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According to the teachings of Jesus via his goto Apostle for today - Paul, believers receive/are sealed with the Holy Spirit once they place their belief and trust in the One Gospel for today 1 Cor 15v1-4, Eph 1v13.
Prior to Paul being the Jesus appointed goto Apostle there were instances where the other Apostles had to lay hands on a believer and pray for them to receive the Holy Spirit Acts 8v14-18.
Today there are NO CIRCUMSTANCES where lay hands and pray are required for a believer to receive the Holy Spirit according to the teachings of Paul in Romans to Philemon.
This is another FACT that confirms the Gospel taught by Peter etc differs from that of Paul.
I am going to assume that you have never been taught to understand the difference between the Holy Spirit of God, and the holy spirit of Jesus the Christ.
This is a very understandable mistake. One made by the church in the 1,800s. They are the ones who started applying capitalization which has led to the understanding you and most others still are influenced by.

The translators of the KJV actually saw a problem and tried to point out the difference by translating as follows;

The KJV has Holy Spirit only 4X in the NT. And not once is it in the book of Acts.
The KJV also has Holy Ghost 89x in NT. And not once is it in the Book of Acts.

Which of the above group would you say represented the spirit of Jesus versus the Spirit of the Trinity?
 

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I see my same question to @Rockerduck in post 51 has caused the same response from @OneGospel in post 61.....They BOTH have disappeared from the thread and nobody else has risen with any answer. All who are here, without ONE personal opinion????? Just disappeared, I find that sad.
 

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Any idea why your litmus above doesn't apply 1x in the KJV? :doldrums:

The KJV has Holy Spirit only 4X in the NT. And not once is it in the book of Acts. :IDK:
The KJV also has Holy Ghost 89x in NT. And not once is it in the Book of Acts. :IDK:
Acts 2:4. I don't use the KJV. I use the 1977 NASB. The 1995 NASB has Holy Spirit 10 times in the OT and 95 times in the NT.
 

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I see my same question to @Rockerduck in post 51 has caused the same response from @OneGospel in post 61.....They BOTH have disappeared from the thread and nobody else has risen with any answer. All who are here, without ONE personal opinion????? Just disappeared, I find that sad.
I checked the AKJV and Holy Ghost is mentioned 41 times in the book of Acts.
 

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I checked the AKJV and Holy Ghost is mentioned 41 times in the book of Acts.
The question was never how many times. The question is WHY did the KJV translators even use "the Holy Ghost" AND "the Holy Spirit", when no other translation ever did?

EDIT; I should clarify; "no other translation THAT I KNOW OF ever used "Holy Ghost" AND "Holy Spirit".
 
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The question was never how many times. The question is WHY did the KJV translators even use "the Holy Ghost" AND "the Holy Spirit", when no other translation ever did?

EDIT; I should clarify; "no other translation THAT I KNOW OF ever used "Holy Ghost" AND "Holy Spirit".
In the for a couple of hundred years spirits were called ghosts. In the later 1700's and into the 1800's ghost stories were common at Christmas. The 1611 KJV and the 1769 had Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit and the NT did to from translations from Tyndale and Geneva bibles. It was just the culture of the time in Europe. It really is no big deal. Better modern translations corrected this translation. I use the only Bible that started out as a non profit ministry, the NASB, but only the 1977 NASB, before gender neutral language crept in.
 

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Peter, 4 steps are required in early Acts, repent, be baptized, pray & lay hands.
Acts 2
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 8:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Yet Paul teaches only 1 step, hear & believe the Gospel
Eph 1:13, Gospel 1 Cor 15:1-4
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
And the way today is ?

This question is Why does early Acts of the Apostles sometimes show a multi-step pattern (repent → baptism → prayer/laying on of hands → Spirit), while Paul the Apostle often describes salvation as occurring through hearing and believing the gospel?

A careful, text-driven analysis shows that this is less a contradiction and more a difference in narrative function vs. doctrinal explanation.

What Acts is actually showing​

The book of Acts is historical narrative, not a systematic theology manual. It records transitional moments as the message moves:
Jerusalem (Jews) → Acts 2
Samaria → Acts 8
Gentiles → Acts 10
Disciples of John → Acts 19
Each setting shows slightly different sequences, which is the first clue that we are not looking at a rigid formula.

Acts 2 (Jews)

Repent , Be baptized , Receive the Spirit
Here, everything appears tightly connected.

Acts 8 (Samaritans)

They believe and are baptized first , Then apostles arrive later , Then lay hands → Spirit comes

This already breaks the idea of a fixed “4-step formula.”

Acts 10 (Gentiles – Cornelius)

They hear and believe , The Spirit falls immediately (before baptism) , Then they are baptized afterward

This reverses Acts 2.

Acts 19 (Ephesus)

Disciples lack full understanding , They are rebaptized , Then hands laid → Spirit

Across Acts, the order changes. That alone undermines the claim that “4 steps are required.”

What Acts is emphasizing instead:

The Spirit is given , The gospel is validated across new groups
Apostolic authority is sometimes visibly involved (especially in boundary-crossing moments like Samaria)

What Paul is doing (different purpose)​

Paul’s letters (e.g., Epistle to the Ephesians, First Epistle to the Corinthians) are not narrating events—they are explaining the mechanics of salvation.

His core structure is consistent:
Hear the gospel (1 Cor 15:1–4) , Believe/trust , Be sealed with the Spirit (Eph 1:13)

He never presents:

Baptism as a prerequisite for receiving the Spirit or Laying on of hands as universally required

Instead, he treats the Spirit as immediate and intrinsic to belief:

“Anyone who does not have the Spirit… does not belong to Him” (Romans 8:9)
That’s a decisive theological statement.

So are there two different “ways”?​

No—there are two layers:

Layer 1: Theological core (Paul clarifies)
Salvation = grace received through faith , The Spirit is given at belief

Layer 2: Historical rollout (Acts records)
God orchestrates events differently depending on context , Sometimes delays or external signs (like laying on of hands) serve:
Unity (e.g., Samaritans joining under apostles) , Validation (e.g., Gentiles receiving the same Spirit) , Transition from old covenant structures

Why Acts 8 includes laying on of hands​

Acts 8 is often over-read.

The delay of the Spirit until the apostles arrive likely serves a unification function:
Prevents a separate Samaritan church from forming , Ensures visible apostolic confirmation

This is descriptive

The phrase “for the remission of sins” (Acts 2:38)​

This is another pressure point.

“for” (Greek: eis) can mean: “unto” / resulting in , or “with reference to / because of” , Even without resolving that debate, Acts itself shows: People receive the Spirit without identical wording or sequence (Acts 10). So Acts 2:38 cannot be turned into a rigid universal formula without contradicting Acts itself.

If you integrate all the data:​

The consistent requirement across the New Testament is: Faith in the gospel , The consistent outcome: , Receiving the Holy Spirit , The variable elements: , Timing of baptism , Laying on of hands , Order of events

Answer to your final question: “And the way today is?”​

From a strictly text-integrated reading:
  • The normative pattern (especially post-Acts transition) aligns with Paul: , Hear the gospel → Believe → Receive the Spirit, Baptism remains:
    • A commanded response
    • A public identification
    • But not consistently presented as the mechanism of receiving the Spirit
  • Laying on of hands:
    • Occurs in specific contexts
    • Not universally required

The “4 steps required” reading is too rigid and does not survive comparison across Acts itself.

The “only believe” reading is closer to the doctrinal core—but needs to respect that Acts shows real, embodied responses (repentance, baptism, community recognition), not mere intellectual assent.
 

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In the for a couple of hundred years spirits were called ghosts. In the later 1700's and into the 1800's ghost stories were common at Christmas. The 1611 KJV and the 1769 had Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit and the NT did to from translations from Tyndale and Geneva bibles. It was just the culture of the time in Europe. It really is no big deal. Better modern translations corrected this translation. I use the only Bible that started out as a non profit ministry, the NASB, but only the 1977 NASB, before gender neutral language crept in.
NASB MAT 14:26 When the disciples saw Him walking on the sea, they were terrified, and said, "It is a ghost!" And they cried out in fear.

Then why does your NASB believe in "a ghost" when it is neither a spirit (Gr pneuma) or a soul (Gr psuche)? I am of the belief that only a spirit can be a ghost. I also believe the Tyndale and the Geneva authors had their own false doctrines. They believed that when the Holy Spirit birthed a spirit into the dead flesh body of Adam that 'that combination' became a "a living soul". If that's true then they don't believe in a triune man, but do believe in a triune God. And I have an issue with that. But maybe that's your belief too. If it is then we need to deal with that point also.
 

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NASB MAT 14:26 When the disciples saw Him walking on the sea, they were terrified, and said, "It is a ghost!" And they cried out in fear.

Then why does your NASB believe in "a ghost" when it is neither a spirit (Gr pneuma) or a soul (Gr psuche)? I am of the belief that only a spirit can be a ghost. I also believe the Tyndale and the Geneva authors had their own false doctrines. They believed that when the Holy Spirit birthed a spirit into the dead flesh body of Adam that 'that combination' became a "a living soul". If that's true then they don't believe in a triune man, but do believe in a triune God. And I have an issue with that. But maybe that's your belief too. If it is then we need to deal with that point also.
I don't know where you got your information. My 1977 NASB does not say Holy Ghost, its always Holy Spirit. When Jesus walked on water, the apostles thought it was a ghost or apparition, not the Holy Spirit. I haven't read the original Tyndale copy, but the KJV is 90% Tyndale copy. So that's not what Tyndale believed and the Geneva bible came from Switzerland. :The exiled Christian scholars were exiled from England under Queen , bloody, Mary. They wrote the Geneva bible. The Geneva bible was highly popular and King James did not like it. However, the Geneva bible came to America with the Puritans.
 

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Here you guys are arguing about how to receive the Holy Spirit as if through some method or understanding you can manipulate a manifestation of the Spirit.
Your ignorance is palpable.....and it seems to me with all your 'greater insight' you will remain ignorant.
 
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Here you guys are arguing about how to receive the Holy Spirit as if through some method or understanding you can manipulate a manifestation of the Spirit.
I have 7 posts.;51, 61, 62, 65, 68, 69, 70. Not ONE of them has to do with RECEIVING or MANIPULATING A MANIFESTATION OF THE SPIRIT.
Your ignorance is palpable.....and it seems to me with all your 'greater insight' you will remain ignorant.
And your NON CHRISTIAN judgment deserves a good look into a mirror. Live up to your user icon. Do your homework and show me guilty in any of the above posts.
 

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I have 7 posts.;51, 61, 62, 65, 68, 69, 70. Not ONE of them has to do with RECEIVING or MANIPULATING A MANIFESTATION OF THE SPIRIT.

And your NON CHRISTIAN judgment deserves a good look into a mirror. Live up to your user icon. Do your homework and show me guilty in any of the above posts.
I wonder what the objective is. Is to to grow, to understand better where enquiry opens the heart to learn or is it to pat yourself on the back because of your 'knowing and accumulated information'?
 

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I wonder what the objective is. Is to to grow, to understand better where enquiry opens the heart to learn or is it to pat yourself on the back because of your 'knowing and accumulated information'?
The objective certainly isn't to play 'religious spirit-ed' games with you. You either prove you judged me rightly, with ONE of those 7 posts. Posts I even did the work for you to easily pin whatever badge on your chest that you think you deserve. But if you can't, just shut up, like the grown up you presently aren't proving yourself to be.
 

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The objective certainly isn't to play 'religious spirit-ed' games with you. You either prove you judged me rightly, with ONE of those 7 posts. Posts I even did the work for you to easily pin whatever badge on your chest that you think you deserve. But if you can't, just shut up, like the grown up you presently aren't proving yourself to be.
I see, a condescending approach unable to deal with the wonderings of a curious onlooker!
 

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The problem isn't 'my blindness', it is your willingness to refuse to consider a rebuke.
Hey qt, what do you believe is the way people alive today receive the HS ?
There appears to be varying opinions, what are your thoughts and what Biblical passages confirms them ?
 

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Hey qt, what do you believe is the way people alive today receive the HS ?
There appears to be varying opinions, what are your thoughts and what Biblical passages confirms them ?
John 3:5-8
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

What is clear to me is it is God who dispenses his Spirit at will.
No amount of methods or beliefs whipped up to twist God's arm delivers his Spirit.

God's Spirit is present and active when the good news of Jesus is shared. We do what we will with that knowledge ie, either embrace it or dismiss it.
 

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John 3:5-8
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

What is clear to me is it is God who dispenses his Spirit at will.
No amount of methods or beliefs whipped up to twist God's arm delivers his Spirit.

God's Spirit is present and active when the good news of Jesus is shared. We do what we will with that knowledge ie, either embrace it or dismiss it.
Do you believe actions by others are at times required for someone to receive the Spirit ?