What exactly is ''resting'' on the Sabbath as to keeping it 'Holy'?

Brakelite said:

Sorry bro, but the onus is not upon us to prove the NT has a specific commandment concerning the sabbath. The commandment was already there, and there is no "Thus sayeth the Lord" which abrogated it. . The onus therefore is on you to prove Jesus or the apostles intended to change the sabbath to another day, or no day, or any day you like day, or a rest totally devoid of days or full of them. Take your pick.

Return, or continuation. The evidence in Scripture reveals a continuation. Jesus even observed the Sabbath in His death. The women observed the same Sabbath waiting till the first day to anoint the body. Paul and his companions on all his journeys never once observed any other day, but attended synagogues on sabbath wherever he went "as his custom was". Claiming he was attending synagogues for the mere purpose of preaching the gospel is presumption and an attempt to read motive.

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Every word Spoken by JESUS is "thus Saith the LORD"

Wake UP to the Righteousness of GOD that is only found in the LORD Jesus Christ

Jesus even observed the Sabbath in His death.

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JESUS fulfilled the law because no man could = especially you and SDA

But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons - Galatians 4:4

Christ rescued us from the law = never to return to it

Christ is LORD of the sabbath for HE alone is the Commanded REST of Exodus 31:12-17

WARNING: whoever works on GOD's Sabbath REST shall be put to death

When you add your religious works to the FINISHED Work of God, you are working on the Sabbath and disobeying God.

The evidence in Scripture reveals a continuation.

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The continuation of God's Sabbath Rest is only in the LORD Jesus Christ = Matthew 11:

All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.

28Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Thus Saith the HOLY SPIRIT: Romans, Colossians & Hebrews

One person regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes a special day does so to the Lord; he who eats does so to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath.
These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ

Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

6Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

Angelina said:

I understand the way you are framing the issue, and I agree this is really where the disagreement becomes clear.

I also agree that the New Testament does not always restate Old Testament commands in a “re-listing” format. The apostles often assume continuity while also reinterpreting practices through Christ. So I don’t think the absence of a repeated command in identical wording is automatically the deciding factor on its own.

That is why I keep returning not only to isolated commands but also to how the apostles actually applied covenant obligation to Gentile believers in practice.

In Acts 15, the question was not simply theological but covenantal: what is required of Gentiles who are now in Christ? The council’s response is significant because it is explicit in what it does and does not place upon them. My point is not that Acts 15 mentions every aspect of Christian life, but that it shows how the apostles handled the question of binding covenant requirements for Gentiles.

In Romans 14 and Colossians 2, I agree there is freedom of conscience regarding days in the life of the church, while still calling believers to holiness and devotion to God. Where we differ is whether Sabbath observance is included in that category of liberty or in the category of continuing covenant obligation.

So I would summarize my position more precisely:

I am not arguing that God’s law is irrelevant or that Scripture must explicitly “re-list” every command for it to matter.

I am saying I do not yet see, from the apostolic instruction to Gentile believers in Christ, a clear and direct binding of seventh-day Sabbath observance as a covenant requirement under the new covenant.

That is still the point I am trying to understand from the New Testament itself.

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Kia Ora Angelina.
Have you considered Acts 13? Have you considered that the reason no-one specifically "commanded" Gentiles to observe the Sabbath was because they were already doing so? See verses 14-44. If Gentile Christians weren't observing the Sabbath, or it wasn't the custom to do so, why did they ask Paul to repeat his Gospel message the following Sabbath, and not the next day, Sunday, when Gentile Christians were supposed to be meeting according to today's churches?

Brakelite said:

Kia Ora Angelina.
Have you considered Acts 13? Have you considered that the reason no-one specifically "commanded" Gentiles to observe the Sabbath was because they were already doing so? See verses 14-44. If Gentile Christians weren't observing the Sabbath, or it wasn't the custom to do so, why did they ask Paul to repeat his Gospel message the following Sabbath, and not the next day, Sunday, when Gentile Christians were supposed to be meeting according to today's churches?

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i want to remind you of our past conversations and i call to witness @Angelina

i have always said to you and other SDA adherents that it is WONDERFUL that you gather on saturday = HalelluYAH

FYI, for many years my wife and i also gathered in fellowship unto the Lord Jesus Christ on saturday

However, making saturday observance mandatory as if it was under GOD, is religious deception

David in NJ said:

Every word Spoken by JESUS is "thus Saith the LORD"

Wake UP to the Righteousness of GOD that is only found in the LORD Jesus Christ


JESUS fulfilled the law because no man could = especially you and SDA

But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons - Galatians 4:4

Christ rescued us from the law = never to return to it

Christ is LORD of the sabbath for HE alone is the Commanded REST of Exodus 31:12-17

WARNING: whoever works on GOD's Sabbath REST shall be put to death

When you add your religious works to the FINISHED Work of God, you are working on the Sabbath and disobeying God.




The continuation of God's Sabbath Rest is only in the LORD Jesus Christ = Matthew 11:

All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.

28Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

Thus Saith the HOLY SPIRIT: Romans, Colossians & Hebrews

One person regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes a special day does so to the Lord; he who eats does so to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath.
These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ

Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

6Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

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JESUS ALONE IS the COMMANDED REST GIVEN OF GOD unto man .
YOU SPOT ON RIGHT MY FRIEND . I could not have said it better .
JESUS IS , FAITH IN HIM IS , BELIEF IN HIM IS the COMMANDED REST given of GOD
unto all . FOR there is no man born of woman who can enter INTO THE REST OF GOD
lest HIS FAITH BE IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
And this commandment of GOD let no man put asunder .
THIS IS THE COMMANDMENT of GOD ALL MIGHTY . and no man can enter into THE REST OF GOD
Lest HIS FAITH BE IN HE who cried
COME YE UNTO ME all you who do labor and are weary and YE shall find rest for your souls .
JESUS IS THE ONLY HOPE .
IN HE ALONE can one be justified. There is no man born of woman that can be justified by the works of the law .
And HE who sets aside THIS REST and goeth about to work his own works , SHALL SURELY be put to death at THE END .
The sabbath given unto man and later confirmed by the law
OH IT ALWAYS POINTED TO HE who GOD WOULD SEND who would GIVE MAN REST from his works .
His works by which no man can be justified . THEN a new heart given wherein GOD , CHRIST would work
within him that which is well pleasing to GOD .
Many now point to the law . AND WHILE they do so they also t rangress the law themselves .
Allowing sin , but condemning others who eat not and drink not as they do .
THEY CRY DO YE DO YE and lay heavy burdens upon this people and yet not even they do as they say to DO .
NONE of them keeps the law , NOR can they even HEAR the law .
FOR the law and the prophets , for the promises given unto abraham , THEY POINT TO JESUS THE CHRIST .
WHO IS THE GLORY OF GOD . But the vail is upon their hearts even to this day my friend .
BUT if they will turn TO THE LORD then the vail shall be lifted .

David in NJ said:

i want to remind you of our past conversations and i call to witness @Angelina

i have always said to you and other SDA adherents that it is WONDERFUL that you gather on saturday = HalelluYAH

FYI, for many years my wife and i also gathered in fellowship unto the Lord Jesus Christ on saturday

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YES i have no problem with any day being observed and etc .
BUT WHEN FOLKS point to a day , when folks point to a rest
THAT contradicted what Paul himself wrote about and rather uses the shadow
but not the BODY , OH WE GOTS A PROBLEM .
JESUS IS THAT BODY . And i seen watch ELLIE and them adventists DID to
THIS REST paul spoke about . THEN TURNED IT FROM JESUS and back TO THE LAW . BIG BIG MISTAKE .
The law is g ood all right , HOLY indeed , BUT IT IS JESUS CHRIST ALONE WHO CAN SAVE and WHO GIVETH MAN REST .
they had better all watch out .

amigo de christo said:

YES i have no problem with any day being observed and etc .
BUT WHEN FOLKS point to a day , when folks point to a rest
THAT contradicted what Paul himself wrote about and rather uses the shadow
but not the BODY , OH WE GOTS A PROBLEM .
JESUS IS THAT BODY . And i seen watch ELLIE and them adventists DID to
THIS REST paul spoke about . THEN TURNED IT FROM JESUS and back TO THE LAW . BIG BIG MISTAKE .
The law is g ood all right , HOLY indeed , BUT IT IS JESUS CHRIST ALONE WHO CAN SAVE and WHO GIVETH MAN REST .
they had better all watch out .

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SDA does the same as RCC

They have forgotten to read, trust and believe on the WORD that was GOD

Gospel of John
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ”
And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.
For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

David in NJ said:

Every word Spoken by the JESUS is "thus Saith the LORD"

Wake UP to the Righteousness of GOD that is only found in the LORD Jesus Christ


JESUS fulfilled the law because no man could = especially you and SDA

But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons - Galatians 4:4

Christ rescued us from the law = never to return to it

Christ is LORD of the sabbath for HE alone is the Commanded REST of Exodus 31:12-17

WARNING: whoever works on GOD's Sabbath REST shall be put to death

When you add your religious works to the FINISHED Work of God, you are working on the Sabbath and disobeying God.

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Interesting. You are giving us all an example of the future arguments presented in court by the Government's prosecution attorneys on behalf of Sunday churches when Sabbath observance is outlawed.

You keep talking about a death sentence.

“And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. ”
Revelation 13:15

So you are almost right. Yes, there will be a death sentence for those observing the Sabbath. But it won't be God's sentence, but your government.

David in NJ said:

SDA does the same as RCC

They have forgotten to read, trust and believe on the WORD that was GOD

Gospel of John
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ”
And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.
For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

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When viewing the SDA , JW , MORMON , and now sadly scores of even others in the protestant realm ,
its like watching the parable of many stones my friend .
They all sit under and do as do the BIG BLACK STONE .
and the green s tone says to the blue stone , says to the red stone
says to the yellow stone , says to the gray st one and any other colored stone .
HEY we are all against and not of the BIG BLACK STONE .
for it is black and we are different . BUT what they dont get is
HEY , YOU ARE ALL STONES my friend . YOU DO as SHE DO . HOW SO .
YOU ALL SIT UNDER MEN , TRUSTING IN MEN as though they and their doctrine BE GOD .
And none sits under THE CHRIST . and now all them diverse colored stones
DO INDEED come as one to BIG BLACK MOTHER STONE . and have zero idea
they do . I have heard them make cliams against the RCC
and even say a solid truth . THEY SIT UNDER POPES , THEY TRUST IN MEN .
WELL HELLO SO DO THEY . doctrines might differ , BUT THEIR HOPE BE THE SAME .
AND what HOPE IS THAT you might ask . WHY THEIR HOPE BE IN MEN , NOT IN GOD IN CHRIST ALONE .
NOT living by THE WORD but rather by the words of men .

Brakelite said:

Interesting. You are giving us all an example of the future arguments presented in court by the Government's prosecution attorneys on behalf of Sunday churches when Sabbath observance is outlawed.

You keep talking about a death sentence.

“And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. ”
Revelation 13:15

So you are almost right. Yes, there will be a death sentence for those observing the Sabbath. But it won't be God's sentence, but your government.

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Command this stone by turned into bread .
IT is written that man shall not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD of GOD .
Yet many live by the words of men and their doctrines , and beleive me when i say
their doctrines do and will twist and omit words of GOD and of CHRIST .
Easy is the solution . SIMPLE is the solution .
IF any desires to see whether what man says be true , be of GOD
THEN OPEN BIBLE and LEARN BIBLE for yourself . YOU SEE who ye follow . IS IT MEN , OR GOD
is it antother jesus or IS IT JESUS . MY WORDS SHALL BE YOUR JUDGE on the last day .
NOtice its HIS WORDS .
HE did not say , the words of your scholars , their greek , their hermes , their doctrines
will be YOUR JUDGE . NO , didnt hear that .
HE SAID MY WORDS shall be your judge .

Brakelite said:

Interesting. You are giving us all an example of the future arguments presented in court by the Government's prosecution attorneys on behalf of Sunday churches when Sabbath observance is outlawed.

You keep talking about a death sentence.

“And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. ”
Revelation 13:15

So you are almost right. Yes, there will be a death sentence for those observing the Sabbath. But it won't be God's sentence, but your government.

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sunday DOES NOT replace saturday = never did

RCC and it's laws are anti-christ
But so is SDA and it's laws that seek to subject you to OT law under Moses

You have a conviction to gather on saturday = HalelluYAH
Others have a conviction to gather on sunday = HalelluYAH
HOLY SPIRIT Says: "others SEE everday alike"

The HOLY SPIRIT has granted me Freedom in the TRUTH to observe neither saturday nor sunday as EVERYDAY is REST in CHRIST for me/personally

Everything is permissible,” but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible,” but not everything is edifying. 24No one should seek his own good, but the good of others.

25Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and the fullness thereof.”e

27If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat anything set before you without raising questions of conscience. 28But if someone tells you, “This food was offered to idols,” then do not eat it, for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience—f 29the other one’s conscience, I mean, not your own. For why should my freedom be determined by someone else’s conscience? 30If I partake in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of that for which I give thanks?

31So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all to the glory of God. 32Do not become a stumbling block, whether to Jews or Greeks or the church of God— 33as I also try to please everyone in all I do. For I am not seeking my own good, but the good of many, that they may be saved.

Brakelite said:

Interesting. You are giving us all an example of the future arguments presented in court by the Government's prosecution attorneys on behalf of Sunday churches when Sabbath observance is outlawed.

You keep talking about a death sentence.

“And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. ”
Revelation 13:15

So you are almost right. Yes, there will be a death sentence for those observing the Sabbath. But it won't be God's sentence, but your government.

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Therefore, by your own words, your trust is on saturday rather then the only REST of GOD that can save you, which is CHRIST

amigo de christo said:

When viewing the SDA , JW , MORMON , and now sadly scores of even others in the protestant realm ,
its like watching the parable of many stones my friend .
They all sit under and do as do the BIG BLACK STONE .
and the green s tone says to the blue stone , says to the red stone
says to the yellow stone , says to the gray st one and any other colored stone .
HEY we are all against and not of the BIG BLACK STONE .
for it is black and we are different . BUT what they dont get is
HEY , YOU ARE ALL STONES my friend . YOU DO as SHE DO . HOW SO .
YOU ALL SIT UNDER MEN , TRUSTING IN MEN as though they and their doctrine BE GOD .
And none sits under THE CHRIST . and now all them diverse colored stones
DO INDEED come as one to BIG BLACK MOTHER STONE . and have zero idea
they do . I have heard them make cliams against the RCC
and even say a solid truth . THEY SIT UNDER POPES , THEY TRUST IN MEN .
WELL HELLO SO DO THEY . doctrines might differ , BUT THEIR HOPE BE THE SAME .
AND what HOPE IS THAT you might ask . WHY THEIR HOPE BE IN MEN , NOT IN GOD IN CHRIST ALONE .
NOT living by THE WORD but rather by the words of men .

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They do not understand the Holy Scriptures, beginning in Genesis

The scepter shall not depart from Judah,
Nor a lawgiver from between his feet,
Until Shiloh comes;
And to Him shall be the obedience of the people.
Binding his donkey to the vine,
And his donkey’s colt to the choice vine,
He washed his garments in wine,
And his clothes in the blood of grapes.
His eyes are darker than wine,
And his teeth whiter than milk.

David in NJ said:

KEY = The INdwelling of the Holy Spirit upon our hearts is to glorify CHRIST and not the law

When GOD writes His Law on our hearts, HE is writing the Love of and for CHRIST in us.

CHRIST is the Fullness of the Law of GOD

CHRIST is Both, the LORD of the Sabbath and the Place of Sabbath REST

All Ten Commandments are in CHRIST = therefore we keep all Ten in us when we obey CHRIST

SHALOM

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The new covenant was ratified at Calvary, by the blood of Christ. The writer of Hebrews declared that once ratified, as in a final testament, nothing can be changed.
“15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. 18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, 20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. ”
Hebrews 9:15-20 KJV

Once Christ died, the authority to change the law died with Him. The covenant/ new Testament was already ratified and couldn't be changed. Jesus never intended it to be so. Paul didn't have authority to change the Sabbath. Nor did the Jerusalem council. Nor did the Catholic Church in the 4th century when they exalted Sunday to replace the Sabbath. When one ignores the Sabbath and honours Sunday, they place themselves under the presumptive authority of the Vatican, rejecting the authority of the Creator Who established the Sabbath 6000 years ago, and never removed the blessing or sacredness from that holy day.

David in NJ said:

i want to remind you of our past conversations and i call to witness @Angelina

i have always said to you and other SDA adherents that it is WONDERFUL that you gather on saturday = HalelluYAH

FYI, for many years my wife and i also gathered in fellowship unto the Lord Jesus Christ on saturday

However, making saturday observance mandatory as if it was under GOD, is religious deception

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I can't make anything mandatory for anyone, not even my wife, let alone you. Nor can the church. But God can and did. As others have stated before me, the sabbath was made for humanity as a gift. To reject the gift is to reject the Giver and Maker thereof. You make convaluted theological arguments to defend that rejection, when all along the entire debate is really a very simple choice as whose authority are you under. Christ, or yourself?

amigo de christo said:

Command this stone by turned into bread .
IT is written that man shall not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD of GOD .
Yet many live by the words of men and their doctrines , and beleive me when i say
their doctrines do and will twist and omit words of GOD and of CHRIST .
Easy is the solution . SIMPLE is the solution .
IF any desires to see whether what man says be true , be of GOD
THEN OPEN BIBLE and LEARN BIBLE for yourself . YOU SEE who ye follow . IS IT MEN , OR GOD
is it antother jesus or IS IT JESUS . MY WORDS SHALL BE YOUR JUDGE on the last day .
NOtice its HIS WORDS .
HE did not say , the words of your scholars , their greek , their hermes , their doctrines
will be YOUR JUDGE . NO , didnt hear that .
HE SAID MY WORDS shall be your judge .

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Couldn't agree with you more. The time is coming soon when you will be put to the test on that. Whose authority are you submitted to? To whom does your heart belong? Do our lives really meet with God's approval, or are we mis-using God's own words to justify our reluctance to fully surrender?

Brakelite said:

I can't make anything mandatory for anyone, not even my wife, let alone you. Nor can the church. But God can and did. As others have stated before me, the sabbath was made for humanity as a gift. To reject the gift is to reject the Giver and Maker thereof. You make convaluted theological arguments to defend that rejection, when all along the entire debate is really a very simple choice as whose authority are you under. Christ, or yourself?

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The GIFT of God is Salvation in CHRIST = John 3:16 , Ephesians 2:1-10

God's Intent for 7th Day rest, beginning in Genesis, is to bring us to CHRIST
When the WORD that was GOD became flesh, the 7th Day Came down to earth to dwell amongst us.

CHRIST Alone is the 7th Day of God's REST.

Now that the 7th Day of REST is Fulfilled in CHRIST, there no longer is the requirement under the law to observe saturday.

You FEAR the RCC and the New World Order that would make sunday mandatory.
NEVER be afraid of this as it CANNOT defile anyone who is in CHRIST.

GOD's Desire for you and @LawofLove @WalterandDebbie @Lambano @LoveYeshua and all is to believe only on the LORD Jesus Christ
and to obey His words.
His words are that you earnestly let go of religion and be Baptized in the HOLY SPIRIT = John 14:15-21

Concerning "forced sunday worship" - no big deal to us who are Sanctified in the Blood of Christ and Filled with the Holy Spirit.

Are you FREE in CHRIST???
Listen to this FREEDOM SONG

LoveYeshua said:

On Yes David I do listen to every word Christ left for us, They are present in my heart always.. and I think of Him constantly, like you said He is coming soon, we must be ready and put oil in our lamps.

Blessings Brother.

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Please forgive me if i ever spoke 'out-of-Place'

As you know, my wife and i love the Jewish people and the rabbis that come to our house.
Our prayer is that the lead rabbi, Asher, along with his wife Sarah come to know their MESSIAH.

Whatever day of the week people gather together to seek the LORD, is from God to them.
i have no say over that, nor do i seek to sway people away from gathering on saturday.

My only discussion here is that MESSIAH is SHILOH = as prophesied by Jacob in Genesis chapter 49

Shiloh was a place that was very special to them at that time = it speaks of MESSIAH

Shiloh means: "Peace and REST"

SHALOM

For what its worth and hopefully worth considering...

I know its a popular teaching that Jesus is our rest, Jesus is the law so therefore no need to do what He asks, but is it actually in our Bibles.

This is Jesus own words....

Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

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Jesus never once said He is the Sabbath- He said He is LORD of the Sabbath- big difference. He is our Creator Exo20:11Col1:16 not the creation,

God said the Sabbath is something man does:

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
and the son of man who holds it fast,
who keeps the Sabbath, not profaning it,
and keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

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God never gave Himself commandments to keep, they are to keep for those who love Him

Exo20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

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Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who [a]do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

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We are called to be doers of God's Word. This should be our only response of faith and love to our Savior.

James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.

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Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

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So the idea that the law is not for us to do but for Christ to do while it sounds good, its not Biblical.

Mat5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

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Jesus told us there are choices we can do on the Sabbath....

Mark 3: 4 Then He said to them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?” But they kept silent

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We can do good (keeping the Sabbath day holy- being doers of His word) or doing evil- profaning the Sabbath Neh17:13 Isa56:2

Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath, not the abolisher of the Sabbath. All He wants is to spend sacred time with us on the day He set aside to do so. Its a sign of His sanctification Eze20:12 because we can't make ourselves holy Isa66:17 we need God Eze20:20

LawofLove said:

Not according to Jesus. Mat19:17-19 Mat5:17-30 Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14 or the apostles Rom7:7 Luke23:56 Rom2:21-23 1Cor7:19 Rev 11:19 Rev 14:12 Rev22:14-15 Eph6:2

613 is an unbiblical number- this is the number God gave:

Not 613, not 9 but Ten.



And after God spoke them and wrote them He added no more



Its the only Law that is under God's mercy seat that His blood atones for and is in heaven Rev11:19. Its the Testimony of God Exo31:18 and Jesus who is God said when we lay aside the commandment of God for man-made commandments - He could not condemn this practice more.

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And all you are doing is quoting what god directed at Israel and not to the church or gentiles! Once again you reject that god absolutely said the commandments were for Israel and all prosylytes to Judaism.

Exodus 19:3-6

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3 And Moses went up unto God, and the Lord called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

The Apostle Paul explains that the Law served as a "guardian" until Christ came (Galatians 3:24-25): "So the Law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Of the ten written in stone, nine are found in the commands to the church-The Sabbath Day is not one of them