THE LAST TRUMP EXPLAINED

Doug said:

[1 Corinthians 15:52 KJV] "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." *********** There are a number of interpretations as to what the last trump is. The last trump explanation isn't found in the trumpets of Revelation. The meaning of the last trump is imbedded in the verse.
The trumpet will sound ........... The first trumpet will sound and the dead shall be raised.
The last trump.......... at the last trump we shall be changed

[1 Corinthians 15:51 KJV] "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"
[1 Corinthians 15:52 KJV] "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." *********** I will put this all together;

Behold, I shew you a mystery, we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump. The first trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible. The last trump will then sound, after the dead are raised, then we who are alive shall be changed.

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Who is teaching you this twisitng of the Scriptures?

There is not even an implication of a first trump! What would be the first trump to your false teacher anyhow????

If anything the term the last trump may correspond to the Jewish festival of trumpets. It is a 3 day event where 100 trumpet blast are blown in three series. Series 1 is 90 trumpet blasts. Series two is three sets of three short staccato trumpet blasts. Series three or the 100th trumpet sound is: the trumpeters on the ledge by the temple entrance would take in as much air as they could and with a long loud blast blow the shofar until they ran out of breath. This trumpet blast in Hebrew is called Tekiah Gedolah or in english, the great trump or the last trump. As all Jewish feasts have their corresponding fulfilment either in Jesus or the church, the feast of trumps may correspond to the rapture of the church.

Doug said:

[1 Corinthians 15:52 KJV] "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." *********** There are a number of interpretations as to what the last trump is. The last trump explanation isn't found in the trumpets of Revelation. The meaning of the last trump is imbedded in the verse.
The trumpet will sound ........... The first trumpet will sound and the dead shall be raised.
The last trump.......... at the last trump we shall be changed

[1 Corinthians 15:51 KJV] "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"
[1 Corinthians 15:52 KJV] "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." *********** I will put this all together;

Behold, I shew you a mystery, we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump. The first trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible. The last trump will then sound, after the dead are raised, then we who are alive shall be changed.

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Without you elaborating more...it sounds like you are referring to the first and second resurrection, or two different trumps other than the seven of Revelation.

Perhaps you should elaborate. Also, how is it that you come by your information?

Doug said:

Please show me where in scripture is this Tekiah Gedolah found?

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From google:
The tekiah gedolah ("great blast") is the final, extra-long shofar blast sounded at the end of the Rosh Hashanah service. It serves as a climactic, triumphant conclusion to the shofar sequences, symbolizing hope, redemption, and the gathering of exiles. This sound is known for requiring immense breath control from the blower.

rebuilder 454 said:

From google:
The tekiah gedolah ("great blast") is the final, extra-long shofar blast sounded at the end of the Rosh Hashanah service. It serves as a climactic, triumphant conclusion to the shofar sequences, symbolizing hope, redemption, and the gathering of exiles. This sound is known for requiring immense breath control from the blower.

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Don't tell postribbers.

It ain't in their workbook.

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Doug said:

Fine, please show me where the word appears in scripture please

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" Last Trump"
All Jews, would know what it is.


( a good article)

The point is, it is blown every year at "trumpets".
So it is not enough to form doctrine either way.
Once a position is exposed as an impossibility, there can be very little honest debate.
One side is in deception.
The thing of deception is, the one decieved is unaware of his deception.
I have a friend that worships the democratic party. I try to float truth in front of him.
Totally futile.
Totally zombie mental deficiency.
Investigation for him is off the table.

Their deal is lies and twisting of most everything.

Facts lined up is the method.
Dots connected in facts.

The trumpet thingy can be adjusted for any position.
Same with "last day"

Doug said:

Yes it refers to the rapture. of the body of Christ dead and alive,
It speaks of when Christ comes and we who are alive are resurrected

I learned it from one of the online pastors

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It's just that you are being so vague...not much "explained" as it were.

And why do you use "rapture" instead of the biblical use of "resurrection?" It just causes confusion.

It is in and by the "resurrection" that all are "changed" from "this corruptible / this mortal" to "incorruptible / immortal." In other words, the so-called "rapture" has been adopted to describe the rapturous nature of the "change" that occurs in the "resurrection." Which, yes, this occurs for some in death (those not born again while "alive"), and some while "alive" (those born again while "alive")...which are "the dead" in Christ and "the living" in Christ (Romans 14:7-9).

Doug said:

I looked up last trump in Bible concordance
Your word tekiah gedolah isnt there
Here is the last trump
last.........The KJV translates Strong's G2078 in the following manner: last (46x), lowest (2x), uttermost (2x), last state (2x), ends (1x), latter end (1x).
trump........The KJV translates Strong's G4536 in the following manner: trumpet (9x), trump (2x).

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From google:
The tekiah gedolah ("great blast") is the final, extra-long shofar blast sounded at the end of the Rosh Hashanah service. It serves as a climactic, triumphant conclusion to the shofar sequences,

You can not connect the dots?

Think "last" = final
And "blast" = a shofar =a trumpet.

I don't have a dog in that fight as I don't Cling to an impossible post trib doctrine, based off of:
"trump" , "last trump" , "last day", "darby", "left behind movie", or any of the postribbers magic silly inventions.

ScottA said:

It's just that you are being so vague...not much "explained" as it were.

And why do you use "rapture" instead of the biblical use of "resurrection?" It just causes confusion.

It is in and by the "resurrection" that all are "changed" from "this corruptible / this mortal" to "incorruptible / immortal." In other words, the so-called "rapture" has been adopted to describe the rapturous nature of the "change" that occurs in the "resurrection." Which, yes, this occurs for some in death (those not born again while "alive"), and some while "alive" (those born again while "alive")...which are "the dead" in Christ and "the living" in Christ (Romans 14:7-9).

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1 thes 4 the living are gathered with the dead.

Calling the rapture of 1 thes 4 , the resurrection, is for doctrinal purposes.

rebuilder 454 said:

1 thes 4 the living are gathered with the dead.

Calling the rapture of 1 thes 4 , the resurrection, is for doctrinal purposes.

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Yes, many different words and terms have been used to describe many real and godly events--even by God. But men have indeed made some of those descriptive terms into other doctrines as if each word or term is a separate event.

God’s greater purpose in doing so is like a drag net to gather many together. But mens use often divides. Unfortunately.

Doug said:

Please show me where in scripture is this Tekiah Gedolah found?

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Go look up the feast of trumps! Do some real work for a change.

Doug said:

The trumpet will sound ........... The first trumpet will sound and the dead shall be raised.

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Show me from Scripture where this first trumpet causes a resurrection.

Doug said:

Please show me where in scripture is this Tekiah Gedolah found?

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Feast of Trumpets - Trumpet Blasts​

9/1/2020 by Brian Thomas
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BIBLE MEDITATION:
Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work on it; and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD.’” – Leviticus 23:23-25

DEVOTIONAL THOUGHT:
The Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) occurs on the first two days of the Jewish New Year which is the month of Tishri. The Feast is recorded in the book of Leviticus.

There are a total of one hundred trumpet blasts during the Feast. They are categorized as follows:

Tekiah
The first category is known as the tekiah. It is a long single blast – a straight, plain, smooth continuous note. Its purpose is to symbolize joy and contentment.

Shevarim
The second category is known as the shevarim. It consists of three short blasts – a combination of three broken notes which serves to symbolize weeping.

Truah
The third category is known as the truah. It consists of nine extremely short blasts – staccato notes in quick successions. Its purpose is to symbolize trepidation, sorrow, and sobbing.

Tekiah Gedolah
The fourth category is known as the tekiah gedolah. It consists of one long final blast – “the great tekiah” or “the last trump” which serves to symbolize redemption.

During the ceremony, the first three categories are repeated until there is a total of ninety-nine blasts. Then comes the one-hundredth blast, the tekiah gedolah, also known as the “last trump”. Most Christians (the Church) do not celebrate this Feast but it is important for the Church to be familiar with it. The Apostle Paul wrote about the Catching Away of the Church, also known as the Rapture:



See this is what the Jews understood as "the last trump". It was in their mindset and cultural understanding. It is a tragedy that you refuse to learn how the people of the day understood thingss and instead force your definitions on things. You coming up with your own interpretations is forbidden by God!

Doug said:

I already found out its not in scripture so its not relevant

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Cars are not in Scriupture, so to you they must not be relavent as well.

but the feast of trumps is in there. It is too bad you are so benighted and myopic as to not go to the source to find out how they celebrated the feast. Instead you use your narrow focused 21st century mindset to define ther BV.C. to A.D. Jewish feast. that is arrogance.

Doug said:

[1 Corinthians 15:52 KJV] "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

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And you think that is a first rump???? You should quit trying to teach on these threads until you learn basic English. You cannot even rightly divide an english translation of Scripture. "The trumpet that shall sound refers back to the last trump! Don't believe me. go see a first grade grammar school teacher and learn something for a change.

Doug said:

Did Jesus drive a car then, but just not recorded. Was it an electric car?

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No and there are no two trumps mentioned in your passage! But that takes a bare minimal knowledge of language construction to know that. In all your reponses you seem to not have that basic education.

Doug said:

Try reading it this way

the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed at the last trump:

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Well if I wished to rewrite Scripture, I could read it that way. but I do not seek to be chastened of the Lord by altering His word like you just did. It cannot be retranslated as you did without changing Gods word.That is what the lost do.

Whew! I thought this was going to be another political thread.

Doug said:

I am not rewriting scripture. I am only clarifying this verse to make it easier to understand

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And by whose authority do you retranslate this passage from how it is written? You have had to alter the plain easy meaning of the passage to "make it easier to understand". You can call it what you will, that is retranslating the passage.

Doug said:

[1 Corinthians 15:52 KJV] "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." *********** There are a number of interpretations as to what the last trump is. The last trump explanation isn't found in the trumpets of Revelation. The meaning of the last trump is imbedded in the verse.
The trumpet will sound ........... The first trumpet will sound and the dead shall be raised.
The last trump.......... at the last trump we shall be changed

[1 Corinthians 15:51 KJV] "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"
[1 Corinthians 15:52 KJV] "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." *********** I will put this all together;

Behold, I shew you a mystery, we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump. The first trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible. The last trump will then sound, after the dead are raised, then we who are alive shall be changed.

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I'm sorry Doug I think in this case you are misunderstanding simple sentence structure.