning of words to get where you want to go.

ALWAYS DODGE THOSE FACTS ABOUT THE 10 Virgin Brides, every time for 8 plus years. That means yo know you are in error.

The Light · Saturday at 8:10 AM

Ronald D Milam said:
Yessssssssssssssssss, look at the TIMING TELLS !! I have only been telling you this 7-8 years. You look at way too many verses as LONE PASSAGES. God demands we put line upon line, and precept upon percept and allow the holy spirit to tie all the passages together. Its like a Detective, Billy Bob hated Nancy so you would lock Billy Bob up, BUT........Billy Bob was in Florida not Texas where Nancy passed away, he was there for a whole week. THIS STUFF MATTERS, you skip all the DETAILS like Billy Bob being on vacation !!

I skip the details? Not quite. You change scripture which changes the details. Then you run off on a wild goose chase based on something you have made up. Why don't you just accept the written word of God, so you understand what is going on.

Ronald D Milam said:
The 1/3 Trees burning is the very first Trumpet Judgment, and it starts God's Wrath. Not know the Seals ate Prophetic and not real Wrath is on you,

Not know the seals are prophetic and not real wrath is on me?????????????????????????????

This is exactly what I have been trying to tell you. THE SEALS ARE NOT WRATH. ONLY THE 7TH SEAL IS THE WRATH OF GOD.

The first four seals are the beginning of sorrows.
Matthew 24
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

The 5th seal is the great tribulation.
Matthew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The 6th seal is the coming of Jesus for a harvest. It is the second harvest. The 144,000 are the first fruits of this harvest. It is the gathering from heaven and earth BEFORE the wrath of God.
Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The 7th seal is the wrath of God.
Revelation 6
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The 7th seal contains the trumpets and vials of Gods wrath. The great tribulation, when Christians are killed by the beast, is not the wrath of God when God punishes an unbelieving world. Tribulation is over at the 6th seal. The wrath of God is the 7th seal.

Ronald D Milam said:
not God, but alas, its ever worse than that because your thought process is IMMEDIATLY AFTER THE TRIBULATION Jesus returns and the Sun and moon goes dark, NO, Immediately after the Tribulation the Sun and Moon goes Dark in Trump #4 (Trumps 1-4 are the exact same event a Asteroid Impact) and then we have a 5 MONTH FIRST WOE !!!!!

The sun and moon go dark, and the stars fall from heaven AT THE 6TH SEAL. You are jumping to the 7th seal to the 4th trumpet when the when the event occurs at the 6th seal.

As I said, Jesus comes for a harvest at the 6th seal. Why do you think there is a great multitude in Revelation 7? BECAUSE THERE WAS A HARVEST. There is a harvest because God people are not appointed to wrath.

Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

The Church is raptured before the great tribulation. The 12 tribes across the earth, which are the seed of the woman are raptured immediately after the tribulation. Then the 7th seal is opened and God's wrath begins. Wrath is the trumpets and vials.

Ronald D Milam said:
And then we have the 2nd Woe that happens when the 6th Trump sounds. And then we have the 7th Trump sounding, which brings the 3rd Woe which is all 7 Vials.

No sir. The vials DO NOT happen after the trumpets. The trumpets and vials happen in the same timeframe. The 7th seal is opened and the 1st trumpet sounds, then the 1st vial is poured before the second trumpet sounds.

The trumpets and vials are a different vision of the same TIMEFRAME.

Ronald D Milam said:
So, THE TIMMING TELLS US YOU CANNOT BE CORRECT, after the tress start burning in the First Trump, and into the Fourth Trump, we see thus Sun and Moon go dim or darkened by 1/3 via the SMOKE. So, this happens IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TROUBLES, because it REALLY DOES, but then we get a 5 Month Period via the 1st Woe, thus Jesus a not return IMMEDIATELY AFTER, the passage just confuses you, you do not look deep enough into ALL THE PASSAGES to see this CANNLT BE TRUE, you fail to put LINE UPON LINE like Gid commands us to do. THEN.............we still have the 2nd Woe and the 3rd Woe before Jesus shows up at the 7th Vial. Any person who looks at Matt. 24:29 and can not see vs. 30 CANNOT be immediately after that TRIBULATION being spoken about should rethink it all or stop teaching prophesy.

Tribulation is not the wrath of God. The great tribulation is when the beast is killing Christians for not taking the mark. Immediately after the tribulation of those days is over, Jesus returns for the gathering from heaven and earth. The result is there is a great multitude in heaven. We are in heaven for the marriage supper during the ONE YEAR wrath of God. We are not appointed to wrath and neither are the 12 tribes across the earth.

Ronald D Milam said:
The Point is the Sun and Moon DIMS because of the Fires to the 1/3 of the Trees, this indeed happens immediately after these troubles start happening, Jesus does not come back immediately however, we have to ADD IN a 5 Month 1st Woe, this alone defeats every point you have been espousing brother. TIMING TELLS MATTER A GREAT DEAL. if you ae going to try and teach prophesy you have to be able to make sure all of the TIME LINES match up. All you can see is IMMEDIATELY and you think vs. 30 is whats being pointed unto, bit its only about vs. 29, and the Sun and Moon going dark BEFORE the 1st Woe which lasts 5 Months. CASE CLOSED.

Ok, case closed..........and CASE LOST.

The point is the tribulation is over at the 6th seal................just like the Word says. We don't have to be confused about this. God gives us a timestamp of the sun and moon being darkened and the stars falling from heaven.

When the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven, Jesus returns. It is the second coming.............not the second advent, the second coming. Jesus remains in the clouds and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. That is why there is a great multitude in heaven in Revelation 7. Where do you think the great multitude comes from that is in heaven in Rev 7. There is a harvest because Jesus has and believers are not appointed to wrath which is the 7th seal.

Mark 13
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

The Light · Saturday at 9:02 AM

Ronald D Milam said:
Right........I just pummeled that thesis of yours. "YOU KNOW" and thats why you can not learn.

So you change the words "immediately after the tribulation" to "the tribulation starts" and you think you did some pummeling?

If you would just get out of the own way and read what the Word says, and they apply what the Word says you might realize you are in error.

Ronald D Milam said:
The 70th week is NOT SEEN until Matt. 24:15, nothing before vs. 14 is about the 70th week,

This is correct. This is because there is only 3.5 years left in the 70th week.

However, the is a week that begins when a covenant with many is made. This will begin the final week.

The 7 seals will not be opened until the Church is raptured and the Church will be raptured before the AOD is set up.

Ronald D Milam said:
verses 4-6 were only bout 70 AD events,

The verses have not occurred yet.

Ronald D Milam said:
verses 7-8 were Jesus showing WHY THE END WAS NOT YET in vs. 6. He demonstrated why the end times were much later on. Verses 9-13 were about the 1st Century Disciples deaths.

These verses have also not occurred.

Ronald D Milam said:
No Seals do anything,

I just have to look down and shake my head. 40 years you have been doing this, and you don't believe what is written

Each time a seal is opened an event occurs. NONE OF THE SEALS ARE OPENED. The seals will not be opened until the Church is raptured to heaven. PERIOD.

Ronald D Milam said:
I have a wild idea why do you not just Google Wax Signet Seal and see what they actually did ? A King had a SIGNET RING he pressed again a Wax and it SEALED UP A LETTER or a Message and if all three Signet Seals were broken that meant the message had been read and the messenger would be killed. So, no one got the message until ALL THREE Wax Seals had been broken, but the Seals only SEALED UP the these Judgments are SEALED Message, that's all. The Seals are God telling us that the Scrolls of God's Wrath will only come to pass when all 7 Seals have been opened, God doesn't care about OUR CONCEPTS just His understandings.

As each seal is opened the event occurs.

John has a vision. He sees each seal that is opened and tells us what will happen as each seal is opened

Each seal is opened in order. The tribulation is over when the 6th seal is opened. Jesus returns after the 6th seal is opened. The great multitude in heaven after the 6th seal is opened. When the 7th seal is opened, the wrath of God begins.

Ronald D Milam said:
No, that AoD just gives Israel 30 days to flee Judea. Nothing to do with the 6th Seal please do not even mention this in heaven, you will get a strange look.

I didn't say the 6th seal had anything to do with the AOD.

The AOD being set up starts the great tribulation. The great tribulation is when Christians are killed for not taking the mark. When the 6th seal is opened, the tribulation is OVER. Jesus returns and remains in the clouds. He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. All return heaven for the marriage supper. This is why there is a great multitude in heaven in Rev 7. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

Ronald D Milam said:
All the bibles are the same, you just can not understand prophesy.

How can you possibly understand prophecy when you change the Word of God?

When you read the Word of God and don't understand it, skip it. Don't change it into something that makes sense to you because you will be wrong. Once you change something it will throw something else off. You will wander in the wilderness for 40 years.

Ronald D Milam said:
You are going to feel real bashfully in error when you get to heaven and realize this simple word salad confused you.

How can I be the one that is confused? I am taking exactly what is written..............When the Word says.........immediately after the tribulation.........that's what it means.

When the Word says 144,000, 12,000 from each tribe, are first fruits.............that's what it means.

When the Word says a seal is opened and an event happens..............that's what it means.

You are wandering around in confusion because you can't figure out how to apply the Word as it is written. You are changing the Word and then applying it which completely sends you wandering for 40 years.

Ronald D Milam said:
ALWAYS DODGE THOSE FACTS ABOUT THE 10 Virgin Brides, every time for 8 plus years. That means yo know you are in error.

The 10 virgins are a parable. You think this parable gives you carte blanche to change the Word God when there is not a parable.

You don't understand that the 144,000 are first fruits just like the Word says. You change it to be all of Israel because you don't understand.

No matter how many times I show you....................How can the 144,000 be all of Israel if they are redeemed from the earth in Revelation 14? That would mean all of Israel is removed from the earth during the great tribulation. The Word clearly says that Israel is in a place of protection for 3.5 years and those years start when the AOD is set up in the midst of the week.

But you roll on, knowing that it is impossible for the 144,000 to be all of Israel.

When are you going to accept what is written and understand what is written, instead of changing what is written into something you think you understand?

Ronald D Milam · Saturday at 6:35 PM

The Light said:
This is exactly what I have been trying to tell you. THE SEALS ARE NOT WRATH. ONLY THE 7TH SEAL IS THE WRATH OF GOD

I vaguely remember you agreeing the Seals are not wrath in some context, but when you say Jesus returns at the 6th Seal and that God's Wrath is the 7th Seal you therefore put forth discombobulated untruths.

The Light said:
The first four seals are the beginning of sorrows.
Matthew 24
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Of course you are IN ERROR HERE, the Church is seen as Raptured in Rev. 4;1 and 4:4 and vs. 1 says these ae the things that are HEREAFTER [the Church Age] which is the THINGS THAT ARE [present time]

So, lets put vs. 4 in here also, heck verses 3 and 4.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

You totally fail again here on TIMELINES, who taught you that this has anything to do with the Seals which are OPENED AFTER the Pre Trib. Rapture?

In vs. 3 Jesus, after telling the disciples about the temples destruction is asked THREE QUESTIONS by his disciples, when will these things be (temples destruction) what will be the SIGN OF YOUR COMING, and the END OF THE WORLD or end of THE AGE (Leading unto the Kingdom Age).

Jesus answers and tells about the 70 AD period only in verses 4-6 DO NOT take this for END TIMES, it is just the opposite. Many will come saying I am the Messiah but WHY? Because the Pharisees can read and were well learned people, they knew the Fourth Beast was Rome, they also knew God was going to send a Messiah to one day save them from the Fourth Beast, so the Pharisees and Jewish Leaders started putting forth Messianic Men from 66-70 AD, this can be read about in many places. Remember why Judas betrayed Jesus? He wanted Messiah to be THAT LEADER who overcomes Israel's enemies, he thought if he turned Jesus over to the Romans in 33 AD that Jesus would take up this challenge. Here Jesus tells them THE END IS NOT YET for a specific reason, he knew if the Disciples returned to fight in Jerusalem in 70 AD that the Church would follow them and be WIPED OUT, so Jesus knew he had t give the Disciples a 100% FOOLPROOF UNDERSTANDING that 70 AD was not his return, if Israel had accepted Jesus as their Messiah in full, 70 AD might have indeed started the Kingdom Age, but God who foreknows all knew they would not accept Jesus as their Messiah, instead they accepted Barabbas. So, Jesus tells them the 70 AD events ARE NOT the 70th week end. THEN.......He DEMONSTRATES WHY? In terms they could easily understand, verses 7 and 8 are an ADD IN to explain why 70 AD cannot be THE END, that is all it is, trying to match Seals which are not broken unto after the Church Age/Pre Trib. Rapture is pure folly brother.

In 33 AD Jesus was showing them 100% why 70 AD could not be the 70th week end times. He says Nation will rise against Nation (Ethos vs Ethos or clans vs. clans) and Kingdom will arise against Kingdom, well, they all thus knew it could never be in their lifetimes, because no clans were going to fight not Kingdoms arise as long as Rome was around, so they knew this would have to be after Rome fell as a Kingdom and THUS that is why God gave us a Revived Rome with 10 Horns coming out of its head (E.U.) and the Little Horn (AC) being born amongst or IN the E.U. and Greece (Dan. 8:9 mandates Greece as the birth nation) is in the E.U. There will be FAMINES as in many and there probably was not any in the 1st Century, on purpose by God. Finally Pestilences and Earthquakes, we saw the Black Plague in 1300s and COVID 19, and all these had to come in a crescendo type package, like a woman's BIRTH PANGS. that is what the Sorrows meant, so it could NEVER BE about the 70th week end it only leads unto the 70th week end, once the baby is alive the sorrows (Birth Pangs) are over, it has nothing to do with the 70th week or the Seals.

Once verses 7-8 has explained to the Disciples why they can not be in the 70th week end times, then Jesus CONTINUES with his instruction unto his disciples where he left off in vs. 6, this is NOT THE END, that is later on, this this and this (verses 7 & 8)must happen before the end comes. then the will KILL YOU is how Jesus starts vs. 9, and many will betray you (those Christian in name only who flee when troubles came unto the Disciples). Then vs. 11 says many false prophets (NOT Christian false prophets) will fool many (these were the Zeus/Jupiter types who cried unto Rome about Christianity taking away their patrons, thus Rome started murdering Christians at the behest of a Woman Oracle. Finally Jesus tell his FIRST CENTURY Disciples, you MUST ENDURE until the end [of your lives].

Then in vs. 14 Jesus tells the Disciples THE KEY to when THE END will come, he says that the Gospel must be preached unto all the world, THEN the [70th week] END will come. This was KEY, the Disciples knew that in their lifetimes the would never reach India, China or the Scythians (Modern Day Russia) with the gospel, so they knew 100% that the 70 AD events could not be THE END thus when they heard whispers (Rumors) of Wars they knew NOT TO GO TO Jerusalem looking for Jesus' 2nd coming, thus the Churches did not follow them into chaos and death all because Jesus FORETOLD them what they must needs do.

And you think this passage is about End Time Events, that is just bad eschatology sir.

You can't even get the simple stuffs TIMELINES correct brother.

Ronald D Milam · Saturday at 7:37 PM

The Light said:
The 5th seal is the great tribulation.
Matthew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Wrong, the 5th Seal is Jesus Prophesying about the soon to Come Martyrs at the hands of the Anti-Christ or Beast over his 42 month reign. That reign only starts when the 7th Seal is opened, this brings the 42 months of Wrath (DOTL) and ONLY AT THAT TIME can the Man of Sin go forth conquering, as the Trumps bring the Wrath of God. Yes, verses 15-29 are the Great Tribulation, but also that incorporates the 4 Horses over 42 months, not in DIFFERENT PERIODS, all are stretched out over his 42 month reign, he Martyrs for 42 Months he brings WARS for 42 months, and FAMINE and DEATH/Sickness & the Grave. Jesus Prophesies about all those SOON TO COME EVENTS as he is opening the Sealed Scroll of Wrath. He then Prophesies about the Wrath of God/Lamb which is also SOON TO COME, you can not see its a Prophesy, that again is on you. God meant this to be complex and confusing, on purpose. The 7th Seal opens up the Wrath to FREELY FLOW, the 7 Trumps contain ALL of God's 42 months of Wrath.

The Light said:
The 6th seal is the coming of Jesus for a harvest. It is the second harvest. The 144,000 are the first fruits of this harvest. It is the gathering from heaven and earth BEFORE the wrath of God.
Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

You can repeat this until you are blue in the face and you will still be wrong. You have no shot at ever learning because you will not take correction. Sadly.

The Light said:
The 7th seal is the wrath of God.
Revelation 6
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The 7th seal contains the trumpets and vials of Gods wrath. The great tribulation, when Christians are killed by the beast, is not the wrath of God when God punishes an unbelieving world. Tribulation is over at the 6th seal. The wrath of God is the 7th seal.

No, the 7th Seal opens the Wrath, its however Metaphoric in nature, telling you/me that God is the author that BRINGS the Wrath on HIS TIMELINES ALONE. That can only happen after Israel repents and Flees Judea as the Rev. 7 events shows us.

WRO

The Light said:
The sun and moon go dark, and the stars fall from heaven AT THE 6TH SEAL. You are jumping to the 7th seal to the 4th trumpet when the when the event occurs at the 6th seal.

WRONG, that is a Prophetic Utterance about the FOURTH TRUMP. PERIOD

The Light said:
As I said, Jesus comes for a harvest at the 6th seal. Why do you think there is a great multitude in Revelation 7? BECAUSE THERE WAS A HARVEST. There is a harvest because God people are not appointed to wrath.

Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

The Church is raptured before the great tribulation. The 12 tribes across the earth, which are the seed of the woman are raptured immediately after the tribulation. Then the 7th seal is opened and God's wrath begins. Wrath is the trumpets and vials.

Again, you just do not understand prophesy or the book of Revelation at all. The Great Multitude from ALL NATIONS is the Pre Trib. Raptured Church as seen in Rev. 4:1, Rev. 4:4 and Rev. 5:9-10. They indeed came out of GREAT TRIBULATION. not the GREATEST EVER TRIBULATION. Here is another case where you can not digest simple verses and jump to major errors in your thought process because in your mind GREAT TRIBULATION has to be the Greatest Ever Tribulation, which of course is nonsensical. The 6 Million Jews killed were GREAT TRIBULATION, but its not the GREATEST EVER TRIBULATION. The Church were killed by Rome vis being burned at the stake, and Muslims in the last 1400 years have killed over 100 million people, that is the Great Tribulation the Church came out of. In John 16:33 Jesus said in this world YOU WILL HAVE TRIBULATION, but in me you will have peace fir I have overcome this world. So, those are the Pre Trib. Raptured Church, you CONFLATE EVERYTHIG BROTHER.

The Light said:
The Church is raptured before the great tribulation. The 12 tribes across the earth, which are the seed of the woman are raptured immediately after the tribulation. Then the 7th seal is opened and God's wrath begins. Wrath is the trumpets and vials.

The 144,000 = the 1/3 which = at least 5 million Jews who repent. I NOTICE YOU DODGED THE 5 MONTHS POINT, that always proves a guy knows he has been defeated on a point when he DODGES IT.

The Light said:
No sir. The vials DO NOT happen after the trumpets. The trumpets and vials happen in the same timeframe. The 7th seal is opened and the 1st trumpet sounds, then the 1st vial is poured before the second trumpet sounds.

The trumpets and vials are a different vision of the same TIMEFRAME.

Again, this just proves you to be CONFUSED. You do nit understand the 7 Vials are the 3RD WOE. And the 3rd Woe emits from the 7th Trump.

The Light said:
Tribulation is not the wrath of God. The great tribulation is when the beast is killing Christians for not taking the mark. Immediately after the tribulation of those days is over, Jesus returns for the gathering from heaven and earth. The result is there is a great multitude in heaven. We are in heaven for the marriage supper during the ONE YEAR wrath of God. We are not appointed to wrath and neither are the 12 tribes across the earth.

You are lost on these passages my friend, start over, whoever taught you, do not listen unto them on this subject anymore. It is TROUBLES because God's Wrath falls on the WHOLE WORLD and 2/3 of the Jews who fail to repent. The AC is not allowed to go forth conquering until God's Wrath falls. His Wrath and the Beast reign of 42 months parallels EXACTLY. Not knowing this just tells me you should not be teaching prophesy brother.

Ronald D Milam · Saturday at 7:37 PM

CONTINUED.....

The Light said:
Ok, case closed..........and CASE LOST.

The point is the tribulation is over at the 6th seal................just like the Word says. We don't have to be confused about this. God gives us a timestamp of the sun and moon being darkened and the stars falling from heaven.

The 6th Seal DOES NOTHING, its like opening a book with 7 Seals on it, you can't read anything until after the 7th Seal is taken off. Just like a door with 7 locks can not be opened until all 7 locks are off !!

The Light said:
When the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven, Jesus returns.

NO....this is only because you can not comprehend the TIMLINES in verses 24:29 and 30.

The Light said:
Mark 13
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Yes, that is the 2nd Coming, but the Sun and Moon going dark in vs. 29 IS NLT THE 2ND COMING, so amusing, I rarely see people this adverse to seeing timelines. You have no shot at understanding Prophesy because you can not see the TIMELINES God presented unto us.

The Light said:
So you change the words "immediately after the tribulation" to "the tribulation starts" and you think you did some pummeling?

I change nothing, its COMMON SENSE, we know what makes rh Sun and Moon go dim and WHEN at the 1st Seal Fires, the they go da at the Fourth Trump, and we still have THREE WOES to go and WE KNOW the First Woe lasts for 5 Months YOU DIDGING THIS FACT brother will not make the FACT GO AWAY. We ALL KNOW (except you it seems) that God's Wrath lasts for 42 months. This is why we know the Sun and Moon goes DIM by 1/3 at the very START of God's Wrath. You have just made up your own concepts, and anything that proves them wrong like the 5 Month first woe you just refuse to answer back on.

The Light said:
The verses have not occurred yet.

I just prove this wrong, of course. These are about the Temples Destruction. You think any DAKE CHRIST, I guess has to be end time, now go back in history and read about all the Messianic Figures put forth by the Pharisees and Religious Leaders 2000 years ago. Lots of them, you missed that I guess. And what was the FIRST QUESTION? THINK NOW !! When will THESE THINGS BE? (Temples Destruction was what Jesus had just taught them about, the Disciples added in the 2 End Time Questions themselves) And thus Jess FIRST ANSWRER was about the 70 AD events and the Temples Destruction amid Rumors of Wars.

The Light said:
I just have to look down and shake my head. 40 years you have been doing this, and you don't believe what is written

Each time a seal is opened an event occurs. NONE OF THE SEALS ARE OPENED. The seals will not be opened until the Church is raptured to heaven. PERIOD.

You do not understand them to be PROPHETIC because you learned that from MEN'S TRADITION. But the 6th Seal verse proves just that, it points unto Trump #4 and you can not deny that factoid. The Sun and Moon goes dim by 1/3.

The Light said:
As each seal is opened the event occurs.

John has a vision. He sees each seal that is opened and tells us what will happen as each seal is opened

Each seal is opened in order. The tribulation is over when the 6th seal is opened. Jesus returns after the 6th seal is opened. The great multitude in heaven after the 6th seal is opened. When the 7th seal is opened, the wrath of God begins.

NO..........They are merely PROPHETIC URRERANCE given by Jesus in Heaven, before the Wrath Falls.

The Light said:
I didn't say the 6th seal had anything to do with the AOD.

The AOD being set up starts the great tribulation. The great tribulation is when Christians are killed for not taking the mark. When the 6th seal is opened, the tribulation is OVER. Jesus returns and remains in the clouds. He sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. All return heaven for the marriage supper. This is why there is a great multitude in heaven in Rev 7. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

NO.........Its a 30 day HEADS UP/Warning from God for those Jews who repented to Flee Judea.

The Light said:
How can you possibly understand prophecy when you change the Word of God?

When you read the Word of God and don't understand it, skip it. Don't change it into something that makes sense to you because you will be wrong. Once you change something it will throw something else off. You will wander in the wilderness for 40 years.

You d not understand what you read, I do, that is the only difference, its my calling, not yours it seems.

The Light said:
How can I be the one that is confused? I am taking exactly what is written..............When the Word says.........immediately after the tribulation.........that's what it means.

When the Word says 144,000, 12,000 from each tribe, are first fruits.............that's what it means.

And you STAY SILENT about the 10 Virgins representing COMPLETE CHRISTENDOM, I wonder why?

In Heaven It will be seen everything I put forth came from the Lord. You, not so much.

The Light · Sunday at 5:33 PM

Ronald D Milam said:
I vaguely remember you agreeing the Seals are not wrath in some context, but when you say Jesus returns at the 6th Seal and that God's Wrath is the 7th Seal you therefore put forth discombobulated untruths.

Jesus returns at the 6th seal........FACT. I don't know to make it any clearer besides posting the scripture over, and over.

How is it possible that you can't grasp that Jesus returns at the 6th seal. It's right there in the scriptures? This is simple deductive reasoning.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 6

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Then the 7th seal is opened which contains the trumpets and vials.

Ronald D Milam said:
You totally fail again here on TIMELINES, who taught you that this has anything to do with the Seals which are OPENED AFTER the Pre Trib. Rapture?

Read the first four seals. Then read Matthew 24 5-7.

Are you still unable to figure out that when you are reading Jesus talking about end times in Matthew 24, John is telling you the EXACT same thing in his Revelation vision. The fifth seal it the great tribulation and the 6th seal is the coming Jesus for the gathering from heaven and earth.

Ronald D Milam said:
In vs. 3 Jesus, after telling the disciples about the temples destruction is asked THREE QUESTIONS by his disciples, when will these things be (temples destruction) what will be the SIGN OF YOUR COMING, and the END OF THE WORLD or end of THE AGE (Leading unto the Kingdom Age).

Jesus answers and tells about the 70 AD period only in verses 4-6 DO NOT take this for END TIMES, it is just the opposite. Many will come saying I am the Messiah but WHY? Because the Pharisees can read and were well learned people, they knew the Fourth Beast was Rome, they also knew God was going to send a Messiah to one day save them from the Fourth Beast, so the Pharisees and Jewish Leaders started putting forth Messianic Men from 66-70 AD, this can be read about in many places.

Let's look at Luke. By reading Luke we can tell that there is still one stone upon another in the buildings of the Temple. The stones of the buildings of the Temple were not all thrown down in 70 AD. The prophecy is unfulfilled.

How do we know that? If there are not one stone upon another, WHAT SIGN WAS THERE WHEN THIS OCCURED?

Luke 21
6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Ronald D Milam said:
Remember why Judas betrayed Jesus? He wanted Messiah to be THAT LEADER who overcomes Israel's enemies, he thought if he turned Jesus over to the Romans in 33 AD that Jesus would take up this challenge.

Jesus died in 30 AD. I used to think it was 33 AD also. 30 AD is the only year that works based on the scriptures and when Passover falls.

There is a lot of Christian watchmen that have recently switched from 30 AD to 32 AD. This is because they have eliminated 30 AD as the rapture would have to happen 7 years prior according to their understanding, which is the common belief.

However, Daniel 9 says Jesus will come 69 weeks after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. After 69 weeks He is cut off. That really means there is only 3.5 years left in the 70th week of Daniel.

There is, however, the final week that begins when a covenant with many is made.

Ronald D Milam said:
Here Jesus tells them THE END IS NOT YET for a specific reason, he knew if the Disciples returned to fight in Jerusalem in 70 AD that the Church would follow them and be WIPED OUT, so Jesus knew he had t give the Disciples a 100% FOOLPROOF UNDERSTANDING that 70 AD was not his return, if Israel had accepted Jesus as their Messiah in full, 70 AD might have indeed started the Kingdom Age, but God who foreknows all knew they would not accept Jesus as their Messiah, instead they accepted Barabbas. So, Jesus tells them the 70 AD events ARE NOT the 70th week end. THEN.......He DEMONSTRATES WHY? In terms they could easily understand, verses 7 and 8 are an ADD IN to explain why 70 AD cannot be THE END, that is all it is, trying to match Seals which are not broken unto after the Church Age/Pre Trib. Rapture is pure folly brother.

70 AD is a non issue as there is still one stone upon another in the buildings of the Temple.

Ronald D Milam said:
In 33 AD Jesus was showing them 100% why 70 AD could not be the 70th week end times.

Jesus died in 30AD

Ronald D Milam said:
And you think this passage is about End Time Events, that is just bad eschatology sir.

There is still one stone upon another in the buildings of the Temple. The first few verses of Matthew 24 are unfulfilled. Matthew 24 is all about end times.

If you think not, then what sign was there when all the stones were knocked down?

Douggg · Sunday at 5:42 PM

Ronald D Milam said:
Yes, that is the 2nd Coming, but the Sun and Moon going dark in vs. 29 IS NLT THE 2ND COMING, so amusing, I rarely see people this adverse to seeing timelines. You have no shot at understanding Prophesy because you can not see the TIMELINES God presented unto us.

Here is the timeline....

Spiritual Israelite · Sunday at 5:47 PM

The Light said:
I know what IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation means. And it does not mean that the tribulation starts.

You have spent 40 years confusing yourself because you refuse to accept what is written. You need to forget everything that you think you know about end times and start fresh with no codes, no word meaning changes and no secret sauce surprises. Just read what it says.

Immediately after the tribulation means immediately after the tribulation.

If it is your calling, how can you not understand that immediately after the tribulation means immediately after the tribulation.

He probably should stop mentioning that he has been teaching prophecy for 40 years because it is just embarrassing (for him) that he can't even discern the simplest of things even after 40 years. Like you said, immediately after the tribulation means just that. It's quite self explanatory, but he still somehow doesn't get it. It's unbelievable that he has apparently learned nothing in 40 years.

The Light · Sunday at 6:21 PM

Frankly, it puzzles me. Just read what it says.

The Light · Sunday at 10:10 PM

Ronald D Milam said:
Wrong, the 5th Seal is Jesus Prophesying about the soon to Come Martyrs at the hands of the Anti-Christ or Beast over his 42 month reign.

Which is the great tribulation that is the 5th seal. When a seal is opened the event occurs. What could be clearer??????????

And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

Ronald D Milam said:
That reign only starts when the 7th Seal is opened, this brings the 42 months of Wrath (DOTL)

Please tell me you don't think this.

The 7th seal is the wrath of God which contains the trumpets and vials.

THE WRATH OF GOD LASTS ONE YEAR.
The DOTL lasts one day.

Ronald D Milam said:
and ONLY AT THAT TIME can the Man of Sin go forth conquering,

Are you kidding. The man of sin is the rider on the white horse. He goes conquering and conquer with the 1st seal is opened.

What book are you reading??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Ronald D Milam said:
as the Trumps bring the Wrath of God. Yes, verses 15-29 are the Great Tribulation, but also that incorporates the 4 Horses over 42 months,

Where do you come up with this nonsense?

You are so confused.

The trumpets and vials occur in the 7th seal............just like it says. The great tribulation begins when the AOD is set up at the 5th seal. The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. Then the wrath of God begins......7th seal.

Ronald D Milam said:
the 7 Trumps contain ALL of God's 42 months of Wrath.

Where do you get this stuff.......chapter and verse?

The wrath of God lasts one year. PERIOD.

Ronald D Milam said:
You can repeat this until you are blue in the face and you will still be wrong. You have no shot at ever learning because you will not take correction. Sadly.

It appears that you have reaped what you have been sowing.

Ronald D Milam said:
No, the 7th Seal opens the Wrath, its however Metaphoric in nature, telling you/me that God is the author that BRINGS the Wrath on HIS TIMELINES ALONE. That can only happen after Israel repents and Flees Judea as the Rev. 7 events shows us.

When the 7th seal is opened, the wrath of God begins.

Don't you understand anything about Revelation 6?

Ronald D Milam said:
WRONG, that is a Prophetic Utterance about the FOURTH TRUMP. PERIOD

Come on. Do you actually think that the sun being darkened is same as a third part of the sun being smitten?

Do you really think that the moon not giving light is the same as a third part of the moon being smitten?

And most of all do you think that the stars falling from heaven has anything whatsoever to do with a third part of the stars being smitten?

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 8
12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

You've been doing these 40 years and you can't see these are not the same thing.

Why not go over to Revelation 6 where you can find the sun and moon darkened and the stars falling form heaven.

Ronald D Milam said:
Again, you just do not understand prophesy or the book of Revelation at all.

Show me ONE thing where my position on end times disagrees with the Word of God. Chapter and verse.

I can show you many places where what you say does not agree with the Word of God. You just make things up like the 4th trumpet being what Jesus is talking about in Matthew 24. Why in the world would He jump to the fourth trumpet and skip the 1st three. And as we can see above it can't be the 4th trumpet that Jesus is talking about.

Ronald D Milam said:
The Great Multitude from ALL NATIONS is the Pre Trib.

There are two folds. The first fold is the Church - Pretribulation Rapture.
The second fold is of the 12 tribes across the earth - Pre wrath rapture..........which is really post trib as the tribulation is over at the 6th seal.
The great multitude contains both folds.

Ronald D Milam said:
Raptured Church as seen in Rev. 4:1, Rev. 4:4 and Rev. 5:9-10. They indeed came out of GREAT TRIBULATION. not the GREATEST EVER TRIBULATION.

The great tribulation is the greatest tribulation ever and Church is raptured before this happens.

Ronald D Milam said:
Here is another case where you can not digest simple verses and jump to major errors in your thought process because in your mind GREAT TRIBULATION has to be the Greatest Ever Tribulation, which of course is nonsensical.

I can prove you wrong over and over and over. Will you open your eyes and see? So far you haven't.

Here is the great tribulation. It cannot begin until AOD is set up. So any tribulation before the great tribulation is not great tribulation.

Matthew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:).........................

..................21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Ronald D Milam said:
The 6 Million Jews killed were GREAT TRIBULATION, but its not the GREATEST EVER TRIBULATION.

Oh boy playing those word games again so you can explain your confusion.

Let me clear this up for you. I guess I'll chuckle. When the AOD is set up 1/3 flee to a place of protection, 2/3 are killed.

Those that flee are in a place of protection and are not in the great tribulation. Those that remained are killed in the great tribulation.

This is the greatest tribulation.

When the dragon can't get to the woman that has fled, he goes after her seed, which is the 12 tribes across the earth. They are in great tribulation.........the greatest tribulation. Then Jesus returns at the 6th seal for a harvest. If the days are not cut short there would be believers alive to be raptured. All would be raptured from the grave........but for the elects sake, the days are cut short. Then the 7th seal is opened and God pours out His wrath..........trumpets and vials.

Ronald D Milam said:
The Church were killed by Rome vis being burned at the stake, and Muslims in the last 1400 years have killed over 100 million people, that is the Great Tribulation the Church came out of. In John 16:33 Jesus said in this world YOU WILL HAVE TRIBULATION, but in me you will have peace fir I have overcome this world. So, those are the Pre Trib. Raptured Church, you CONFLATE EVERYTHIG BROTHER.

My Bible says the great tribulation begins when the AOD is set up. That has nothing to do with the last 1400 years.

I have never anyone confuse things that are so simple. I have never seen anyone provide answers when there are no questions. The answer is already given in the Word of God. If you would read what it says, accept what it says and quit making up a bunch of nonsense that does not agree with the Word........you might begin to understand.

Ronald D Milam said:
The 144,000 = the 1/3 which = at least 5 million Jews who repent. I NOTICE YOU DODGED THE 5 MONTHS POINT, that always proves a guy knows he has been defeated on a point when he DODGES IT.

What's to dodge. Those 5 months are 5 months in the ONE YEAR WRATH OF GOD.

The Light · Sunday at 10:11 PM

Ronald D Milam said:
Again, this just proves you to be CONFUSED. You do nit understand the 7 Vials are the 3RD WOE. And the 3rd Woe emits from the 7th Trump.

The 7 vials are not the third woe. When the 7th trumpet sounds the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord

Revelation 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

When that 7th trumpet sounds the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. Do you not understand what that means?
That means Armageddon is over...........it has already happened. The vials have already happened. It is finished

When you are reading Rev 13 and 14 you are back in the seals.

Here is the 5th seal
Revelation 14
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Here is the harvest at the 6th seal.
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Here is wrath getting ready to begin.
Revelation 14
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Ronald D Milam said:
You are lost on these passages my friend, start over,

You don't understand what you are reading.

Ronald D Milam said:
whoever taught you, do not listen unto them on this subject anymore.

LOL. I'll tell exactly who taught me. I got on the forums and watched some TV shows and realized very few had a clue, including all the TV guys and book writers. I could read their conclusions and compare it to the Word of God and realize most were wrong.

I just decided to accept what is written and don't make anything up. If I didn't understand it, I skipped it, instead of drawing a false conclusion. Once you start making crap up, that's what you got. And that leads to more crap.

So when you claim that I am wrong, produce the scripture. I will be happy to change what I believe. But don't make up something that does not agree with scripture and expect me to buy it.

Ronald D Milam said:
It is TROUBLES because God's Wrath falls on the WHOLE WORLD and 2/3 of the Jews who fail to repent. The AC is not allowed to go forth conquering until God's Wrath falls

Absolutely wrong again.

When the 1st seal is opened the Antichrist goes forth conquering and to conquer. When the AOD is set up in the midst of the week, the great tribulation happens......5th seal. When the 6th seal is opened, Jesus comes and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. THE TRIBULATION IS OVER AT THE 6TH SEAL. The wrath of God is the 7th seal.

Ronald D Milam said:
. His Wrath and the Beast reign of 42 months parallels EXACTLY. Not knowing this just tells me you should not be teaching prophesy brother.

Totally and completely in error.

The great tribulation begins when the AOD is set up.

The great tribulation ends at the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal.

The one year wrath of God is the 7th seal

You thinking that wrath of God parallels the reign of the beast is wrong as 42 month is NOT the same as one year.

The Light · 2025-06-16T10:58:15-0500

Ronald D Milam said:
CONTINUED.....

The 6th Seal DOES NOTHING, its like opening a book with 7 Seals on it, you can't read anything until after the 7th Seal is taken off. Just like a door with 7 locks can not be opened until all 7 locks are off !!

You are just making this up Brother. John has vision and sees as the first seal is opened the rider on the white horse goes forth.

As each seal is opened the event occurs. All seven seals do not have to be opened for the event to occur. All you have to do is read what it says. We don't need to make anything up. There is nothing solve; the answer is already given.

Ronald D Milam said:
NO....this is only because you can not comprehend the TIMLINES in verses 24:29 and 30.

There is no timeline to comprehend. Just read what it says..............The tribulation is over, Jesus returns, He sends His angels for a harvest. All this takes place at the 6th seal. We can tell this by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

Ronald D Milam said:
Yes, that is the 2nd Coming, but the Sun and Moon going dark in vs. 29 IS NLT THE 2ND COMING, so amusing, I rarely see people this adverse to seeing timelines. You have no shot at understanding Prophesy because you can not see the TIMELINES God presented unto us.

Please. It flows perfectly and agrees perfectly. Each seal is in order. Jesus tells us about end times and then John has a vision about end times. It the same story. Jesus tells us about the first 6 seal and John tells us about all 7 seals.

In your way, you have the wrong signs of the sun, moon and stars at the 4th trumpet. Out of nowhere......the 4th trumpet. Doesn't make any sense.

Ronald D Milam said:
I change nothing, its COMMON SENSE, we know what makes rh Sun and Moon go dim and WHEN at the 1st Seal Fires, the they go da at the Fourth Trump,

Wrong signs. Do the stars fall from heaven at the 4th trumpet or the 6th seal. The stars are darked at the 4th trumpet. Do you even know what the stars falling from heaven is about?????????????????????????????????????????? That doesn't happen at the 4th trumpet.

Ronald D Milam said:
and we still have THREE WOES to go and WE KNOW the First Woe lasts for 5 Months YOU DIDGING THIS FACT brother will not make the FACT GO AWAY.

What am I dodging? The 5 months takes place during the one year wrath of God. There is nothing to dodge.

Ronald D Milam said:
We ALL KNOW (except you it seems) that God's Wrath lasts for 42 months.

Please provide chapter and verse. My Bible says the wrath of God lasts one year.

Ronald D Milam said:
This is why we know the Sun and Moon goes DIM by 1/3 at the very START of God's Wrath. You have just made up your own concepts, and anything that proves them wrong like the 5 Month first woe you just refuse to answer back on. I just prove this wrong, of course.

I have no idea why you think those 5 months prove anything or that I'm dodging anything.

Those 5 months are FACT. There is nothing to dodge. Those 5 months take place during the one year wrath of God. The 7th seal is the wrath of God.

Ronald D Milam said:
These are about the Temples Destruction. You think any DAKE CHRIST, I guess has to be end time, now go back in history and read about all the Messianic Figures put forth by the Pharisees and Religious Leaders 2000 years ago. Lots of them, you missed that I guess.

It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with past false Christs. Those verses are talking about the end times false Christs that are coming. The first one is the 7th king. The first seal, rider on the white horse. The second false Christ is the beast of the sea who was and is and yet is. He is the 8th king and is of the seven.

Ronald D Milam said:
And what was the FIRST QUESTION? THINK NOW !! When will THESE THINGS BE? (Temples Destruction was what Jesus had just taught them about, the Disciples added in the 2 End Time Questions themselves) And thus Jess FIRST ANSWRER was about the 70 AD events and the Temples Destruction amid Rumors of Wars.

There is no 70 AD in those verses. There is still one stone upon another in the buildings of the Temple. The verses are talking about the destruction of the 3rd Temple that will shortly be built. If you think not, what sign was there when the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

Ronald D Milam said:
You do not understand them to be PROPHETIC because you learned that from MEN'S TRADITION.

No. I learned from reading the Word of God. I learned from not listening to men's tradition. I think it is the other way around.

Ronald D Milam said:
But the 6th Seal verse proves just that, it points unto Trump #4 and you can not deny that factoid. The Sun and Moon goes dim by 1/3.

NO!!!!! The 6th seal is the return of Jesus when the stars fall from heaven. This happens as the result of war in heaven. You don't jump right to the 4th trumpet. First you open the 7th seal. Then each trumpet happens in order. It's simple. This goes trumpet by trumpet to 7th trumpet when "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord" ARMEGEDDON IS ALREADY OVER. It is the time of judgement.

When you are reading Revelation 13 and 14 you are back in the seals. It's just more information about the same timeframe. When you are reading Revelation 15 its just more information of what occurs in Revelation 7. When you are reading Revelation 16, it's just more information about what occurs in Revelation 8-11.

Revelation reads like Genesis 7. In Genesis 7 you get three views of Noah loading the animals and three views of the flood.

In Revelation 6-16 you get two views of the tribulation, two views of those that come out of the great tribulation and two views of the wrath of God.

Ronald D Milam said:
NO..........They are merely PROPHETIC URRERANCE given by Jesus in Heaven, before the Wrath Falls.

No. They are actionable events that occur as each seal is opened. Wrath is only the 7th seal which is the trumpets and vials.

Ronald D Milam said:
NO.........Its a 30 day HEADS UP/Warning from God for those Jews who repented to Flee Judea.

There is no 30 day heads up warning. Let's see what the word says.

Matthew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

There is nothing in the word of God about a 30 day warning. You are making this up. That's not what the Word says.

Ronald D Milam said:
You d not understand what you read, I do, that is the only difference, its my calling, not yours it seems.

From what I can see the only thing you have figured out is that there is a pretrib rapture.

Ronald D Milam said:
And you STAY SILENT about the 10 Virgins representing COMPLETE CHRISTENDOM, I wonder why?

Again, what are you talking about. How many times do I have to respond.

The 10 virgins are a parable. Simple

The 144,000 are not a parable. Jesus goes to great lengths to show us it's not a parable.

As I have said, you think that the 10 virgins parable is giving you carte blanche to change the Word of God. It would be wiser is you understood that the 144,000 first fruits means there will be a rapture of the 12 tribes across earth. This occurs a the 6th seal and then we see a great multitude in Revelation 7 that is the Church and the raptured 12 tribes. The woman Israel remains on the earth in a place of protection during the wrath of God.

Ronald D Milam said:
In Heaven It will be seen everything I put forth came from the Lord. You, not so much.

Why is it then that what you say does not agree with the Word of God?

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