Eveybody starts the same place

WHO ME · Jul 18, 2026

2 peter 2:20-22

Everybody starts out in the same place as unbelievers....

20) once they have escaped the pollutions of the world (only 1 way to do this)

Through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
(This is that way) (believer now)

Then they are entangled Again
Then overcome back to thier old life before they were saved.....

The Latter is worst than the begining
So now the fallin believer is Worst off than when they were an unbeliever going to hell.

21) it was better to Not know the way of righteousness then to have Known it and turn away (cause now their worst off than the unbeliever)

22) the dog and pig have turned back to their old ways (notice God refers to the fallin believer as a dog and pig)

So how are they worst off you ask?

Luke 12:42-48

42-44)Whose a good and faithful servant one who when the lord comes (rapture) and find him doing his will as a servant, he is rewarded
45) BUT AND IF that servant (same servant as v42-44) decides to fall back into his old life (pollutions) thinking his lord is delayed he beats and drinks (hes overcome again)
40&46) his lord comes (rapture) on a day he isnt looking for him and the servant is cut asunder and (Now) appoints him with the unbelievers....

Here comes the worst off ready?

47) the one who knew his lords will (FALLIN BELIEVER) and wasnt ready is beatin with MANY BEATINGS

48) and the one that didnt know (UNBELIEVER) is beat with a FEW BEATINGS....

So the man who is overcome back into the pollutions of the world is Worst off... then at the begining (2peter 2:20)

40)be ye ready also for the Son of Man cometh at an hour when you think not...

Jesus came to rapture the believer and he can either stay the course doing Gods will or works..... or fall away into his old life LOSING HIS SALVATION...

Jesus can come as a friend and savior to those who are doing Gods will (works) or as a thief in the night to those who fall back to wilfully sin as theres no more sacrifice for their sins......

Believers have two choices stay doing Gods will or depart back to his old ways... different endings..

Notice there are 3 outcomes that are possible....

1. Believer who stayed the course
2. Believer who fell away
3. Unbeliever

It is not I who falsely teaches the word
Osas is a lie.....

Faith without works is dead....

Ps... remember Jesus (son of man) is coming to rapture the believer.... and the man who fell is cut asunder when he is left with the unbelievers.... (5 unwise virgins)

Osas'ers are always learning but never coming to the truth...

Till next time when I come with another osas is a lie verse...

WHO ME · Jul 18, 2026

V40 jesus is warning Believers to be ready

The warning coming as a thief in the night isnt for unbelievers but believers...

Problem with this osas teaching is this:
Once I believed osas and when I had fallen away back to my old life as some of you, I said: well maybe I wont have as big of house or as much honor (whatever it may be) but I'll still be in heaven.... boy was I wrong...

Your osas teaching is gonna cost some believers that outcome WHOA TO YOU for that teaching.... eph 2:8 is by faith But as I said before AFTER THAT is when works comes into play......

WHO ME · Jul 18, 2026

Think about it....2peter2:21 God is telling you if your gonna fall away its better to not even become a believer and just go to hell....

WHO ME · Jul 18, 2026

An interesting thing about a dog and pig being fallen believers is that at the church where the toronto blessing happened with the demonic holy laughter the demons were having the people bark like a dog and snort like pigs.... see the demons knew these people were lost and fallen away....

Till next time......

WHO ME · Jul 26, 2026

Romans 11:17-22

17) some of the natural (isrealites) branches were broken off so that gentiles could be grafted in.
18) gentiles boast not against the root (God).
20) because of unbelief the natural branches were broken off.
21) if God spared not the isrealites take heed lest he ALSO NOT SPARE GENTILES
22) IF you continue in His goodness OTHERWISE THOU ALSO SHALL BE CUTOFF (for unbelief)

This shows gentile believers can fall into unbelief and will be cutoff losing your salavtion.....

In hebrews these people have fallin into unbelief and they are believers...

Hebrews 6:4-6
1. They have tasted the heavenly gift and where made Partakers of the Holy Spirit
2. It is impossble for if they shall Fall away to
3. Renew them Again to repentence
4. Because they would have to have Christ die on the cross a second time for just them

The greek word for partakers is METOCHOS
is also used in Luke 5:7 as partners describing simons fishing partners in another boat...

These people would again need to be brought to repentance (a second time) and then have Christ crucified (a second time) as a sacrifice for their sins... and this is impossible... so this shows if a believer falls into unbelief they are out of any chance to come back to Christ and salvation again.

Everyone has a chance to be saved since Jesus died for the whole world.... but if you fall into unbelief you dont get the chance to come back.... your done and now appointed with the unbelievers....

Believers are warned in Hebrews 3:12 to take heed brethern lest there be Any of You who have an evil heart of unbelief And DEPART FROM THE LIVING GOD.

Heb 4:11again to believers - Let us labor therefore Lest any man FALL AFTER THE SAME EXAMPLE OF UNBELIEF (as during the Exodus)

Clearly a believer can fall into unbelief and lose their salvation because its impossible to renew them a second time....

I only once have listened to johnny mac and he said this about hebrews 6:4 trying to make it as if a believer wasnt being spoken of cause he is osas.....

they didnt eat only tasted the Holy Spirit, maybe they were next to someone that the Holy Spirit healed but never came to saving faith...

since he had to have looked up what partakers meant before and found out as in luke that it is used like a partner and certainly the guys in the other boat worked together with simon....

Like if you taste some food.... you dont eat it you just lick it... but thats what he had to do to try and make it into an unbeliever.... but unbelievers Never have been brought to repentance the first time to Again bring them a second time... and if these were unbelievers why oh why would they have to have Jesus recrucified just for them a second time?... they wouldnt... only someone who had became a believer once would need him crucified a 2nd time just for them....

Only a believer is:
1. Enlightened
2. Partakes of the Holy Spirit
3.taste the good word of God
4. And the powers of the world to come (after this life)
5. Been brought to repentance
6. Need Christ to be crucified a 2nd time just for them.....

Again if an unbeliever then they could still believe on The name of Jesus and be saved and not need a 2nd crucifixtion just for them... it would not be impossible for an unbeliever to be saved just like every unbeliever....

WHO ME · Jul 27, 2026

In lukes good and faithful servant there are 3 outcomes

1. Faithful servant - rewards
2. Unbeliever - few beatings
3. Fallen believer - many beatings

How does macarther cover for 3 outcomes?

1. Faithful servant
2. Unbeliever
3. Didnt have saving faith

Thats why he used that unbiblical term.....
Thats how he covers for his osas teaching...

Pretty clever if his sheep accept it

PeterAndroz · Jul 27, 2026

WHO ME said:
In lukes good and faithful servant there are 3 outcomes

1. Faithful servant - rewards
2. Unbeliever - few beatings
3. Fallen believer - many beatings

How does macarther cover for 3 outcomes?

1. Faithful servant
2. Unbeliever
3. Didnt have saving faith

Thats why he used that unbiblical term.....
Thats how he covers for his osas teaching...

Pretty clever if his sheep accept it

No confusion.
Christ through Paul taught how believers today are saved and how their post-saved life is judged.
Would you like the verses ?

WHO ME · Jul 27, 2026

Luke 12:42-48

42-44)Whose a good and faithful servant one who when the lord comes (rapture) and find him doing his will as a servant, he is rewarded
45) BUT AND IF that servant (same servant as v42-44) decides to fall back into his old life (pollutions) thinking his lord is delayed he beats and drinks (hes overcome again)
40&46) his lord comes (rapture) on a day he isnt looking for him and the servant is cut asunder and (Now) appoints him with the unbelievers....

Forget the whole post just show me where the above verses are wrong if not the same servant

WHO ME · Jul 27, 2026

PeterAndroz said:
No confusion.
Christ through Paul taught how believers today are saved and how their post-saved life is judged.
Would you like the verses ?

So there are 3 outcomes... since 42-44 is the same servant as v45 your saying he gets many beatings for his post saved life? Only a believer could know to do Gods will or be expected to do Gods will and he gets many beatings.....

PeterAndroz · Jul 27, 2026

WHO ME said:
So there are 3 outcomes... since 42-44 is the same servant as v45 your saying he gets many beatings for his post saved life? Only a believer could know to do Gods will or be expected to do Gods will and he gets many beatings.....

Luke 12:42-44 is the rapture that Paul teaches in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 ?

WHO ME · Jul 27, 2026

PeterAndroz said:
Luke 12:42-44 is the rapture that Paul teaches in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-53?

My statement is that the servant in 42-44 is the same servant in 45.... one who stays the course is rewarded but IF he falls away he is appointed with the unbelievers... showing osas isnt true

stevesonthebay · Jul 27, 2026

WHO ME said:
2 peter 2:20-22

Everybody starts out in the same place as unbelievers....

20) once they have escaped the pollutions of the world (only 1 way to do this)

Through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ
(This is that way) (believer now)

Then they are entangled Again
Then overcome back to thier old life before they were saved.....

The Latter is worst than the begining
So now the fallin believer is Worst off than when they were an unbeliever going to hell.

21) it was better to Not know the way of righteousness then to have Known it and turn away (cause now their worst off than the unbeliever)

22) the dog and pig have turned back to their old ways (notice God refers to the fallin believer as a dog and pig)

So how are they worst off you ask?

Luke 12:42-48

42-44)Whose a good and faithful servant one who when the lord comes (rapture) and find him doing his will as a servant, he is rewarded
45) BUT AND IF that servant (same servant as v42-44) decides to fall back into his old life (pollutions) thinking his lord is delayed he beats and drinks (hes overcome again)
40&46) his lord comes (rapture) on a day he isnt looking for him and the servant is cut asunder and (Now) appoints him with the unbelievers....

Here comes the worst off ready?

47) the one who knew his lords will (FALLIN BELIEVER) and wasnt ready is beatin with MANY BEATINGS

48) and the one that didnt know (UNBELIEVER) is beat with a FEW BEATINGS....

So the man who is overcome back into the pollutions of the world is Worst off... then at the begining (2peter 2:20)

40)be ye ready also for the Son of Man cometh at an hour when you think not...

Jesus came to rapture the believer and he can either stay the course doing Gods will or works..... or fall away into his old life LOSING HIS SALVATION...

Jesus can come as a friend and savior to those who are doing Gods will (works) or as a thief in the night to those who fall back to wilfully sin as theres no more sacrifice for their sins......

Believers have two choices stay doing Gods will or depart back to his old ways... different endings..

Notice there are 3 outcomes that are possible....

1. Believer who stayed the course
2. Believer who fell away
3. Unbeliever

It is not I who falsely teaches the word
Osas is a lie.....

Faith without works is dead....

Ps... remember Jesus (son of man) is coming to rapture the believer.... and the man who fell is cut asunder when he is left with the unbelievers.... (5 unwise virgins)

Osas'ers are always learning but never coming to the truth...

Till next time when I come with another osas is a lie verse...

This reminds me of The Parable of the Sower. Matthew 13.

There is also the prodigal son who left his fathers house and after going out in the world came back repentent and sorry. This made him realise more fully how good his father was.

I think there are many prodigal Christians who have become lost in the world and God is calling them back home. Reproving their faith so they be stronger Christians in the coming times where a Christian will need to be strong as the world hates you more. This is the same as what happened after Christ where the world they lived in hated and persecuted them. It has come full circle.

PeterAndroz · Jul 27, 2026

WHO ME said:
My statement is that the servant in 42-44 is the same servant in 45.... one who stays the course is rewarded but IF he falls away he is appointed with the unbelievers... showing osas isnt true

Luke is not Apostle, Minister or teacher to believers today.
That role is uniquely given by Christ to Paul - Acts 9:15, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16
Rewards given by Christ for believers 'today' are taught by Paul in Rom 14:10, 1 Cor 3:10-15, 2 Cor 5:6-10

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