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There you are, God alone is the one who lays down the foundation by which we can rightfully know Him, not the bible, which is a book of testimonies to God, whose name is Jesus. We have to come and call on the Lord God to hear the truth from Him, as well as to know Him rightfully by Himself, not by the Bible.
Absolutely! And He laid down those principles in the book we call the bible!
God alone is the one who reveals Himself to those who come to Him for their salvation and desire to know God wholeheartedly, in intimate and personal manner.
Yes we get to know Him by building a relationship with HIm. And His Word gives us the instructions on how to build a right relation with Him.
Again, you are perpetually elevating the Bible as if it were God, don’t you see it? Any doctrine or teaching that does not come out from the mouth of the Lord God is not from God. The bible is not God, btw.
And by what authority do you determine which "revelations" you receive are from God or from demons masquerading as angels of light?

Every doctrine and teaching in the bible came out of the mouth of god. why do you resist this unalterable truth?
 
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Because He tied Himself to His Word!

Matthew 4:4

But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.​

Matthew 4:4 is a directive to all men, who, in this context, shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. The Lord does not, in any manner, tie Himself to the scriptures, as you opined. Besides, He does not oblige us to live by every word written in the scriptures, per se. We need Jesus to teach us the things we shall put into practice in our daily lives, and this falls within the stage of following the Lord Jesus until the end for our salvation and eternal life.

2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:​


2 Timothy 3:16 belongs to Paul’s epistle, but the Lord Jesus did not teach that to His disciples, as written verbatim.

Psalm 119:105​

King James Version​

105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
Psalm 119:105 belongs to King David, and the phrase, ‘Thy word,’ does not refer to the scriptures, per se, but to the word that they heard coming out from the mouth of God.

Do not even think that the Bible today is the Word of God to avoid elevating it (bible) to the place of God lest you find yourself sinning bibliolatry, as in the sin of idolatry.

Btw, King David and Paul are not the Lord God Jesus Christ, nor is the bible.
 

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Absolutely! And He laid down those principles in the book we call the bible!
The bible was made by a council of men, not by the Lord Jesus Christ. If you want those principles you opined were from Jesus, come and call upon the Lord, and hear from Him, real and forever living, those principles coming out from His mouth.

Yes we get to know Him by building a relationship with HIm.
How will you do that?
And His Word gives us the instructions on how to build a right relation with Him.
The Lord Jesus Himself will give us the instructions if we come and call upon Him, and listen and follow Him when He responds. The bible can’t do this to us, come what may!
And by what authority do you determine which "revelations" you receive are from God or from demons masquerading as angels of light?
The Lord Jesus taught us for almost one (1) month on how to distinguish the works of Satan and His devil.
Every doctrine and teaching in the bible came out of the mouth of god. why do you resist this unalterable truth?
The heavily shaded portion is a big lie. What you’ve said above is, obviously, your own doctrine, which I’m vehemently resisting; it’s against my will.
 

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I find you to be incredibly rude and arrogant. That's not a fruit of the Spirit.
What specifically led you to say that you find me incredibly rude and arrogant? Did I hit you below the belt?

You come here demanding that we do not know Christ if we also use the scriptures?
I’m just following your line of reasoning, which, unfortunately, does not come from the mode of Christians’ reasoning. Christians’ source of faith in God emanates only from the real and forever living Christ Jesus, not from the scriptures, per se.
Just what is your deal?
Nothing, but to testify to the Lord God Jesus Christ, and to tell to all to come to Jesus alone for salvation and eternal life.
Why do you say I have never heard from the Lord?
You always emanate from the bible, instead of from what you have supposedly heard and learned from the Lord Jesus Christ. Also, you make the bible a sort of attachment to Jesus.
Can't you read what I have written to you before?
What, specifically???
Obviously not. I do not have to answer to you.
Okay, neither am I obliging you! We’re just sharing our thoughts, but of course, with frictions
I am not going to continue this dialogue further until you tell us why you disregard to writings of the apostles.

Jesus alone is far from more than enough for our salvation, is He not? Is Jesus not more than enough for the salvation of your soul? Would our souls not be saved if we disregarded the apostles’ writings in place of the Lord Himself, real and forever living? Do you have eternal life in the scriptures?

That is perhaps a discussion you need to engage in with someone here. Coming here and tossing around accusations wildly goes nowhere.
I’m expecting you to be a man who holds the truth from God, who never runs out of reasons to thwart the claims of those who professed to be God’s followers but in reality are not.
 

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What exactly is that path within, which you mentioned above?
Luke 17:21 "Neither will they say 'look here' or 'look there', for the Kingdom of God is within you"

Every path, no matter where it is, is longer than the path within.
 

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Luke 17:21 "Neither will they say 'look here' or 'look there', for the Kingdom of God is within you"

Every path, no matter where it is, is longer than the path within.
But you don’t know what that path within is, do you?
 

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Matthew 4:4 is a directive to all men, who, in this context, shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. The Lord does not, in any manner, tie Himself to the scriptures, as you opined. Besides, He does not oblige us to live by every word written in the scriptures, per se. We need Jesus to teach us the things we shall put into practice in our daily lives, and this falls within the stage of following the Lord Jesus until the end for our salvation and eternal life.
Let me ask you a serious question. If you believe Jesus has taught you adultery is wrong and another says Jesus taught Him adultery is fine, who is right? You both can't be. And if you think the other is wrong, on what basis do you say He is wrong?

You are seriously deceive3d! If you are a child of God- expect a severe crushing by God so He may remake you with a correct view.

If you are not a child of God- then you are in some of the normal deceptions of those who are not saved. Either way- you are in a very dark place.
 

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The bible was made by a council of men, not by the Lord Jesus Christ. If you want those principles you opined were from Jesus, come and call upon the Lord, and hear from Him, real and forever living, those principles coming out from His mouth.
You are so wrong. I can't teach you the truth you are unsilling to receive.
How will you do that?
Prayer, fellowship and the word of God. IOW spending time with Him and the spirit of god that dwells within believers
The Lord Jesus Himself will give us the instructions if we come and call upon Him, and listen and follow Him when He responds. The bible can’t do this to us, come what may!
Hundreds of millions of believers testify you have been lied to down through the centuries!
The Lord Jesus taught us for almost one (1) month on how to distinguish the works of Satan and His devil.
When did this one month teaching take place, and who was there, and how did He teach this group you are saying?
The heavily shaded portion is a big lie. What you’ve said above is, obviously, your own doctrine, which I’m vehemently resisting; it’s against my will.
Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

But then again, you reject this as a teaching come from God but a group of men. But tell me why should we reject the clear teachings of the Bible as authoratative and accept yours as authoratative.
 

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The Shortest Way To The Truth

There are two important things about knowing God and the salvation of our souls that we have to consider to keep ourselves away from deception, to wit:

1. Neither the bible nor John, Luke, Matthew, Paul, and the rest of the apostles is God.

2. Jesus is Immanuel, who is always beside us all the time. He is in a 24/7 watch mode for us who will come to Him and call on Him for the salvation of our souls.

Why do we have to be so obsessed with biblical accounts that we treat them as if they were the only source of truth about God and the salvation of our souls when Jesus is with us always, though we do not see Him yet? He can surely bring us to the truth if we come to Him and call on Him in the right way. Jesus, real and forever living God, is the only way to the truth about God and our salvation.
Clearly sounds like a Bible ATTACK!
 

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Let me ask you a serious question. If you believe Jesus has taught you adultery is wrong and another says Jesus taught Him adultery is fine, who is right?
The Lord Jesus alone.
You both can't be.
Exactly!
And if you think the other is wrong, on what basis do you say He is wrong?
Well, I can’t give you an answer since your premise is purely hyphothetical.
You are seriously deceive3d!
How can I be deceived when the message we heard absolutely came from the mouth of the Lord, and He said:

"All of you who are listening, listen carefully! I am your Lord God. Who are you afraid of? I am the Almighty. Who are you intimidated by? Remember, when I am by your side, you have nothing to fear, nothing to worry about, because I will save you from any calamity if you trust in Me and regard Me as your salvation and eternal life. As your Lord, whom you alone will worship and none other, I am the one true God existing in heaven, earth, or universe. I created all things, I gave you life. Where will you go? If not to Me, you have nowhere else to go.

"Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life. You will have nowhere to go but to calamity and suffering. But if you draw near to Me, you will attain nothing but peace – peace if you accept it, if you trust in Me, if you believe in Me with all your heart and all your love. Love Me with all your heart, and worship none other but Me, the one and only Lord.”

If you are a child of God- expect a severe crushing by God so He may remake you with a correct view.
Have you heard and learned this from God? How did you become a child of God, btw?
If you are not a child of God- then you are in some of the normal deceptions of those who are not saved. Either way- you are in a very dark place.
What exactly did you find in me that led you to say I’m in a very dark place when what we’ve heard and learned from the Lord Jesus Christ is all I’m sharing with you?
 

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But you don’t know what that path within is, do you?
I know it because God gives it to me, and I know it because when God gives it to me, it is shorter than anything else He could give me.

The topic is "the shortest way to the truth": I think God is wise, when He gives me that way.
 

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Fear the most forever if the attack is on the real and forever living Christ Jesus, the Almighty God! The bible is not God.
Who said the Bible is God????? It's the written Word of God!
 

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I know it because God gives it to me, and I know it because when God gives it to me, it is shorter than anything else He could give me.
How did God give the shortest path to you? Does God talk to you?
The topic is "the shortest way to the truth": I think God is wise, when He gives me that way.
True, God is full of wisdom! Can you now specifically mention what that shorter way is? Hope we’re not running in circles here.
 

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The Lord Jesus Himself will give us the instructions if we come and call upon Him, and listen and follow Him when He responds. The bible can’t do this to us, come what may!

The bible does give us the instructions to follow Jesus and seek the ways of God. To teach contrary to this is to present another gospel.
 

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The Shortest Way To The Truth

There are two important things about knowing God and the salvation of our souls that we have to consider to keep ourselves away from deception, to wit:

1. Neither the bible nor John, Luke, Matthew, Paul, and the rest of the apostles is God.

2. Jesus is Immanuel, who is always beside us all the time. He is in a 24/7 watch mode for us who will come to Him and call on Him for the salvation of our souls.

Why do we have to be so obsessed with biblical accounts that we treat them as if they were the only source of truth about God and the salvation of our souls when Jesus is with us always, though we do not see Him yet? He can surely bring us to the truth if we come to Him and call on Him in the right way. Jesus, real and forever living God, is the only way to the truth about God and our salvation.
quite crafity you are my friend .
But what you do not realize is
WHILE YOU ARE CORRECT ITS ALL ABOUT BELEIVING ON JESUS THE CHRIST .,,,
Many are coming to another jesus and that one is omitting t hings THE REAL JESUS SAID .
SO my ad vice is every man woman and child GET IN THAT BIBLE and learn OF THE T RUE ONE fast .
Cause we got major problems in the house of chrisetendom .
Many have come to the wrong love god the wrong jesus and by means of their love
ACTUALLY NOW PREACH REBELLION towards THE TRUE GOD AND HIS CHRIST .
Satan can lie and he will bring another jesus and another gospel unto the people . BUT THE SHEEP
aint heeding his countless number o men and women in wool who do nothing but down play the importance of the scrips
In favor of another jesus another god . You think YA wise . You are not . You aint fooling me friend .
Only yourself . And believe me I DO DESIRE ONLY GOOD FOR YOU . SO OPEN bible and get in it and read it .
 
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The Shortest Way To The Truth

There are two important things about knowing God and the salvation of our souls that we have to consider to keep ourselves away from deception, to wit:

1. Neither the bible nor John, Luke, Matthew, Paul, and the rest of the apostles is God.

2. Jesus is Immanuel, who is always beside us all the time. He is in a 24/7 watch mode for us who will come to Him and call on Him for the salvation of our souls.

Why do we have to be so obsessed with biblical accounts that we treat them as if they were the only source of truth about God and the salvation of our souls when Jesus is with us always, though we do not see Him yet? He can surely bring us to the truth if we come to Him and call on Him in the right way. Jesus, real and forever living God, is the only way to the truth about God and our salvation.
Great must be you, for you went to the unseen god, called upon him and he responded.

Your courage have gained you salvation. Your own hand had brought you salvation.

Tell us greatness, how did you called upon the unseen god and what did you say to subdue his will and glory?
 

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quite crafity you are my friend .
But what you do not realize is
WHILE YOU ARE CORRECT ITS ALL ABOUT BELEIVING ON JESUS THE CHRIST .,,,
Many are coming to another jesus and that one is omitting t hings THE REAL JESUS SAID .
SO my ad vice is every man woman and child GET IN THAT BIBLE and learn OF THE T RUE ONE fast .
Cause we got major problems in the house of chrisetendom .
Many have come to the wrong love god the wrong jesus and by means of their love
ACTUALLY NOW PREACH REBELLION towards THE TRUE GOD AND HIS CHRIST .
Satan can lie and he will bring another jesus and another gospel unto the people . BUT THE SHEEP
aint heeding his countless number o men and women in wool who do nothing but down play the importance of the scrips
In favor of another jesus another god . You think YA wise . You are not . You aint fooling me friend .
Only yourself . And believe me I DO DESIRE ONLY GOOD FOR YOU . SO OPEN bible and get in it and read it .
@amigo de christo
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The Lord Jesus alone.
That is a non-answer answer. If jesus tells you adultery is ok and jesus tells another adultery is wrong, who heard from jesus and who didn't and how do you discern
Well, I can’t give you an answer since your premise is purely hyphothetical.
Well then, you have not interacted with a broad range of people who call themselves believers then. And you can answer it it is not a hard question to answer. why do you hesitate.
"All of you who are listening, listen carefully! I am your Lord God. Who are you afraid of? I am the Almighty. Who are you intimidated by? Remember, when I am by your side, you have nothing to fear, nothing to worry about, because I will save you from any calamity if you trust in Me and regard Me as your salvation and eternal life. As your Lord, whom you alone will worship and none other, I am the one true God existing in heaven, earth, or universe. I created all things, I gave you life. Where will you go? If not to Me, you have nowhere else to go.

"Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life. You will have nowhere to go but to calamity and suffering. But if you draw near to Me, you will attain nothing but peace – peace if you accept it, if you trust in Me, if you believe in Me with all your heart and all your love. Love Me with all your heart, and worship none other but Me, the one and only Lord.”
Saved from any calamity? do not tell that to millions of believers over the centuries who have died in floods, firs, famines, earthquakes, tsunamis, persections etc.
Have you heard and learned this from God? How did you become a child of God, btw?
The biblical way, by trusting in the death, burial and physical resurrection of jesus for the full payment of my sin debt. How did you become a child of God?
What exactly did you find in me that led you to say I’m in a very dark place when what we’ve heard and learned from the Lord Jesus Christ is all I’m sharing with you?
Because if you do not accept the bible as the inspired Word of God, you are like a boatr adrift on the ocean without rudder and sail. You have nothing to determine the voices and revelations you hear are actually from god or not. You have to rely on feelings, instincts or whatever you rely on to verify the voice you hear is actually Gods.
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That is a non-answer answer. If jesus tells you adultery is ok and jesus tells another adultery is wrong, who heard from jesus and who didn't and how do you discern

Well then, you have not interacted with a broad range of people who call themselves believers then. And you can answer it it is not a hard question to answer. why do you hesitate.

Saved from any calamity? do not tell that to millions of believers over the centuries who have died in floods, firs, famines, earthquakes, tsunamis, persections etc.

The biblical way, by trusting in the death, burial and physical resurrection of jesus for the full payment of my sin debt. How did you become a child of God?

Because if you do not accept the bible as the inspired Word of God, you are like a boatr adrift on the ocean without rudder and sail. You have nothing to determine the voices and revelations you hear are actually from god or not. You have to rely on feelings, instincts or whatever you rely on to verify the voice you hear is actually Gods.
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Exactly .
Exactly my friend .
 
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