#18
WHO ME said:
Justification is the declaration of God, the righteous judge, that the man who believes in Christ, sinful though he may be, is viewed as being righteous, because through Christ he has come into a righteous relationship with God,
Ephesians 2:8-9
By (Gods) grace we are Saved through our Faith 9) and not of works.
James 2:24
You see then how by WORKS a man is JUSTIFIED and NOT BY FAITH ONLY....
So which is it since Ephesians says not of works and James says with Works?
These 2 verses are talking about 2 different things, Ephesians is talking about when we as unbelievers become believers by believing on Jesus's name and are saved, While James is talking about our walk AFTER that.....
James 2:26 says:
The Body without the Spirit is Dead
is the same as:
Faith without Works is Dead
(Faith w/o works is no different than an unbeliever without the Spirit - Dead
In verse 2:14 James ask what does it profit a man who has only Faith but No Works? Can FAITH (ALONE) SAVE HIM?
until you learn to seperate
Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by Grace we are Saved through Faith 9) Not of Works"
FROM -----------------------------------------------FROM
James 2:20 "but will thou know O VAIN MAN that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD
You will never come to the truth....
James 2:21-22
was not Abraham justified by Works
22) seest that how FAITH wrought with his WORKS, and by WORKS was FAITH MADE PERFECT?
2:25 was not rahab justified by works
Think about it like this:
FAITH (which you already have as a believer becomes) DEAD without WORKS (which happens AFTER your saved by Faith)
James 1:22 be ye Doers (works) of the word and Not only hearers of the word Deceiving yourselfs.
Osas is a false teaching making you false teachers or as Taken loves to say baby christians but I'll stick with false teachers
When Paul was talking to jews who had came out from under the law and become believers and then jews under the law were telling them they couldnt be save without the law Paul says:
Galatians 5:1-4
1) Stand fast in the liberty where Christ has MADE YOU FREE and become not entangled AGAIN in bondage.
2) that if you are circumcised (under the law) Christ shall profit you nothing
4) Christ has become of no effect to you, if you go back under the law - you have Fallen From Grace
So we see if these new believers go back under the law they've lost the grace which saved and justified them and will lose their salvation....
James 2:17 even so Faith if it has no Works is Dead being alone....
The believer must have works after he is saved by Faith or his Faith becomes Dead
Remember its Gods Grace THROUGH Your Faith that saves you... what do you think happens if that faith being alive that saved you becomes Dead?
JUSTIFIED REPLYS:
You’ve missed an important bit of information: there is more than one definition of “justified.”
dikaioō
Thayer Definition:
1) to render righteous or such he ought to be
2) to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3) to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be
Paul and James are using two different meanings. James uses meaning 2 to say that works are evidence of having been declared righteous, but they don’t make a person righteous. His point is that if a person has no good works, it is evidence that they are not righteous, not saved; their faith is a dead faith END OF JUSTIFIEDS POST
WHO ME REPLYS:
lets try thus from your post above:
1 verse at a time again... somehow I was talking galatians 5:1-4 and you were eph 2:8..
Let me start with James above...
Are you saying that in James, that those whose faith is dead from no works are unbelievers - not saved?
