Uh oh, brother......be very careful here. We are to keep the holy and profane/common SEPARATED. There is a vast difference between ministers of the church in Christ's body as opposed to governments which do not belong to the body of Christ. Governments are of the world....they are "ministers of God" in a very different sense than the church. God created the Destroyer to work havoc - doesn't mean we consider the Destroyer as belonging to the body of Christ or that we should follow him. Nebuchadnezzar was given his power/authority/position by God.....he was called the destroyer of the Gentiles.....it doesn't mean he belonged to the people of God or that God's people were to follow his ways or his gods. And we can read about how he acted at various times. Hitler and the Caesars of Rome were likewise permitted by God to rise to power. God in His sovereignty is the one who raises and lowers kings and kingdoms in this world, according to the scripture. But this in no wise means they are of Him of or of His kingdom.In Colossians 1, Paul is also pretty bold in what he says to the church
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24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh, for His body’s sake, which is the church,
25 of which I am made a minister according to the dispensation of God, which is given to me for you, to fulfill the Word of God—
26 even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to His saints.
27 To them God would make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
28 Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus,
29 for which I also labor, striving according to His working, which worketh in me mightily.
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Government officials are also God's minister to you
Romans 13
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but from God; the powers that be are ordained by God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God, and those who resist shall receive for themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same,
4 for he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid, for he beareth not the sword in vain; for he is the minister of God, an avenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Therefore ye must be subject not only for wrath, but also for conscience’ sake.
6 For, for this cause pay ye tribute also, for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due, custom to whom custom, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
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And Peter said of heathen Roman emperors, often godless they were, to honor them as appointed by God
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Peter 2 - 21st Century King James Version
Therefore laying aside all malice and all guile, and hypocrisy and envy and all evil speaking, as newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the Word, that ye may grow thereby, if so it be that ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. Coming to Him as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed by...www.biblegateway.com
11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul,
12 having your way of life honest among the Gentiles, that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether it be to the king as supreme,
14 or unto governors as unto those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do well.
15 For so is the will of God, that with welldoing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men”
16 as free, and not using your liberty as a cloak for maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
17 Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.
19 For this is thankworthy: if a man, because of his conscience toward God, endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what glory is it if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? But if when ye do well and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
21 For even unto this were ye called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow His steps,
22 “who did no sin, neither was guile found in His mouth”;
23 who when He was reviled, reviled not in return; when He suffered, He threatened not, but committed Himself to Him that judgeth righteously;
24 who His own self bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness; by whose stripes ye were healed.
25 For ye were as sheep going astray, but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
Trump and Politics
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Listening to "flatteries". When the people give their power to a ruler....well they forget that power corrupts..
Sleight of hand like a magician...now you see it now you don't. Hands (mouth) always in motion. Remember that magicians and their magic are aligned with the dark side.
Saying one thing one minute and something else another, and people only take away what they want to believe while ignoring the rest.
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
yes indeed dear sister . As if . Someone is being lifted up , as was nebb , into great pride .
Trump loves to be viewed as the savoir of america and now even the world . Their is
easily seen within him the desire
OF
I SHALL ASCEND above the heavens . PRIDE . I dont even think he tries to hide this either as do others .
One thing about Trump , He does not try and hide his desire for to be seen as the savoir and bringer
of peace unto Israel and the world . The popes do a better job of hiding their own pride .
Pride . Was the downfall of the dark one and it will be the downfall of the entire world
and all who followed the darkness into rebellion against the TRUE GOD and HIS TRUE CHRIST .
And that is exactly what ecumenical interfaith is doing and will do .
People would marvel at the god like status these elites see themselves as ..........
Why even one said , he beleived he was the COLLECTIVE conscious of the world .
People would marvel at what pride can do to a man . Make him ev en see himself IN THE STEAD of GOD himself .
Rebellion is being taught by both and by all sides now . Jesus has HIS SHEEP and HIS SHEEP
shall follow HIM . our home , our city , our kingdom , our mount zion IS HEAVENLY .
And our hopes be not in the earthen or in its men .
Cursed is the man whose hopes be in man
but BLESSED is the man whose hope be in GOD .
Yes we are to give honour to whom it is due....to those God places in position of authority. We need the reminder in these days. And this is why not even the angels revile Satan. Daniel is a good example to look at........how he gave due honour to Nebby as king, but also drew the line when it meant violating God's laws.In Colossians 1, Paul is also pretty bold in what he says to the church
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24 I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is lacking of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh, for His body’s sake, which is the church,
25 of which I am made a minister according to the dispensation of God, which is given to me for you, to fulfill the Word of God—
26 even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to His saints.
27 To them God would make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
28 Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus,
29 for which I also labor, striving according to His working, which worketh in me mightily.
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Government officials are also God's minister to you
Romans 13
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but from God; the powers that be are ordained by God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God, and those who resist shall receive for themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same,
4 for he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid, for he beareth not the sword in vain; for he is the minister of God, an avenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Therefore ye must be subject not only for wrath, but also for conscience’ sake.
6 For, for this cause pay ye tribute also, for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due, custom to whom custom, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And Peter said of heathen Roman emperors, often godless they were, to honor them as appointed by God
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Peter 2 - 21st Century King James Version
Therefore laying aside all malice and all guile, and hypocrisy and envy and all evil speaking, as newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the Word, that ye may grow thereby, if so it be that ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. Coming to Him as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed by...
11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul,
12 having your way of life honest among the Gentiles, that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.
13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether it be to the king as supreme,
14 or unto governors as unto those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do well.
15 For so is the will of God, that with welldoing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men”
16 as free, and not using your liberty as a cloak for maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
17 Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.
19 For this is thankworthy: if a man, because of his conscience toward God, endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what glory is it if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? But if when ye do well and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
21 For even unto this were ye called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow His steps,
22 “who did no sin, neither was guile found in His mouth”;
23 who when He was reviled, reviled not in return; when He suffered, He threatened not, but committed Himself to Him that judgeth righteously;
24 who His own self bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness; by whose stripes ye were healed.
25 For ye were as sheep going astray, but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
2Pe 2:10-11
But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
I am sometimes having a hard time watching what is going on in my own country.....watching it being stolen and flushed down the pipe in front of my eyes........the lies and deception and propaganda that about half the country are being duped by, and not always keeping my mouth and attitude in check. Even though I believe and know it is God's righteous judgment, it is galling and difficult to watch what is happening.
Amen. And the people who love to have it so....who give their power to someone other than God....will bear their responsibility for it.
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
Many have long forgotten , IF ever they even knew , TO BLEND has never worked to the good of any who did so .
Just like one cannot love God and mammon for he will cling to the one and despise the other .
YE cannot hope and cling to the earthen and the heavenly .
IT will always be ONE or THE OTHER . And the blending of the two under guise it is of GOD
HAS NEVER BODE WELL at all . Always CONFORM or perish will and do arise . ALWAYS blood has followed .
And always GOD was sold out and done so MORE and more as the earthen unholy kingdom
adapts and always changes with the times .
The cries of A harlot have been . Times and cries of the great gathering
whether called ecumiencal or etc have been done .
AND in time always CONFORM OR DIE has followed it . THIS WILL BE NO DIFFERENT .
ONLY the BLOOD will be massively larger , For it is world wide
and while man has not evoloved nor ever will , HIS TECHNOLOGY SURE HAS .
Much power is given UNTO the beast .
WHO can make war with it . And it will have power over all tribes , tongues , nations and kings .
But if they can be allowed , as it has been so through all ages , to persecute and even put to death the saints ,
WHAT DO YOU THINK is gonna come upon those who had REJECTED the LOVE OF THE TRUTH and had
merged as one UNDER THE LIE . HOW MUCH WORSE do you suppose will come upon them all .
So , the sheep are sticking to JESUS THE CHRIST , our kingdom be heavenly and its the gospel
and all sound doctrine that be our meat . Anything contrary to that , VAINITY and bad news and wont bode well .
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
Pope Leo XIV meets with former Obama adviser David Axelrod. Could he meet with former president soon?
ByChris Tye
April 9, 2026 / 4:51 PM CDT / CBS Chicago
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Pope Leo XIV on Thursday met with David Axelrod, a longtime Democratic strategist and former senior advisor to former President Barack Obama.
The meeting has many wondering if the pope might soon have a formal meeting with Obama himself.
Leo was born in Chicago and raised in south suburban Dolton. While Axelrod was born in New York, like Obama, he attended the University of Chicago, and after working as a reporter at the Chicago Tribune in the 1980s, he later helped Obama get elected president in 2008.
While the Vatican did not provide any details on Axelrod's meeting with Leo on Thursday, six weeks ago, Obama made it clear he'd like to meet his hometown pope.
"Being president, or even being an ex-president, I can kind of meet everybody. So, I've met a lot of folks. The person who I have not yet met, and that I'm looking forward to meeting – and I hope I get an opportunity sometime in the future – is the new pope, who's from Chicago, and a White Sox fan," Obama said on Bryan Tyler Cohen's podcast in February.
Axelrod hasn't shared details of his meeting with the pope, but his former boss is two months out from opening the Obama Presidential Center on the South Side of Chicago.
Meantime, the pope has been as vocal as any predecessor about American wars. In his Easter Sunday message, he said he was "asking people of goodwill to search always for peace and not violence, to reject war, especially a war which many people have said is an unjust war, which is continuing to escalate and is not resolving anything."
In recent months, the Vatican has said the pope is unlikely to come to the U.S. in 2026, because it's an election year. So, what's really going on?
Christopher Hale, who is writing a book on the pope and American politics, said all signs point to the meeting Obama wanted.
"It's a surprise. Obviously, [Axelrod is] not someone you'd expect to meet with Pope Leo XIV," Hale said. "We're not 100% sure that this is connected to that, but the timing is auspicious."
In November, Gov. JB Pritzker traveled to the Vatican to meet with the pope. A number of Illinois mayors also have met with Leo since he became pontiff.
President Donald Trump still has not met Leo, who insiders said is keenly aware of how the political winds blow and how meetings and messages are perceived.
"Pope Leo XIV is an American. He consumes American media vociferiously. He's an iPhone user. He's not disconnected from reality," Hale said.
Axelrod did not respond to a request for comment on his meeting with the pope.
Pope Leo XIV meets with former Obama adviser David Axelrod. Could he meet with former president soon?
Pope Leo XIV on Thursday met with David Axelrod, a longtime Democratic strategist and former senior advisor to former President Barack Obama.
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Amen. I pray the Lord to be with His people who will be living through those times, which aren't far away....that His grace and strength and peace be with them mightily, that the Lord would give them a vision of what awaits them in eternity, to hold onto, and that they remain faithful even unto death.
Sure sounds like these Popes are of the world, doesn't it.Pope Leo XIV meets with former Obama adviser David Axelrod. Could he meet with former president soon?
By
Chris Tye
April 9, 2026 / 4:51 PM CDT / CBS Chicago
Add CBS News on Google
Pope Leo XIV on Thursday met with David Axelrod, a longtime Democratic strategist and former senior advisor to former President Barack Obama.
The meeting has many wondering if the pope might soon have a formal meeting with Obama himself.
Leo was born in Chicago and raised in south suburban Dolton. While Axelrod was born in New York, like Obama, he attended the University of Chicago, and after working as a reporter at the Chicago Tribune in the 1980s, he later helped Obama get elected president in 2008.
While the Vatican did not provide any details on Axelrod's meeting with Leo on Thursday, six weeks ago, Obama made it clear he'd like to meet his hometown pope.
"Being president, or even being an ex-president, I can kind of meet everybody. So, I've met a lot of folks. The person who I have not yet met, and that I'm looking forward to meeting – and I hope I get an opportunity sometime in the future – is the new pope, who's from Chicago, and a White Sox fan," Obama said on Bryan Tyler Cohen's podcast in February.
Axelrod hasn't shared details of his meeting with the pope, but his former boss is two months out from opening the Obama Presidential Center on the South Side of Chicago.
Meantime, the pope has been as vocal as any predecessor about American wars. In his Easter Sunday message, he said he was "asking people of goodwill to search always for peace and not violence, to reject war, especially a war which many people have said is an unjust war, which is continuing to escalate and is not resolving anything."
In recent months, the Vatican has said the pope is unlikely to come to the U.S. in 2026, because it's an election year. So, what's really going on?
Christopher Hale, who is writing a book on the pope and American politics, said all signs point to the meeting Obama wanted.
"It's a surprise. Obviously, [Axelrod is] not someone you'd expect to meet with Pope Leo XIV," Hale said. "We're not 100% sure that this is connected to that, but the timing is auspicious."
In November, Gov. JB Pritzker traveled to the Vatican to meet with the pope. A number of Illinois mayors also have met with Leo since he became pontiff.
President Donald Trump still has not met Leo, who insiders said is keenly aware of how the political winds blow and how meetings and messages are perceived.
"Pope Leo XIV is an American. He consumes American media vociferiously. He's an iPhone user. He's not disconnected from reality," Hale said.
Axelrod did not respond to a request for comment on his meeting with the pope.
Pope Leo XIV meets with former Obama adviser David Axelrod. Could he meet with former president soon?
Pope Leo XIV on Thursday met with David Axelrod, a longtime Democratic strategist and former senior advisor to former President Barack Obama.
Both secular rulers and faith filled apostles are God's ministers for your good.
That's God's will for all of us.
The powers that be are ordained of God to punish evil doers, and praise those who do good deeds.
Peter and Paul teach that very thing.
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13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether it be to the king as supreme,
14 or unto governors as unto those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do well.
15 For so is the will of God, that with welldoing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men”
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3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same,
4 for he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid, for he beareth not the sword in vain; for he is the minister of God, an avenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Therefore ye must be subject not only for wrath, but also for conscience’ sake.
6 For, for this cause pay ye tribute also, for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
For what i say to one i now say to all
Many have come , lived and died throughout all generations .
And this life is but a vapor . But unto all who LIVED UNTO CHRIST
THEY shall FOREVER LIVE and not die , WITH HE who had saved them . whose faith WAS and IS IN HIM .
Faithful TO THE END . JESUS has always been with the sheep .
YES . Even when they were beaten and tormented and even k illed .
THIS LIFE is but as a morning dew , it lasts but for a short time and then vanishes away .
But unto those whose faith and hope was and is IN JESUS THE CHRIST
oh they shall never die , but have eternal life and forever shall be WITH THE LORD .
To live is Christ and to die is only gain . THE FAR BETTER awaits the sheep at the end of our life and of this world .
A new heavens and new earth , A HOME , a new body , whereforever they shall praise and thank
the HOLY ONE OF GOD , WHO had saved them . OH YES sister , SOMETHING far better awaits the sheep .
AND ONLY , ONLY because of what CHRIST DID for us .
But on that note i must say something far far worse awaits all WHO DENIED HIM . and i do mean FAR WORSE .
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
It's political. All this fake outrage because the Pope said something and Trump said something.
The object of the game is to keep everyone divided.
Because when everyone is divided we spend more time and energy fighting among ourselves rather than putting that attention to the ones trying to divide us.
It's going to get crazy from now until 2030. I would suggest everyone go out and walk in the grass, grow yourself a garden, go swimming in a pool or go to the beach. Enjoy your life while you can because age sneaks up on you all too quick. And before you know it you can't do the things you want to do. And you spent all your time on Tik Tok or X letting them suck the life right out of you.
Keep your focus on the Lord. He is doing some very interesting things in the world today and some is truly none of our business.
God is in charge.
Hugs
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
not when those so called apostles and so called leaders
LEAD THIS PEOPLE right to ANTI CHRIST by the means of an ecumeincal harlot .
WOE wail and double woe wial unto them . And we better ALL watch out .
Cause ecuminecism is not only ON THE LEFT , its all OVER THE NAR REALM TOO .
WE , my dear friend , are being DECIEVED . They all have one agenda and will and have worked it in different ways
unto their own side . And what both sides seem to have in absolute common is
THAT JESUS IS BEING DENIED and they darn sure seem to LOVE to have this so .
And the path to what THEY T HINK is GOD sure has grown very large , very sin accepting and UNBELIEF accepting .
Now that be the BROAD WAY and its end WILL BE DESTRUCTION .
How many times must i remind us JESUS DID NOT COME to bring peace on earth .
BUT SOMEONE ELSE SURE DO and by HIS ANTI CHRIST peace , SHALL DESTROY MANY .
JESUS IS being and has been DENIED by this ecum eincal love cry of a harlot who sits over and upon many waters .
And has the hearts of the kings and leaders of this world and even the false relgioins and YES even much of christendom
and its leaders , WRAPPED UP IN A LIE they think be love and think will bring peace to man and the world .
ONLY ITS LIE DENIED the dire need TO BLEIEVE ON THE TRUE SAVOIR OF ISRAEL and THE WORLD .
SO it wont have PEACE WITH GOD . THE ONLY , and i do mean ONLY , WAY that anyone can have peace
with GOD IS BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST WHO RECONCILES US TO GOD .
Now as for this anti christ peace , NO PEACE SHALL BE GIVEN UNTO IT BY GOD . SUDDEN DESTRUCTION WILL .
God has ordered His government over the nations.
Are you going to be lawless?
Something I have learned is the government of God in my life, I learned to acknowledge that God works out all things in my life for good.
Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Isaiah 9 speaks of His government, and this is not just in the future, but for now also.
Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end.
1 Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first He lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward more grievously afflicted her by the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, in Galilee of the nations.
2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light; they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.
3 Thou hast multiplied the nation and not increased the joy; they joy before Thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.
4 For Thou hast broken the yoke of his burden and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, as in the day of Midian.
5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise and garments rolled in blood, but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.
6 For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder. And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David and upon His Kingdom, to order it and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
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God established all the nations and their appointed times, and the extents of their boundaries. God laid out the entire world as a master builder. God the Father and Son, have been in control from the beginning of everything, all things were made by, for, to, and through Him.
Acts 17
24 God who made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of Heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands.
25 Neither is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, seeing He giveth to all life, and breath, and all things.
26 And He hath made of one blood all nations of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation,
27 that they should seek the Lord, if perhaps they might feel after Him and find Him, though He be not far from every one of us.
28 For in Him we live, and move, and have our being; as also certain of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’
29 “For inasmuch, then, as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold or silver or stone, graven by art and of man’s devising.
30 The times of this ignorance God overlooked, but now He commandeth all men everywhere to repent,
31 because He hath appointed a Day in which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom He hath ordained. Of this He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead.”
Are you going to be lawless?
Something I have learned is the government of God in my life, I learned to acknowledge that God works out all things in my life for good.
Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Isaiah 9 speaks of His government, and this is not just in the future, but for now also.
Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end.
1 Nevertheless the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at the first He lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, and afterward more grievously afflicted her by the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, in Galilee of the nations.
2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light; they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.
3 Thou hast multiplied the nation and not increased the joy; they joy before Thee according to the joy in harvest, and as men rejoice when they divide the spoil.
4 For Thou hast broken the yoke of his burden and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, as in the day of Midian.
5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise and garments rolled in blood, but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.
6 For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder. And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David and upon His Kingdom, to order it and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
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God established all the nations and their appointed times, and the extents of their boundaries. God laid out the entire world as a master builder. God the Father and Son, have been in control from the beginning of everything, all things were made by, for, to, and through Him.
Acts 17
24 God who made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of Heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands.
25 Neither is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, seeing He giveth to all life, and breath, and all things.
26 And He hath made of one blood all nations of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation,
27 that they should seek the Lord, if perhaps they might feel after Him and find Him, though He be not far from every one of us.
28 For in Him we live, and move, and have our being; as also certain of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’
29 “For inasmuch, then, as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold or silver or stone, graven by art and of man’s devising.
30 The times of this ignorance God overlooked, but now He commandeth all men everywhere to repent,
31 because He hath appointed a Day in which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom He hath ordained. Of this He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead.”
amigo de christo
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please this pope leo and this trump DO the same bidding . This dog and pony show of theirs , I SHALL NOT BUY .Pope Leo XIV meets with former Obama adviser David Axelrod. Could he meet with former president soon?
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Pope Leo XIV on Thursday met with David Axelrod, a longtime Democratic strategist and former senior advisor to former President Barack Obama.
The meeting has many wondering if the pope might soon have a formal meeting with Obama himself.
Leo was born in Chicago and raised in south suburban Dolton. While Axelrod was born in New York, like Obama, he attended the University of Chicago, and after working as a reporter at the Chicago Tribune in the 1980s, he later helped Obama get elected president in 2008.
While the Vatican did not provide any details on Axelrod's meeting with Leo on Thursday, six weeks ago, Obama made it clear he'd like to meet his hometown pope.
"Being president, or even being an ex-president, I can kind of meet everybody. So, I've met a lot of folks. The person who I have not yet met, and that I'm looking forward to meeting – and I hope I get an opportunity sometime in the future – is the new pope, who's from Chicago, and a White Sox fan," Obama said on Bryan Tyler Cohen's podcast in February.
Axelrod hasn't shared details of his meeting with the pope, but his former boss is two months out from opening the Obama Presidential Center on the South Side of Chicago.
Meantime, the pope has been as vocal as any predecessor about American wars. In his Easter Sunday message, he said he was "asking people of goodwill to search always for peace and not violence, to reject war, especially a war which many people have said is an unjust war, which is continuing to escalate and is not resolving anything."
In recent months, the Vatican has said the pope is unlikely to come to the U.S. in 2026, because it's an election year. So, what's really going on?
Christopher Hale, who is writing a book on the pope and American politics, said all signs point to the meeting Obama wanted.
"It's a surprise. Obviously, [Axelrod is] not someone you'd expect to meet with Pope Leo XIV," Hale said. "We're not 100% sure that this is connected to that, but the timing is auspicious."
In November, Gov. JB Pritzker traveled to the Vatican to meet with the pope. A number of Illinois mayors also have met with Leo since he became pontiff.
President Donald Trump still has not met Leo, who insiders said is keenly aware of how the political winds blow and how meetings and messages are perceived.
"Pope Leo XIV is an American. He consumes American media vociferiously. He's an iPhone user. He's not disconnected from reality," Hale said.
Axelrod did not respond to a request for comment on his meeting with the pope.
Pope Leo XIV meets with former Obama adviser David Axelrod. Could he meet with former president soon?
Pope Leo XIV on Thursday met with David Axelrod, a longtime Democratic strategist and former senior advisor to former President Barack Obama.
THEY both are behind that one same agenda . Ecumeincal abraham peace accords interfaith interreligious dialgoue .
But those whose hopes be in men , WELL ONE HOPES IN LEO , ANOTHER IN TRUMP .
Yet has no idea , HEY YOU ALL ARE BEING DECIEVED BIG TIME . its all smoke and mirrors .
AND now a word .
WE better JESUS UP and BIBLE UP and stop trusting in men and rather ONLY IN GOD and HIS CHRIST . or prepare
to be v ery shocked on JESUS day to hear , DEPART from me , I NEVER KNEW YOU .
amigo de christo
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any law , any teaching , any word that contradicts THE GOD and HIS CHRIST , IS LAWLESSNESS and REBELLION TO GOD .
So i will follow only laws that are NOT contrary , only teachings that are NOT contrary , TO HIM .
And beleive you me when i do say ecumeincal abraham peace accords , LED BY THE POPES , teh world
and YES by trump vance and the nar realm , IS NOT OF GOD and IS VERY ANTI GOD , AS IT IS VERY ANTI CHRIST .
This sheep wont be joining hands and finding common ground WITH THAT MESS . rather i am gonna expose it all .
Pointing only too
and HOPING and TRUSTING ONLY IN GOD , HIS CHRIST , HIS WORDS , HIS GOSPEL .
Now i do suggest that all go and do likewise .
These men lead us into rebellion , AGAINST GOD and HIS CHRIST and do so by means
of what they CALL peace . watch out . anti christ is all over it too .
amigo de christo
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You spot on right about what you first said . The object is to keep them divided .
But you left something out and its very important to say it .
THEY do keep them pitted and divided so as to keep their focus OFF what both sides have been leading
this people right into .
You see the solution of anti christ , THEY both are wrapped up in it .
And politics will divide
as ECUMIENCISM , that both sides teach , WILL UNITE .
SOON one shall rise and even now it has been , that will appear as neutral .
As one who might even appear to be against the divided poltiics
BUT IT WILL BE PREACHING the very so lution they were all being led too . ITS GONNA be seen as not only a savoir
by many , BUT THE SAVOIR . and yet they so blind they cannot even now see
That the very SAVOIR OF ISRAEL and of the WORLD , IS BEING DENIED by its intefiath plan .
And yet those who do so , SEEM TO BELEIVE THIS IS THE PLAN OF GOD to SAVE ISRAEL and THE WORLD .
You ever get the feeling the devil can wear wool and can even appear as an angel of light .
OH HE CAN and HE DO .
amigo de christo
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and what do these popes
and what do many of the prostestant realm do .
What is their mission . Though both sides of politics do it a bit differently as how to attain the PEACE
OH its the same lie they both preach . same lie .
AND through interreligous dilagoue THEY DO IT .
what is this lie that so many on the left and on the right
in the RCC and realm of prosteants now beleive or are being led RIGHT TOO .
WHY THIS LIE OF COURSE .
OH GOD IS IN ALL RELIGOINS , and our GOD is no better than their god , in fact we all serve the same GOD
and his WILL is UNITY FOR PEACE .
ONLY WHO DO THA TSOUND LIKE IT IS OF
and WHO DO that sound LIKE ITS GONNA LEAD THEM ALL RIGHT TOO .
The answer
IT is of that which is of anti christ and that be exactly WHO IT WILL LEAD THEM ALL as ONE MAN and ONE HEART
and one SOLUTION for WORLD PEACE . and beleive me its solution WILL NOT BE JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY FRIENDLY .
OH NO it will target those as dividers and haters of GOD and of HIS LOVE and HIS PEACE plan .
OH YEAH its all a delusion sister , a total reprobations of minds in these last days .
And now a word .
AND HE SHALL SEND STRONG DELUSION to beleive a lie , TO THOSE WHO REJECTED THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH
whereby they might be saved . AND they will all be damned .
AND what was it paul said they would be chanting right before this SUDDEN DESTRUCTION cometh upon them all
WHY I DO BLEIEVE its the same identical message we hear from this anti christ ecumeincal harlot
PEACE N SAFETY . OH yes sister its all a set up for to prepare the world as one
RIGHT to the man of sin as ONE and Against the last sheep standing .
But what they dont realize is , IT WONT be peace n safety THEY recieve FROM GOD and THE LAMB ON HIS DAY .
The entirety of Protestantism came from the rejection of Popery, all the reformers beginning from Martin Luther and John Calvin rejected the formal teaching of the popes doctrines. Have you read Luther and Calvin and Zwingli? Those 3 were the influential reformers for the church. God changes times and seasons. And it cost a lot in blood and suffering, but that is also the way of biblical history.
Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli — Key Figures of the Protestant Reformation
Martin Luther, Ulrich Zwingli, and John Calvin were three of the most influential reformers of the 16th-century Protestant Reformation, each with distinct theological emphases and reform agendas.Martin Luther (1483–1546)
Born in Eisleben, Germany, Luther was initially trained in law but entered the Augustinian monastery in 1506. His 1517 Ninety-Five Theses challenged the sale of indulgences. A pivotal moment came in 1515–1516, when he read Romans 1:17 and concluded that salvation comes by faith alone (sola fide), not by works. Luther emphasized Scripture (sola scriptura) and the authority of the Gospel, rejecting the idea that reform could be achieved through political force Introduction to Protestantism+1. He also developed a sacramental theology in which the Eucharist was the real presence of Christ “in, with, and under” the bread and wine Wikipedia.
Ulrich Zwingli (1484–1531)
A Swiss reformer from Zurich, Zwingli was trained in Thomistic theology and influenced by Erasmus’ humanist approach. He led a radical reform in Zurich, ending the Mass, abolishing the papacy, and closing monasteries thechrist-centeredlife.com+1. Zwingli believed revelation and reason could never contradict, and he used political means to implement reform. He rejected the Eucharist as a sacrifice and taught that Christ was present spiritually, not physically, in the bread and wine Lutheran Reformation+1. His views clashed with Luther’s on the Real Presence, leading to the Marburg Colloquy in 1529, which failed to unite them Wikipedia.
John Calvin (1509–1564)
Calvin, a French theologian trained as a lawyer, became a pastor and professor in Geneva. He was deeply influenced by medieval theology and Christian humanism. His Institutes of the Christian Religion (1536) systematized Reformed theology, emphasizing God’s sovereignty, the authority of Scripture, and the importance of church order and discipline thechrist-centeredlife.com. Calvin sought to continue the work of Luther and other reformers, shaping both theology and community life in Geneva. He also contributed to the debate on sacraments, affirming the Eucharist as a spiritual means of grace Colin D Smith.
Theological and Historical Context
All three were initially loyal Catholics but became reformers in response to abuses and doctrinal errors. They shared a commitment to Scripture and reform, but differed on sacramental theology, the role of reason in faith, and the use of political power in reform Colin D Smith+1. Luther and Zwingli’s disagreement over the Eucharist at the Marburg Colloquy (1529) highlighted these differences, while Calvin’s work in Geneva influenced later Reformed traditions in Europe and beyond thechrist-centeredlife.com+1.
In summary, Luther emphasized faith and the Gospel as the sole means of reform, Zwingli combined reform with political action and a rationalist approach to Scripture, and Calvin integrated theology, church order, and community life into a systematic Reformed framework.
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