How Seventh day Adventists create the LIE that Sunday worship overtook Sabbath observance

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How Seventh day Adventists create the LIE that Sunday worship overtook Sabbath observance 8. 20260308​

Finley:

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Then you have Philo, a Jewish philosopher8:33 contemporary with some of the apostles in the first century. He calls the Sabbath and again I quote, “a festival8:41 belonging not to one nation but to the entire world.



StopLook:


Yes, Finley, SDAs, they do not make or even see the difference between the Sabbath of <a Jewish philosopher> and the Bible Sabbath. And they do not make or see any difference between the Sabbath of the LORD GOD and <a festival belonging to the entire world>. That is the crux and totality of Seventh day Adventism.

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.



They are an organisation of the world promoting the Universal Hegemon’s reason of and reason for its being, of and for its religion, of and for its politics, and of and for, its and its own, economy—the despotism and tyranny of the man of sin, the Semite (Semitic) Race.



Numerically <The fifth largest religious denomination in the world today>---their words--- they are, by far, the per capita richest of any ‘organisation’ today, and possess more property, real estate, world wide, than any proprietary limited entity what or whosoever.

17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing.

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<God's gift to us>... John 3:16. The Sabbath is not Gods gift to us---the Sabbath is a law of God to us - a law -, BECAUSE we are transgressors, "treaders down", of God's Sabbath. Our <observance> of God's Sabbath always will be a dishonour to God and his Sabbath. The Only One Who "does honour to the Sabbath", is the "Son Of Man : Lord of the Sabbath".
Another one who doesn't know what they're talking about.

Lazy.
 

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How Seventh day Adventists create the LIE that Sunday worship overtook Sabbath observance 9. 20260309​

Finley:
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And then you have an8:49 amazing description of what indeed is going on8:55 here. And that description reveals9:00 that God indeed has a Sabbath down through the centuries. Let's look at the9:07 second to fourth century for example. Christian historians are equally clear.9:14 Here's Socrates Scholasticus. He records almost all churches9:20 throughout the world celebrate the Sabbath and mysteries every week. Yet9:26 the Christians of Rome and Alexandria do not.

StopLook:
[Copilot_ Socrates Scholasticus was a 5th century Byzantine church historian, author of the Historia Ecclesiastica, documenting Christian history from 305 to 439.]

Yes… the Christians of Rome and Alexandria did not, but did not what? Did not <celebrate the Sabbath and mysteries every week>? Is that what Socrates Scholasticus in his <amazing description of what indeed is going on… here> among <the Christians of Rome and Alexandria>, did <not do>… did not <celebrate the Sabbath and mysteries every week>? Please Pastor Finley, are you <also>, <here>, <quoting>? Quoting what Socrates Scholasticus <records… here>? Could you not, Pastor Finley, for example, also have quoted <the second to fourth century Christian historians> who <are equally clear>, <here>?

Amazing! Socrates Scholasticus records something like, That all churches celebrated the Sabbath and mysteries (sacraments) “every week throughout the world”. He did not record that, “the Christians of Rome and Alexandria do not (also like the rest of the world) celebrate the Sabbath and sacraments every week”! That, Socrates Scholasticus did not record. What he (until this day) <records> and clearly until this day means, is that some, certain, Christians in Rome and Alexandria (Byzantium church), celebrated not only the Sabbath and the Sacraments as world wide every week, but <also> celebrated other things, ‘mysteries, mysteries and sabbaths not, Christian. And whether Sunday worship was one of these celebrated mysteries, Socrates does not say, DID NOT RECORD VERBBATIM. NOT EVEN MEANT. Not according to Pastor Mark Finley’s amazing observation, <the Christians of Rome and Alexandria do not>!
So much for Sunday sacredness and Christian worship in the 5th century Catholic church, Roman or Byzantine, zero to square zero.

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But that's what he said...
Yes. And my reply was to tell the one that said it that they're wrong.

So many troll Christian forums and spew garbage so to assail our faith.They're fakes,liars,slanderers,
their father is also the devil.
They're also lazy. Because they are opposed to the Bible it stands to reason they can't bother to read up on what they're going to attack,first.

So,to Christians they appear as not just Satanic but as fools also.

Some even boast they were Satan's first. That should have been a warning.But nooooooo.
 

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How Seventh day Adventists create the LIE that Sunday worship overtook Sabbath observance 10. 20260309​

Finley:

Why do the Christians at Rome and9:32 Alexandria not observe the Sabbath?



StopLook:


Just now Finley stated that Sokrates <records>, that “just about all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacraments every week on the Sabbath, but not the Christians in Rome or Alexandria.”



Directly after having quoted or referred to this fact, Finley goes on to ask: <Why do the Christians at Rome and Alexandria not observe the Sabbath?> Finley’s ‘question’, is unwarranted! He describes what indeed was going on down through the centuries>, namely, <that God indeed has a Sabbath… throughout the world celebrated together with the sacraments, every week>. That was the status quo according to Finley. Why does he still ask? Amazing! That was Church doctrine to Church practice— universal, ‘catholic’. And the exception proved the rule, not contradicted the rule. The Church throughout the world every week celebrated the Sabbath together with the sacraments. Rome and Alexandria did not.



God’s Sabbath and the sacraments of the Church were not celebrated, observed, kept in Rome and Alexandria. Sokrates does not record that instead of the Sabbath, Sunday was celebrated in Rome and Alexandria. He records the sacraments and the Sabbath were not performed. Sokrates also does not record that Rome’s mysterious fake sacraments were performed every week throughout the world. They were not rituals of the Church – not anywhere, not ever, not in the age that Sokrates documented Christian history from 305 to 439 AD. The same applies to Sunday. Get that straight. Sunday was not the day of worship of the worldwide Church of Jesus Christ throughout the centuries before or after. Period.

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How Seventh day Adventists create the LIE that Sunday worship overtook Sabbath observance 11. 20260309​

Finley:

Why do the Christians at Rome and9:32 Alexandria not observe the Sabbath? [asks Finley] Because [answers Finley] in Rome you have the Roman9:39 Empire falling apart and you have the attempt to disassociate9:44 from Judaism.

StopLook:

Taking into account, While you have in Rome the Roman Empire falling apart, you have its attempt to disassociate from <Judaism>, what would that help you to prove anything like Sunday worship happening in actual Christendom— in the Church in other words? Or was Rome every square yard of it, Christian settlement?

Even if you identified <Judaism> with the Christian Church inside the city of Rome, you have a situation in Rome of <disassociating>, itself, from, the Church, or the Church <disassociating> itself from the city-state of Rome… not a state of <association with> at all. In other words, if you identify Judaism with Christianity, you land up with a tribal Church of ‘Christian Jews’ that did not adopt the ‘mysteries of Rome’ – pagan Rome –, not adopt pagan Sunday sacredness and worship. You are surmising about a Church that does not exist, imagine.



Finley:

And so church and state unite as we'll show you a little later in the video.9:51 And as they do, Constantine passes the Sunday law in 321 AD to close the9:59 workshops on the venerable day of the sun. Now that wasn't a worship decree. It was a social decree…10:07



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<And as they do>– Do what? <As church and state unite … Constantine passes the Sunday law>! Presumption! Nonsense!

<Now that wasn't a worship decree. It was a social decree.> Not a <a worship decree>? It was nothing but a <a worship decree>— a pagan, worship decree! What is <a worship decree> but <a social decree> and <a social decree> but <a worship decree>? The whole business was superstition, pagan superstition of beams of the “worthy of worship”, “venerable sun” across the skies. Now you, say, <that wasn't worship>?!

Finley alleges, <they>, Constantine and the Council in 321 AD, passed that Sunday- Christian- social-, worship-, decree, by Law of Christians— throughout the world, celebrating it –, supposedly Sunday –, together: Constantine and the Council in 321 AD confirming, the established, norms and patterns in Christian worship, liturgy and doctrine.

Or Finley and Adventism simply waste their breath and Christians', time.

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How Seventh day Adventists create the LIE that Sunday worship overtook Sabbath observance

0:50 We're going to look at those original sources. And we're also going to look at 0:55 some original Catholic sources on the Catholic Church's 1:02 acknowledgment that they changed the Sabbath.
I reject the premise of your question. Fact is, Christians tend to celebrate church service on Sunday, a deliberate departure from our Jewish roots.

While I am not a SDA, I understand their position to keep holy the Sabbath Day. Honestly, I’m not sure what drives this hostility.
 

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How Seventh day Adventists create the LIE that Sunday worship overtook Sabbath observance 12. 20260310​

Finley:

You come to the council of Laodicea in 364,10:13 you come to a point where church and state unite,10:18 Sunday worship is introduced now into the empire. That's why here Socrates10:26 Scholasticus says almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the Sabbath every week.10:31 But the Christians of Rome because they have begun to compromise in Alexandria where you have a very high10:39 influence there, of Christianity and sun worship. So the statement is critical.10:46 Sunday observance was the exception not the rule.10:54



StopLook:


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You come to the council of Laodicea in 364>, says Finley, where in 364 <Sunday observance was the exception not the rule> but <Sunday worship>, despite, <is introduced now into the empire>.

That’s odd?

You came to Laodicea in 364, according to Finley, from <Rome and Alexandria where Constantine passes the Sunday law in 321> but <Christians> in any case, <do not observe Sabbath>?

Sunday in 321 made law; Sunday 43 years later, <not the rule> but <the exception>?

Even more odd?

In 364 (–against Finley, according to the record–) you have a Greek Church pleading for purer Sabbath observance?

It cannot get odder! Finley explains it so, <The Christians of Rome because they have begun to compromise in Alexandria where you have a very high10:39 influence there, of Christianity and sun worship.>

Still thinking you have seen it all?

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How Seventh day Adventists create the LIE that Sunday worship overtook Sabbath observance 13. 20260310​

Finley:

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Sunday observance was the exception not the rule. Now, additional historical sources10:54 affirm that gentile Christians observed the Sabbath, that the Sabbath united11:01 believers with the life and teachings of Jesus, that Christians followed not only11:07 Christ's example, but Christ's exam command. For over 400 years, the11:14 historical record is consistent. So that leads11:19 to a very serious question. How then was11:24 the Sabbath changed? Jesus didn't do it. He says, "If you love me,11:31 keep my commandments." The disciples couldn't do it because11:37 they didn't have the authority.

StopLook:
Says SDA Pastor Mark Finley@

<10:46 Sunday observance was the exception not the rule. Now, additional historical sources10:54 affirm that gentile Christians observed the Sabbath, that the Sabbath united11:01>.

Truth is Sunday observance was the exception not the rule with the heathen… among the non-Christians… for the world—, not for the Christians… the Church… the true Israel of God… the <gentile Christians>. Observance of the Sabbath, was not the exception but the rule. All <gentile Christians observed the Sabbath, the Sabbath united> all, True Believers… the True Israel.

Now, all <historical sources>confirm this clear, unambiguous, recorded historical fact. There are, simply, no <additional sources> to the contrary. <Gentile Christians observed the Sabbath, and the Sabbath united them> in one, <peculiar People> (E.G. White):IN the world but not OF the world… the world where erstwhile <Sunday observance was not the rule but the exception>, but where <now> Sunday observance is become the rule, not the exception… where it now is the world of the unbelieving children of Abraham, of the Christ opposing British Israelites.

Which is <the point where> Adventists cause Sunday worship to overtake Sabbath observance but Truth opposes them in their efforts.

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How Seventh day Adventists create the LIE that Sunday worship overtook Sabbath observance 14. 20260310​

Finley:

10:46
the Sabbath united11:01 believers with the life and teachings of Jesus, that Christians followed not only11:07 Christ's example, but Christ's command. For over 400 years, the11:14 historical record is consistent. So that leads11:19 to a very serious question. How then was11:24 the Sabbath changed?



StopLook:


<The Sabbath unites believers with the life and teachings of Jesus.>

Amen. That Christians followed not only Christ's Command for example in Genesis 1:27…God created man in his own image, in the image of God, created He him, male and female created, HE, them. 28Therefore, God blessed, them, and God said unto, them, Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth, subduing it, having dominion given you over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth, 29 because God said, Behold, I, give you, every herb, I give you everything bearing seed… which is of consequence… upon the face of all the earth… every tree in the which is The Fruit of A Tree, YIELDING SEED, I, GIVE, it you; it shall be your daily food: to do the Will of God your Father. Ecclesiastes, “The sum of it all is, Fear God and keep His Commandment!”

30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creeps upon the earth, wherein there is life, I, give! I give Command: I have given every green herb for meat. And it was so. 31Therefor Behold! It was evening and it was morning the Sixth Day… and God saw every thing which HE, had made… HE, had created… HE, had finished… that it was very good. Therefore, Behold! Law, judgment, doom!

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How Seventh day Adventists create the LIE that Sunday worship overtook Sabbath observance 15. 20260310​

StopLook:

But Christians followed not only Christ's Command, but Christ's Example— right here at the creation in Genesis 3:8 And they heard the Voice of the LORD GOD Yahweh Elohim (The Word that “in the beginning, was”), walking in the garden in the evening cool (dusk) of the (Seventh) Day (Sabbath of the LORD GOD Yahweh Elohim): and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD, Yahweh GOD Elohim, amongst the trees of the garden. 9And the LORD, Yahweh GOD Elohim, called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 10And Adam said, I heard Thy Voice, LORD, Yahweh GOD Elohim, in the garden, and I was afraid, because I am naked; and I hid myself. 11And the LORD, GOD Yahweh Elohim, said, Who told thee that thou art naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree whereof I the LORD thine GOD Yahweh Elohim, commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 12And the man said, The woman with me, whom thou gavest me, she, gave me of the tree, and I did eat. 13And the LORD, Yahweh God Elohim, said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

14And the LORD, Yahweh God Elohm, said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 FOR I WILL PUT ENMITY between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her, Seed; her Seed (born of a woman, Jesus the Son of God) thou shalt bruise his heel, while the LORD Yahweh God Elohim, shall crush thy head.

16 Unto the woman the LORD, Yahweh God Elohim, said, I will greatly multiply the sorrow of thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it:- Cursed is the earth for thy sake! In sorrow shalt thou eat of the ground all the days of thy life 18Thorns also and thistles, shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field. 19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return unto the ground. For out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

20And Adam called his wife's name Eve because she was the mother of all living.

21Unto Adam as also to his wife, the LORD, Yahweh God Elohim, made coats of skins, and clothed them. 22And the LORD God called, Behold, the man! He is become as one of US, knowing good and evil: And now, lest he put forth his hand to take also of The Tree Of Life, and eat, and live for ever, 23 the LORD, Yahweh GOD Elohim, sent him forth out from the garden of Eden, to till the ground[to the west] from whence he was taken out.

24So the LORD, Yahweh GOD Elohim, drove out the man Adam and his wife,

placing at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims and a FLAMING SWORD

which turned every way to keep THE WAY OF THE TREE OF LIFE.

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Genesis 3

22 Behold, THE MAN – become as one of us, to know good and evil: Yahweh, the LORD I AM, VOICE of GOD Elohim.



23 For God so loved the cosmos He gave His only Son,

and sent Him forth from His Throne In Heaven to

the world, the earth, to the ground, whence

God took the clay and formed them, man and wife.

For God shall not forsake the work of His Hands.



John 19:5

Then came Jesus forth, wearing the crown of thorns, and the purple robe. And Pilate saith unto them, Behold The Man!



NOW THEN… Behold the Lamb, lifted up, on the mountain, on the cross!


Behold, The Man! He is become as one of us, knowing good and evil!

Good, of God Himself; evil, of none but us.

And now, lest man put forth his hand and take of The Tree Of Life, and eat,

and live for ever!​



THEN… again, Stop! Look!

Behold: The Lamb, standing, RISEN,

On the mount “THIS SAME JESUS,

Jesus you, crucified,

BUT JESUS, GOD,

RAISED FROM THE DEAD

THE LORD GOD OF GLORY…

LORD of the Sabbath Day.



Not the Einstein way,

Not to the speed of light,

Not the shortest, quantum way,

But the relative to nothing, Divine, -WAY,

The Only, -Way,

The Word that in the beginning WAS, -WAY,

The WORD that in the beginning was GOD, -WAY,

The WORD that in the beginning was WITH, God, -WAY,

The Almighty God Elohim the LORD Yahweh, -WAY,

THE VOICE OF GOD, -WAY,

The Genesis 1 to 3, -WAY—

THE I AM THE WAY, -WAY,

THE I AM THE LIGHT, THE LIFE, -WAY.



IF TODAY, YOU HEAR HIS VOICE,

HARDEN NOT YOUR HEART!


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How Seventh day Adventists create the LIE that Sunday worship overtook Sabbath observance 16. 20260311​

Finley:

For over 400 years, the11:14 historical record is consistent. So that leads11:19 to a very serious question. How then was11:24 the Sabbath changed?



StopLook:

That indeed is the serious question!
For over 400 years now since the Reformation <historical records that the Sabbath was changed> consistently appear in the Western Catholic and so-called Protestant Christian Church! So that that fact leads to one after the other, other, very, serious questions. Why?



Finley:

Jesus didn't do it.
He says, "If you love me,11:31 keep my commandments." The disciples couldn't do it because11:37 they didn't have the authority. In fact, it was Peter in Acts 5 29. It says, "We11:43 ought to obey God rather than men." And God certainly wouldn't do it because in11:48 the book of Malachi, God himself says, "I am the Lord and I do what?" Change not. So how did this take place?



StopLook:

Why ask? You gave the answer yourself, already, have you not? You named the only three legitimate reasons or possibilities that the Sabbath could be changed, <Jesus>, <disciples>, <God>. Note, the Sabbath cannot change itself. If changed, one or more of these three causes listed by yourself, had to cause it.

But you, no one else, deny it! Therefore,

Stop! Look! The ultimate only Reason for and Cause of the Sabbath Day, its Maker, GOD Elohim the LORD Yahweh Jesus God the Son the Son Of Man, is the Only Way the Sabbath could be changed and <consistently>, had been <changed>.

And here is where you Seventh day Adventists go off track— Q~The Sabbath is a memorial of the creation!~Q Seventh day Adventists from the word go, consistently, absolutely, axiomatically and finally and once for all in 1939 AD refused to consider HOW THE CHURCH, CHANGED, THE WORD OF GOD, specifically <where> it is WRITTEN about the ‘timeline’ of “the Seventh Day”— “Sabbath of the LORD your GOD”.

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How Seventh day Adventists create the LIE that Sunday worship overtook Sabbath observance 17. 20260312​

Finley:

Well, in11:55 Daniel 7 verse 25, the Bible talks about the change of God's law. It talks about12:01 a power arising out of Rome that would have that would claim the authority to12:08 change God's law. We read it in Daniel 7:25.



StopLook:

Well, not exactly. In fact, not at all. In Daniel 7 verse 25, the Bible talks about the <claim> or rather (future) attempt of <a power arising out of> not <Rome> literally the city in Italy, but a power of consciousness or intelligence arising, awakening, out of or up from

19 the fourth beast, which was diverse, exceeding dreadful, and brake in pieces and stamped with his feet the residue 20 of the ten horns in his head (‘ten’ ideas, ‘thoughts’ competing for supremacy in his head), 20and brake in pieces and stamped with his feet every other (“horn”– idea, thought, intelligence) which came up in his head.”



And so every “other” power of consciousness or intelligence – every <claim> –, that “woke” or “arose”, or “came up” from or out of “in the HEAD of the beast”, “THE LITTLE HORN” HEGEMON

wily and cruelly suppressed, CRUSHED AND OBLITERATED.




19 The fourth

beast which came up and before which

three (HEGEMON POWERS) fell

even that horn

that had eyes

whose look was

more stout than his fellows.

and had a mouth that

spake very great things.



If this was <Rome>, what is <Rome> this time?

Its Horn in the Head Power the Anglo American Kingdom of the United States of America

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How Seventh day Adventists create the LIE that Sunday worship overtook Sabbath observance 18. 20260312​

Finley:

He shall speak pompous words against the most high. shall persecute12:15 the saints of the most high and intend to change times and law.12:21 So what is the only commandment that has to do with time is the Sabbath commandment.



StopLook:

That is not what Daniel 7 says! Finley is saying, <…in11:55 Daniel 7 verse 25, the Bible talks about the change of God's law. It talks about12:01 a power arising out of Rome that would claim the authority to12:08 change God's law. We read it in Daniel 7:25.> Again yes and no. Yes, you have just read it with your own eyes. You have here and now read what who, wrote? What Mike Finley Seventh day Adventist Pastor, wrote— read what the SDA teach, not what <the Bible talks>. So lets read what the Bible talks straight away: Daniel 7: 21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints and prevailed against them 22 until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the Most High and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.



The same horn” of Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, “stronger and better than any power the world has ever seen” (Donald Duck)… the same hornmade war with the saints”. This same Power of Consciousness (Humanism) that arose out of

19 the exceeding dreadful beast:— broke in pieces and trampled down” the ‘ten’, i.e., every, other worldview or ideology on earth.

23 The “Fourth Beast” that Daniel saw, is the “Ten Kings Worldwide Empire” that “shall arise”. It is the “diverse from all kingdoms”, “Little Horn Power” that would devour the whole earth and tread down and break in pieces 24 the ten horns that come out of this kingdom”. “One of them – <Rome> – shall rise after them, in that he shall be different from the “ten horns” and shall subdue three kings (Assyria, Medo-Persia and Greece).

25And he --- 23 The FourthWorldwideDiverse Kingdom… Horn-Power Beast – <Rome> – shall speak great words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change times and law.

And they [Assyria, Medo-Persia, Greece] 23 shall be given into his (Rome’s) hand until a time and times and the dividing of time”,

viz., until the end of time :–

Pagan Roman Empire <Rome> BC- ; 4th “King”

Pagan Roman Empire <Rome> -4BC; do.

Pagan Roman Empire <Rome> -321AD; do.

Papal Pre- Reformation <Rome> -1400AD; do.

Reformation and Contra Reformation <Rome> -1800AD;

Westminster Puritan Presbyterian <Rome> -1900AD;

Anglo American Dispensational Evangelical <Rome> –2000AD;

Collective West Liberal and Zionist Ecumenical <Rome>.


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How Seventh day Adventists create the LIE that Sunday worship overtook Sabbath observance 19. 20260313​

Finley:

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For over 400 years, the11:14 historical record is consistent. … How then was 11:24 the Sabbath changed? Jesus didn't do it. … The disciples couldn't do it … And God certainly wouldn't do it …



StopLook:


For over 400 years, for over 2000… for over 4000… for over 6000 years now, the historical and the Bible record is consistent … the Sabbath changed not. Was not changed. Never.



Finley:

So how did this take place in11:55 Daniel 7 verse 25? The Bible talks about the change of God's law. It talks about12:01 a power arising out of Rome that would have… that would claim

StopLook:

Exactly. That’s totally another matter, a power arising out of Rome “thinking”, <claiming>, it would <talk>, “speak”, “brag about” changing God's, times and law— that idea or power would not <arise> only <400 years> ago. O yes, it 400, 500, 600 years ago round about the time the Protestant Reformation started to gather momentum, surely and literally and literarily – so to speak –, augmented into “great words spoken against God”. But it started before historical recording, altogether. It began, “in the beginning (when) “God spakeand it was!Genesis, 1, 2, 3. Here, is how, it at first started… and here is where Seventh day Adventists, REFUSE: refuse to SEE, refuse to THINK, refuse to BELIEVE… refuse to believe WHAT, and what ONLY, “IS WRITTEN”. They who so insist the Sabbath is <a>, <memorial>, <of>, <the>, <creation>, before, the creation was “finished”? What are you talking?!

“The LORD spoke, Thou shalt not.”
THAT IS LAW—THE WORD OF GOD!

But man, Adam, till now, has a mouthful to say back, Its not my, fault, LORD, YOU, made me an ‘help’, the wife, YOU, made out of my, ‘neck’, LORD!’ That is long, long ago. So I went out, and hanged myself on a tree, and fell, and burst open, and spilled my guts… LORD!

23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden,

22 and the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the Tree of Life, and eat, and live for ever.

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Is Judas saved?

Did Judas “put forth his hand”, and did Judas “take of the Tree of Life”, and did Judas “eat-and-live”? “For ever”?




Luke 6:13 HE called his disciples to Him and chose : twelve of them, whom HE designated… not to eternal life? John 15:16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit—fruit that will remain—fruit the Father will give you.

Did Judas put forth his hand, and take also of the Tree of Life, and eat, and live, “forever”? Genesis 3:22The Word that in the beginning, was, says… YES !

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