- Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise passfrom the law till all be fulfilled.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My Words shall not pass away.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Mark 13:31
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Luke 16:17
And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than one tittle of the law to fail.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Luke 21:33
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - 2 Peter 3:10
But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. The earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations - Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea.
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Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.
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David in NJ
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#1 #2 #3 are all the ONE SAME Resurrection spoken of in:
#1 - OT Prophecy
#2 - Gospel/Apostles
#3 - Revelation 20:4-6
#4 is Revelation 20:11-15 which is also spoken of in OT Prophecy, Gospel, Revelation
Spiritual Israelite
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How many hours/times are coming when all of the dead will be resurrected, according to Jesus?
John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
David in NJ
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"the hour" refers to Judgment
"and" signifies TWO Separate Judgments
This is hard to explain. Judgement always carries a negative, damnatory nuance in the New Testament. The resurrection of "condemnation" is the only judgement. I could look at the lexical entries, but this seems to be about Israel, and resurrection is poor translation for an uppropering or build up. I might talk about how God wakes the dead. He has been doing it since Abel.
Spiritual Israelite
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Not two separate judgments separated by a long period of time. That would be two coming hours when the dead will be resurrected. But, Jesus only spoke of one hour/time when all of the dead will be resurrected with some being resurrected to (eternal) life and some to (eternal) condemnation. He referred to the same time that Daniel prophesied in Daniel 12:1-2 when both the dead saved and dead lost will be resurrected. Not two different hours/times.
David in NJ
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The "negative' was upon Christ on the Cross = #1 Judgment upon sin = Isaiah ch53
All who are in Christ are now "hidden in the Resurrected Christ" and therefore shall not come under condemnation from Judgment #2
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I'll add:
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
To understand this fully the word "hour" must be understood:
"hour" can be any amount of time since it can be literal or figurative:
G5610
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ho¯ra
ho'-rah
Apparently a primary word; an “hour” (literally or figuratively): - day, hour, instant, season, X short, [even-] tide, (high) time.
Total KJV occurrences: 108
It's been translated as hour, day and even season.
There will come a time/hour that all baseball teams will play against another team but that doesn't mean all on the same day. A time will come for all the dead to be raised. First, the dead in Christ rise, then after a thousand years "the rest of the dead" will rise. That's what we find when looking at all of the related passages. Leaving the most important passage out of this is clear error.
Another analogy:
"For the hour is coming, in which all who start and complete highschool shall graduate."
No one would argue that every single person who completes highschool will all graduate the same hour, or same day, or even the same year. Obviously, freshmen don't graduate when seniors do.
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
So, in this unknown amount of time there will be two resurrections. First (called the first resurrection) the dead in Christ will be resurrected. Then much later in this same "hora", at it's end, will the second and last resurrection take place and that's "the rest of the dead" who did not rise with the first group.
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Not always.
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
Spiritual Israelite
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Such nonsense. Premils are always having to twist clear, straightforward scripture to make it say what they want it to say.
Jesus is clearly saying there is one resurrection event coming just as is indicated in Acts 24:15 where Paul says there will be a resurrection of the dead involving both the just and unjust. We can see in passages like Matthew 13:40-43, Matthew 13:47-50 and Matthew 25:31-46 that all people are judged at the same time, so that lines up with all of the dead being resurrected at the same hour/time.
Jay Ross noted:
>Armageddon>
IMO "Armageddon" is an English rendering of Greek Αρμαγεδων, itself a rendering of Hebrew הך מגדו (Har Megiddo) = "Tel Megiddo," referring to the plain of Megiddo at the Eastern edge of the Mediterranean Sea, near Tel Megiddo.
Search your internet, Wikipedia "Tel Megiddo." Been there, saw it, flat plain, great place for a fight.
This brief war involves "Anti-Christ," and is described in Revelation 19:17-21. It will be a slaughter: "Woe to the one who strives against his creator." (Isaiah 45:9).
"All the earth" (Revelation 19:19) indicates "all the *land*" (Greek γη). There was no concept of planet earth in New Testament times.
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The place where the kings of the earth will assemble at Armageddon will be observable by the leadership of the nation of Israel, which means that it within the controlled land area of the nations of Israel around the year 2045 AD.
This can be determined from Mat 24:31, Ezekiel 34, Isaiah 24:21-22, Rev 16:12-16, 12:7-9 Daniel 9:26b, Luke 14:25-32 and Ex 20:4-6. Lev 26 also tells us of the escalation of the events that will unfold because the Israelites had turned away from God and openly indulged in Idolatrous worship on the mountains of Israel.
Exodus 20:4-6 tells us that the visitation of the father's iniquities will be visited upon their children and the children's children during the third and the fourth age/generation of existence of the Israelites from the time of Isaac's birth. Isaac's birth occurred at the very beginning of the third age/generation of mankind in the year 2049 after the creation of Adam. which means the first and second ages/generations spanned 2048 years, that is solar years, such that the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers commenced in the year 4097 after the creation of Adam and will conclude after the completion of the third and the fourth age/generation of the existence of the nation of Israel, in the year 6145 years after the creation of Adam. From my research into the year that Adam was creation, I have concluded that Adam was created in the year 4,100 BC and if we subtract 4,100 years from the 6145 solar years that I am suggesting when Armageddon happens and when Isaiah 24:21-22 also happens, because Isaiah 24:21-22 is describing what will happen then, I arrived at the year 2045 AD as to when Armageddon will occur. Luke 14:25-32 speaks to the events leading up to the Armageddon Judgement event in our near future.
It should also be remembered that the Rev 16:12-16 bowl judgement sign of the three frog like spirits performing signs and wonders on 9/11/2001 was the start of the kings of the earth being drawn to assemble at Armageddon provided an approximate warning that around 40 years after the signs and wonders had occurred that the king of the earth would be drawn to assemble at Armageddon. With the present-day events occurring at the moment, we can observe the drawing of the kings of the earth slowly happening as the Little Horn has his final attempt to trample God's Sanctuary and God's earthly hosts.
Jesus also gave us a very good indication that around 96 years after the fig tree began to bud fresh leaves in 1948, that the seventh age would begin when the Summer Season of Harvest of gentile souls would begin int he following year.
In this unknown amount of time (THE HOUR) there shall be ONE RESURRECTION "in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."
In the same manner Jo 5:25 speaks of "The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live." Just as this unknown amount of time likened "the hour, now is", reference to the age Christ ushered in. The unknown age, IOW any day now, since the advent of Christ coming to earth a man, at any instant, season, or time when the spiritually dead hear the gospel of the Kingdom of God and believing in Christ they are born again and enter into spiritual life eternally. The hour coming, that now is represents the hour that Christ came and through His blood that all the sins of whosoever is born again have been forgiven, and they have entered into eternal life through the resurrection of Christ who is the first resurrection. That hour that now is, is a never ending hour for all who hear the gospel of the Kingdom of God proclaimed who have been and are being born again.
Just as the hour that was coming and now is through the atonement and resurrection of Christ is never ending, neither shall the hour coming when ALL the dead in the graves (physical body) shall be resurrected ONCE at any instant, season, or time because we don't know the hour that Christ shall come again to raise up ALL who have physically died, both those who in life have done good, and they that have done evil shall be resurrected TOGETHER for life or damnation. Not that the resurrection coming is more than ONE, but that the hour for the physical/bodily resurrection of ALL who have physically died shall be when Christ comes again, which shall be at any instant, time, season or day and it shall be when ALL mankind receives everlasting immortal/incorruptible life physically with Christ, or when they shall receive fulfillment of everlasting death in the burning flames in physical flesh having never been born again.
Yes, and for those who belong to the house of God because they have been born again, judgment now, before physical death through trials and tribulations (judgment of God) ordained for all who are in Christ, means that at the GWTJ we shall not be judged according to what we have done in the flesh, because Christ has already made atonement for our sins and given us everlasting immortal life through His resurrection. That's why John tells us that only the DEAD (spiritually) shall be judged according to what is found written in the books and the book of life according to what they have done in the flesh.
Armageddon (הר מגדו) = "Mountain of Magiddo" is a mountain by a plain on the Eastern Mediterranean Sea, alongside Israel. See Revelation 16:16.
The war on this plain involves "antichrist" = "false Christ." The Bible indicates that he will support rebuilding of the Jewish temple, but then take his seat in the temple, showing himself to be God (2Thessalonians 2:4). It's hard to imagine that any Jewish person would believe that he is the Messiah, but apparently some do.
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Aunty Jane
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The Bible describes Armageddon, not as a regional conflict, but as a global war fought between all human governments and God.
“Expressions inspired by demons . . . go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty. . . . They gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Armageddon.” (Rev 16:14, 16)
Yes....the word “Armageddon” comes from the Hebrew word Har Meghid·dohnʹ, meaning “Mountain of Megiddo.” Megiddo was a city in the territory of ancient Israel. For that reason, some people believe that Armageddon will be fought in Israel. However, neither the region of Megiddo nor any other area in the Middle East is big enough to hold “the kings of the entire inhabited earth” and their armies.
The book of Revelation was written “in signs,” or in symbolic language....
Armageddon refers, not to a literal location, but to the worldwide situation in which the nations assemble in their last stand against rule by God and his incoming Kingdom. (Rev 19.11-6; 19-21)
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Rev describes Armageddon as a regional conflict fought at a specific location roughly 66 miles from Jerusalem. It is never presented as a global war but armies from all over the globe travel there to participate in the battle. The 6th vial and Rev 19 describe this.
Aunty Jane
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Again the Revelation was given in symbols.....Armageddon is linked to the plains of Megiddo because it was the site of very decisive battles that in the past, but rightly, as was already mentioned, the literal place is not big enough to accommodate all the world’s military forces. It is symbolic of a world at war with God’s military forces....one battle, regardless of the numbers or the weaponry, the world under satan, will never win.
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